Brazil's Internet Regulations President says Online gaming ''wastes too much internet"

[RicHaj]

Hey there everyone! 

Right out of the gate, to give y'all context, this is coming as a follow up to another thread i did in another sub forum: 

 

Here is the Link to the news: 

http://jogos.uol.com.br/ultimas-noticias/2016/04/19/gente-que-joga-online-gasta-muita-internet-critica-presidente-da-anatel.htm?cmpid=tw-uol

 

Here is my full translation of the news ( Im a portuguese Native speaker, i'll translate the text the best way possible to keep it to it's original context and give it a proper interpretation into english )

 

"The President of the National Telecomunications agency ( ANATEL ), Joao Rezende, spoke in a press conference regarding the potential extra charges for Wired broadband connections and criticize the users that play Online Games. "Some people love it, they play all the time and this wastes a large band volume" (Note from me: He actually meant ''Large Band Volume" ) Rezende said, affirming that these users harm those that use the less internet. ( note from me: It is actually phrased as ''use less Internet'' not ''Use the internet less" )

"It is evident that there must be some form of balance, if not, we will have the consumer that consumes less paying for those that are consuming more. It's this matter of Marketing, of the unlimited and the infinite which is a business practice that lead the user to be unaccostumed with it" Declared the president of Anatel.

( Context : What he means is that in his words and view, by Having the standard being Unlimited Internet Data caps for many years, users don't regulate themselves and use it too much ( with stuff like gaming ) thus overloading the pipelines which harm the casual and light-use users )

ANATEL's POSITION:

Anatel has positioned itsel in favor of the decision of some of the Major telecomunnication operators to adopt a Data Cap system for Broadband wired internet connection. In these systems, the user that exceeds the Pre-determined values would have to pay extra or have it's internet speed reduced or even cut off entirely. For the Agency, this business model does not go against regulamentations.

Even though it agrees with the operators, Anatel has forbidden the cutting of Internet Services and the Reduction of internet speeds and the Adittional charges for the next 90 Days. The Agency demands that all Operators (service Providers)  must be able to clearly communicate to their users regarding their data package, how much it was used and how, before imposing any restrictions."

 

So, i'm not deeply versed into the Tech side of Networking, but this reads like a huge pile of BS to me... and this is the ''Top Dog'' regarding internet regulation in Brazil... so you can imagine how things are around here. 

[Kherm]

Un - Fucking - Believable 

[Samfisher]

Uh, 2 Youtube videos in HD would use more data than a whole day playing MMO's.

[RicHaj]

2 minutes ago, Samfisher said:

Uh, 2 Youtube videos in HD would use more data than a whole day playing MMO's.

I would love to be able to locate hard data on that, just to actually have a real comparison on how much data Online games actually consume

[Arc_Jester]

It's sounds like they are looking for a way to trottle your internet speeds and blaming gaming for it which, as Samfisher said, doesn't even use as much bandwidth as a simple youtube video.

[Sir Asvald]

Huh? Issue with your network? Then increase the load capacity and the bandwidth. It's like having 10 people in a 2 seater car.

[Samfisher]

3 minutes ago, RicHaj said:

I would love to be able to locate hard data on that, just to actually have a real comparison on how much data Online games actually consume

I used to record my data usage during WoW raids, and I used to work at a game publisher and had to do bandwidth tests for any new game we were thinking of publishing.  At most downloads and uploads never exceeded 25KBps.  More realistically, 7-15KBps is the norm.

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, RicHaj said:

I would love to be able to locate hard data on that, just to actually have a real comparison on how much data Online games actually consume

try Capsa (free): http://www.colasoft.com/capsa-free/

 

[vanished]

wow, that's a whole new level of stupid right there  

[SImoHayha]

Good old corrupted politics.

 

" GAMES ARE THE ISSUES "

 What ? Then why not provide a interent line for unlimited data for gamers or something ?

[Schony125]

hahahaha what a retard. Internet is wasted by gamers because u know people that watch 360p porn cant do it without getting more than 20 sec at the time trough the video or watching cat pictures takes ages.

these people get me so angry  bad luck man.

 

ps. proud owner of true 1Gbps connection

[Dabombinable]

19 minutes ago, RicHaj said:

I would love to be able to locate hard data on that, just to actually have a real comparison on how much data Online games actually consume

Playing world of tanks on Telstra prepaid 4G (expensive AF), 89MB used over the course of a 12 hour period. 1x 15 minute 480p youtube video=far more data used than that.

17 minutes ago, Samfisher said:

I used to record my data usage during WoW raids, and I used to work at a game publisher and had to do bandwidth tests for any new game we were thinking of publishing.  At most downloads and uploads never exceeded 25KBps.  More realistically, 7-15KBps is the norm.

AKA they can be played on dialup (played not updated *shudders*).

[vanished]

I love this quote:

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Some people love it, they play all the time and this wastes a large band volume

I mean, could you admit more blatantly that you view the happiness of your citizens as a "waste"?  Just sad...

[Xorbot]

22 minutes ago, RicHaj said:

I would love to be able to locate hard data on that, just to actually have a real comparison on how much data Online games actually consume

Yes, the hard data would be good to have if someone can please post it.

 

However, I remember having to ration and manage my bandwidth back in 2010 when I had a very low monthly limit.  The measurement was that an evening of WoW clocked-in at about 50 MB of usage.  A single HD YouTube video trumps that easily.

[Fetzie]

22 minutes ago, RicHaj said:

I would love to be able to locate hard data on that, just to actually have a real comparison on how much data Online games actually consume

Back when I played WoW it moved approximately 25 MB per day (downstream and upstream combined). Uploading the combat logs from a night of raiding to WorldOfLogs.com caused a higher bandwidth (about 60-80MB) :).

[SurvivorNVL]

Well, I can't expect any less from Brazil.

[Technous285]

Recently my dad had to upgrade his net from 40GB/month to 100GB/month (no time splitting) for an extra $10/month on the bills ($59.90AUD -> $69.90AUD inc. $29.95 landline), because he's regularly been hitting or even exceeding the 40GB/month cap just watching videos on YT and downloading the occasional Linux distro ISO to see if they work on his Skylake rig. He does NOT play online games.

I'm an online gamer with 300GB/month (150GB/month Peak & 150GB/month Off-Peak, $89.90AUD inc $29.95 landline) and the largest amount of data I use is YT/Netflix/Crunchyroll videos, downloading the games proper (I've burnt through like 90GB this month alone downloading DCUO on PS4 twice (one was a corrupted install) and PC once) and PATCHING the games, since even online games use a tiny fraction of my data cap to sync between servers and system - heck SKYPE uses more data during a group call than STO or DCUO does when I'm playing.

 

So yeah, "online gamers" do NOT use more data than "video watchers" during a play/video session. On the flipside they do have to use more data to GET the game on their system in the first place, but that's like having to download and buffer the damn video before playing it.

[Nowak]

You can waste an infinite resource? Huh.

[Dabombinable]

1 minute ago, Daring said:

You can waste an infinite resource? Huh.

Thumbs up should become good point again.

[NateGSR117]

well then, can I call BS on that? I want to see some hard data from the Brazil president so we can shit on him. 

[NoobsWeStand]

2 minutes ago, Daring said:

You can waste an infinite resource? Huh.

Internet bandwidth is mined from the deepest parts of the earth. It used to be just lying around everywhere, so much so that people could find internet in their backyards and become millionaires overnight. We even drill in the oceans, and every once in awhile there will be a dank meme spill by BP.

[That Norwegian Guy]

I had to use my phone's 4G when it was limited to 20 kbps to play Rocket League last time my cable went out, and I could play just fine all day, at the end of which I had used 33 MB.

 

Thirty. Three. Megabytes.

 

This is another case of a moron getting to a mountain tall enough to scream idiocy so everyone hears it.

[Sauron]

As opposed to all the good porn he could be watching on state money.

[Dabombinable]

1 minute ago, That Norwegian Guy said:

I had to use my phone's 4G when it was limited to 20 kbps to play Rocket League last time my cable went out, and I could play just fine all day, at the end of which I had used 33 MB.

 

Thirty. Three. Megabytes.

 

This is another case of a moron getting to a mountain tall enough to scream idiocy so everyone hears it.

I think that playing most online games these days, those that do almost everything server side to save bandwidth and reduce cheating, would be hard pressed to use a 15GB mobile internet plan if they were played 24/7 (that's disregarding updates).

[PlayStation 2]

What a fucking joke.

I know for a damn fact that an hour of Spotify would murder your internet much harder than a full day of Team Fortress 2 would.