Rumored Price of RTX 4070 starting at 750 USD

[starsmine]

Summary

Leaked pricing and Embargo dates for Nividia upcoming RTX 4070 cards have surfaced with a MSRP of 750 USD and 800+ for many AIB, with two embargo dates, one for the reference the day before launch, and one for 90% of AIB cards the day of launch on April 13th

 

Quotes

Quote

 

The rumor states that for the reviews dropping on the 12th of April, NVIDIA has told AIBs that they can only include cards that don't cost more than $749.99 US.

This is just $50 US lower than the MSRP of the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti graphics card. As for the premium models, it is reported that those variants might end up close to $799 US which is 4070 Ti's MSRP. This would mean that the RTX 4070 would end up $250 US higher than the RTX 3070, a 50% price bump over its predecessor. Now nothing is set in stone and these prices can change since we are still around a month away from launch.

 

My thoughts

For a card that is 75% the performance of a 4070ti, or at BEST a 3080, the price just seems out of this world, when a 7900XT, a card faster then the 4070ti can be found right now for 820 USD and refurbished 3080s can be found at 650 USD. Nvidia has lost their mind. These are the lowest binned AD 104 dies, as in the chips nvidia should just be happy they get any money out of at all. It is so weird to see the value stack of the entire line up so far be inversed with the 4090 being the only card that has a decent price/performance ratio and getting worse as you go down. the xx70 line used to be second to the xx60 for price performance and now its the worst of the lot. 

The duel embargo dates are kinda odd, but not that outside of the norm.
I honestly never would have guessed they would have gone OVER 700 for the base MSRP

 

Sources

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-allegedly-starts-at-749-us-price-custom-models-with-prices-close-to-4070-ti-msrp/
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-splits-geforce-rtx-4070-review-embargo-to-msrp-and-non-msrp-cards

For transparency, some of the info coming from MLID for the sources above.

[jaslion]

750 for a 70 series card wtf.

 

Its insane how they've been expecting us to pay the same price or more for the same performance we could gr in 2020

 

I hope it crashes and burns asap as stock is rotting away on shelves here

[porina]

Those who think the 4070 Ti didn't have enough memory bandwidth should love this then, since it looks like the same memory subsystem but with less core resource. Perf level might be ball park comparable to a 3080 which is about where it should be.

 

The MSRP being $50 less than the Ti is more concerning. Cheapest 4070 Ti from Newegg right now is at MSRP of $799. 7900XT is $830, below MSRP of $899, with the XTX at MSRP around $999. Reason for bringing up the AMD offerings is the MSRP gap didn't make sense either. In practice, as seen here, the street price gap is bigger so it kinda makes some sense now. I wonder if this 4070 does get the claimed MSRP, if street will diverge relative to the Ti. Note that doesn't necessarily mean the 4070 going down, it could equally mean the TI going up.

[HenrySalayne]

22 hours ago, porina said:

Those who think the 4070 Ti didn't have enough memory bandwidth should love this then, since it looks like the same memory subsystem but with less core resource. Perf level might be ball park comparable to a 3080 which is about where it should be.

I'd imagine it would scale even worse than a 4070 TI or 3090 TI with higher resolutions.

22 hours ago, porina said:

The MSRP being $50 less than the Ti is more concerning. Cheapest 4070 Ti from Newegg right now is at MSRP of $799. 7900XT is $830, below MSRP of $899, with the XTX at MSRP around $999. Reason for bringing up the AMD offerings is the MSRP gap didn't make sense either. In practice, as seen here, the street price gap is bigger so it kinda makes some sense now. I wonder if this 4070 does get the claimed MSRP, if street will diverge relative to the Ti. Note that doesn't necessarily mean the 4070 going down, it could equally mean the TI going up.

European pricing is also all over the place:

4090 ~ 1900€ - MSRP was 1949€ (dropped to 1819€ recently)

4080 ~ 1300€ - MSRP was 1469€ (dropped to 1369€ recently)

4070 TI ~ 900€ - MSRP was announced to be 1099€ for the 4080 12GB (hilarious) but was dropped to 899€ shortly before launch

7900XT ~ 850€- MSRP was 1049€ (dropped to 849€ recently)

7900XTX ~ 1150€ - MSRP was 1149€ (is now 1179€ on AMD's website ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but 1126.94€ in their store)

 

So it seems like the market price is on a downward trend expect for the 7900XTX. And the price span increased for Nvidia and AMD. While the 4070 TI - 4080 - 4090 stack was roughly 30% more money for 30% more performance, it has turned to 45% more money for 30% more performance. On AMD's side the 7900XT dropped almost 20% and is now 26% instead of 9% cheaper than its bigger brother.

All in all this "leaked" price might just be outdated. I suspect the MSRP to be $100 or 100€ below the the 4070 TI. Which is probably further corrected by the market.

[Heliian]

Oops, guess they're not paying attention to what year it's and what the market is doing.  Might as well sell the 4070 for 2500$ because only people who want to waste money are going to buy that ish. 

[starsmine]

 

2 hours ago, HenrySalayne said:

All in all this "leaked" price might just be outdated. I suspect the MSRP to be $100 or 100€ below the the 4070 TI. Which is probably further corrected by the market.

yea we are still a month out. the 750 price may be correct today, but hard to say in a month. 

[Senzelian]

AMD doesn't even need to release a 7800XT to compete with this. 

[da na]

I have a framed magazine ad from 2007 for the ATI Radeon 4870 X2. I like to look at it when I read something like this thread.

It cost $549. For two cards on one board in CrossFire. That's basically like having two 4080s in SLI on the same board, by today's terms. 

 

$549. 

[HenrySalayne]

1 hour ago, starsmine said:

yea we are still a month out. the 750 price may be correct today, but hard to say in a month. 

No, not even today.

I mean the 4070 TI is $800, so you save only 6% if you choose the $750 RTX 4070, but it has 23% fewer shading units. It's probably clocked a little bit higher, but since the 4070 TI hits already 2.5 GHz, I don't expect much. I suspect it to be 15% to 20% slower than the 4070 TI. From the performance perspective it should launch with an MSRP in the range from $600 to $680.

But there is one big problem: a 4070 costs exactly as much to manufacture as a 4070 TI. So I think they will price it to be a bad deal ($699) with the tl;dr of every review being "buy a 4070 TI instead".

[jaslion]

52 minutes ago, da na said:

I have a framed magazine ad from 2007 for the ATI Radeon 4870 X2. I like to look at it when I read something like this thread.

It cost $549. For two cards on one board in CrossFire. That's basically like having two 4080s in SLI on the same board, by today's terms. 

 

$549. 

And adjusted for inflation it's 796.56$

 

So 2 slightly slower 4080's for 796.56$ not a bad deal tbh. But instead we get a single 4070 thats probably just going to be a rtx 3080.

[Brooksie359]

3 hours ago, starsmine said:

 

yea we are still a month out. the 750 price may be correct today, but hard to say in a month. 

Not going to lie I would doubt nvidia would price the 4070 so close to the ti. I trust this leak as much as I trust Tesla reaching full self driving in the next year or so. 

[SolarNova]

And yet, despite this MASSIVE ripoff pricing, there will be PLENTY of people, without principals with 'different' principals, who will just say "fk it" and buy it anyway , they should also by a soothing ointment from their proctologist while they are at ...though they're probably used it by now.

[Ripred]

if its $400 ill buy it

[Holmes108]

2 minutes ago, Ripred said:

if its $400 ill buy it

 

If it's $400 Canadian, I'll buy it! 

 

.....Which means I definitely won't be buying it.

[Ripred]

1 minute ago, Holmes108 said:

 

If it's $400 Canadian, I'll buy it! 

 

.....Which means I definitely won't be buying it.

Shit if its $400 Canadian ill definitely buy it, Ha ill buy two and sell one at home   

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

On 3/15/2023 at 9:19 AM, starsmine said:

Summary

Leaked pricing and Embargo dates for Nividia upcoming RTX 4070 cards have surfaced with a MSRP of 750 USD and 800+ for many AIB, with two embargo dates, one for the reference the day before launch, and one for 90% of AIB cards the day of launch on April 13th

 

On one hand, this is Nvidia, so I wouldn't put anything past them. On the other hand, there is NO WAYYYYY this card will be $750. That would make ZERO sense, even for Nvidia. I think the price will be max $650. This card is going to be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy slower than the 4070ti.

[Zodiark1593]

Nvidia has pretty much moved to “No Mercy” mode. 

[dizmo]

17 hours ago, Heliian said:

Oops, guess they're not paying attention to what year it's and what the market is doing.  Might as well sell the 4070 for 2500$ because only people who want to waste money are going to buy that ish. 

It'll sell, and it'll sell well. Far more than they need to justify the price increase. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn't living in reality. 

14 hours ago, da na said:

I have a framed magazine ad from 2007 for the ATI Radeon 4870 X2. I like to look at it when I read something like this thread.

It cost $549. For two cards on one board in CrossFire. That's basically like having two 4080s in SLI on the same board, by today's terms. 

 

$549. 

That was also 16 years ago. That's a long time, and simple inflation calculations do not account for every increase in cost. 

12 hours ago, SolarNova said:

And yet, despite this MASSIVE ripoff pricing, there will be PLENTY of people without principals who will just say "fk it" and buy it anyway , they should also by a soothing ointment from their proctologist while they are at ...though they're probably used it by now.

It doesn't really have anything to do with principles. What an entitled way to look at it. Some people prefer the feature set, and to them, it's worth the price. 

[HenrySalayne]

14 hours ago, SolarNova said:

And yet, despite this MASSIVE ripoff pricing, there will be PLENTY of people without principals who will just say "fk it" and buy it anyway , they should also by a soothing ointment from their proctologist while they are at ...though they're probably used it by now.

And if you need / want a GPU, what are you supposed to do? A 3080 10GB is 800€, a 15% faster 4070 TI 12GB is 900€. A 3080 12GB is around 950€ (more expensive than a 4070 TI) and has 12% less performance. People were spending 4090 money on a 3080 two years ago during the GPU shortage.

The 40 series being as expensive as they are means, we don't get the benefit of discounted previous gen products; yet, the 40 series is still price competitive. There are no good and bad products in Nvidia's product stack (in the term of better value for your money).

Intel has nothing to offer in this range. AMD has the 7900XT (non second X) for 850€, which is 10% faster than the 4070 TI in conventional rendering. That's a good deal and you should take it - except ...

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

It doesn't really have anything to do with principles. What an entitled way to look at it. Some people prefer the feature set, and to them, it's worth the price. 

... if you need / want something like DLSS, NVENC, Raytracing, Video Super Resolution or support for CUDA and other software, etc.

 

The prices are still repercussions from the mining- and lockdown-fueled GPU shortage and you shouldn't blame today's costumers for it.

[llanelwy]

i have been waiting for the 4070 or order an new gfx card this price is just silly though. In the uk 4070ti are about £860 cant find any near MSRP of 799.

 

However i can easily find and 7900XT for £799

 

I play at 1440p, It would be nice to have a card that can do ray tracing. so was leaning for nvidia. but now im wondering if i should go AMD. just as nvidia cards here are taking the michael. anyone got any realworld experiance with how the ray tracing is at 1440p with these two cards to help be decide?

[HenrySalayne]

4 minutes ago, llanelwy said:

I play at 1440p, It would be nice to have a card that can do ray tracing. so was leaning for nvidia. but now im wondering if i should go AMD. just as nvidia cards here are taking the michael. anyone got any realworld experiance with how the ray tracing is at 1440p with these two cards to help be decide?

https://www.techspot.com/review/2642-radeon-7900-xt-vs-geforce-rtx-4070-ti/

Both cards can "do raytracing". You have to decide if you want to spend more money on a GPU that's faster in raytracing but slower in conventional rendering. You will get playable framerates even with raytracing enabled on the 7900XT.

[porina]

@llanelwyNo personal experience, but the way I look at it is according to TechPowerUp the Asus 4070 Ti, at 1440p, did 170.5 fps average, compared to 7900 XT's 183.7, or about 8% faster. To me while that is a win for team red, it isn't that useful as fps are high enough already.

 

With RT on it is a bit different. They don't give average fps, presumably because the number of games is far lower and there is more variation between them. Some games are in the low-mid double digits. Overall 7900 XT here is 9% slower, and because fps are low, you'll probably feel it more.

 

BTW Scan have a 4070 Ti at £840 in stock as a write.

[StephanTW]

22 hours ago, HenrySalayne said:

On AMD's side the 7900XT dropped almost 20% and is now 26% instead of 9% cheaper than its bigger brother.

honestly this is why I as european am really considering the xt instead of xtx, but i'll wait a bit longer see xtx might drop a bit or even the xt if this 4070 is close in performance

[AI_Must_Di3]

Nvidia is pissed off, leather jacket robber baron CEO especially, cause they wanted to pull that ridiculous stunt with the 4080 12gb, price and specs wise, and they got caught fleecing big time.They tripped up and didnt make sure they had a excuse that was plausible enough in the barrel, so they had to pull it to not look entirely like monsters. This is part 2 and what this says to the public is were gonna get that money one way or the other. Not that Nvidia doesnt make a good, top of the line product, but there company management and absolute infernal greed makes them hard to defend at all.

[SolarNova]

5 hours ago, dizmo said:

It doesn't really have anything to do with principles. What an entitled way to look at it. Some people prefer the feature set, and to them, it's worth the price.

Entitlement and have principles are two entirely different things.

 

Someone who is entitled tends to act that way across their entire life. being selfish, unappreciative, and blames others for their own issues.

 

Being principled however is to have a set of morals, codes, to ensure things stick to a standard and being ethical. For a 'thing' to stick to an idea or rule of how it works etc.

 

Being principled doesn't mean being entitled, equally so to not be principled doesnt mean being entitled. They are entirely different.

 

Just because a person expects and wants to ensure a thing stays the same as has been proven to work fine in the past, instead of becoming worse for one party and better for another, isnt entitled, its principled. We have over two decades of GPU pricing structure to show that the past few years are anomalous, benefiting the companies at the detriment to the 'average' consumers.