Nvidia has UNDERPRICED the 3080 ti.

[Sat1600]

So everyone is trashing Nvidia for charging too much for the 3080 ti.

 

I do not get this take. YOU ARE NOT GETTING THIS CARD AT MSRP. You  will be lucky to even see an "add to cart button" Nvidia should charge $2000. Leave no margin for scalpers. Put that extra cash into R&D. When the crypto boom is over, we get better cards and they can slash prices.

 

There is actual value from mining. Miners will pay whatever they can if they still make a profit. That is the value of the card. Asking Nvidia to give up that profit,  is insane. You will not benefit from it. The only ones who gain will be scalpers.

 

This goes for AMD and Sony as well. I would much rather the money go into research for next gen cards than into scalper pockets

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, Sat1600 said:

Sony

Dafaq does Sony have to do with this? 

Intel has more in common with and and Nvidia than fucking Sony.

 

 

The 3080ti is too expensive, at 1200$. Aibs will be more than that. There still is a large price gap, at about 1000$.

Not the 3070ti doesn't deserve as much hate as its getting. 100$ more for more cores and g6x instead of g6 is fine by me.

[Dedayog]

Could have just added this "counterpoint" in the already created threads.

 

 

[AndreiArgeanu]

5 minutes ago, Sat1600 said:

Nvidia should charge $2000. Leave no margin for scalpers. Put that extra cash into R&D. When the crypto boom is over, we get better cards and they can slash prices.

I don't think you get how the market works, if the card would retail for 2000$, then scalpers will end up selling the card for more than they used to before.

[Guest]

This is what happens when you hot take, but haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.

[Blademaster91]

What does AMD or Sony have to do with mining? Mining isn't worth doing on the RX 6000 series cards and you can't mine on a PS5.

[emosun]

2 minutes ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

I don't think you get how the market works, if the card would retail for 2000$, then scalpers will end up selling the card for more than they used to before.

I think the idea is they should charge such an absurdly large amount that only people who need them can buy them. 

 

But yeah if the msrp is absurdly high theyll still be bought and resold just way higher. 

[Kronoton]

3 minutes ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

I don't think you get how the market works, if the card would retail for 2000$, then scalpers will end up selling the card for more than they used to before.

 

There is a limit to how the price can go.

 

Supply, demand and $$$ that can be made from mining define that upper limit.

 

NVidia could have put msrp at 300$ would still be scalped to 2-3k.

[Arrogath]

I guess if they priced it absurdly high maybe nobody would buy it. That’s one way to prevent scalping I suppose.

[JP!]

Martin Shkreli fan?

 

JP

[NineEyeRon]

6 minutes ago, forum user said:

This is what happens when you hot take, but haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.

I agree with OP but I also resemble this comment...

[Levent]

9 minutes ago, Kronoton said:

 

There is a limit to how the price can go.

 

Supply, demand and $$$ that can be made from mining define that upper limit.

 

NVidia could have put msrp at 300$ would still be scalped to 2-3k.

Yes, in order to reach to a equilibrium you can increase prices (to calm down demand) but you are completely missing a major point here. Scalping. If MSRP was lower, card wouldnt be scalped as high.

[AndreiArgeanu]

3 minutes ago, Kronoton said:

There is a limit to how the price can go.

 

Supply, demand and $$$ that can be made from mining define that upper limit.

 

NVidia could have put msrp at 300$ would still be scalped to 2-3k.

Yes, but at that rate scalpers will just move on to lower end cards with better price/performance ratio so at this rate you'll end up with an RTX 3060 MSRP rising to 1500$

[Blademaster91]

18 minutes ago, Sat1600 said:

Nvidia should charge $2000. Leave no margin for scalpers. Put that extra cash into R&D. When the crypto boom is over, we get better cards and they can slash prices.

It doesn't matter what Nvidia charges, the MSRP's are pointless as scalpers will sell cards for way more.

And better cards at slashed prices? I seriously doubt that because Nvidia increased prices with the RTX 2000 cards, and kept that pricing with the 3080Ti, a card that costs 70% more than the 3080 but isn't significantly faster than a 3080. I think the higher prices are going to be what Nvidia charges as people are still buying cards even at the stupidly high prices.

[WereCat]

Yes, let's encourage and celebrate higher prices. I'm sure the corporates will gladly cut down the prices once this is all over... It definitely won't lead to even higher prices from scalpers.

[jones177]

I think the price shows restraint in this climate and if I could get them for MSRP I would pick up 2 or 3.

 

Like with cars or anything else I will not pay a penny more than MSRP and if that means going without, so be it.

 

Fortunately I have my 2080 tis and 1080 tis that I bought at or below MSRP to tide me over.

[Chris Pratt]

If anything, you might be able to make an argument that the 3080 is underpriced, but not the 3080 Ti. It's got 5-10% performance over a 3080 at 171% the MSRP. That is insanely bad value, and nothing but a greedy cash grab by Nvidia.

 

[Lurick]

3 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Yes, let's encourage and celebrate higher prices. I'm sure the corporates will gladly cut down the prices once this is all over... It definitely won't lead to even higher prices from scalpers.

corporate man good, make friend he do good for consumer. Money is no friend, he no like money, only happy friendship.

 

/s

 

 

Getting consumers used to higher prices is only going to lead to even higher prices down the road, corporations are only here to make money, not be your friend, not to help you out, etc. but to make money.

[CerealExperimentsLain]

22 minutes ago, Sat1600 said:

Sony

NEW TRINITRON CRTS FOR THE YEAR 2021 CONFIRMED!!!

[Chris Pratt]

5 minutes ago, Lurick said:

corporate man good, make friend he do good for consumer. Money is no friend, he no like money, only happy friendship.

 

/s

 

 

Getting consumers used to higher prices is only going to lead to even higher prices down the road, corporations are only here to make money, not be your friend, not to help you out, etc. but to make money.

Yeah, the ironic thing is Nvidia initially came out the gate with lower than expected MSRP, because they expected AMD to undercut them with much more compelling GPUs this gen. Then, supply and prices went to hell. The 3080 Ti is a return to form for Nvidia: charging way more than what something is worth, just because they can.

[Kronoton]

8 minutes ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

Yes, but at that rate scalpers will just move on to lower end cards

 

The way I see it (not that I really care that much) is that scalper buy anything from a 1080 up at any price as long as they think they can sell it for more.

Anything RTX30x0 is suitable for mining and that what defines the prices and it seems that these card will turn a profit for them until either the market crashes (fingers crossed) or something better comes around (ASIC,RTX4000...).

 

In the end just follow the advice given in the videos OP refers to "don't buy at these prices, it ain't worth it" and as long as you don't run a company that uses these cards for compute reasons there is 0 reason to make fuss about not getting one at a "fair" price.

[12345678]

19 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

Yeah, the ironic thing is Nvidia initially came out the gate with lower than expected MSRP, because they expected AMD to undercut them with much more compelling GPUs this gen. Then, supply and prices went to hell. The 3080 Ti is a return to form for Nvidia: charging way more than what something is worth, just because they can.

same thing happened with the 2000 series

 

with the next series will they keep the same current prices?

 

ok with the rtx 5060 a new geb graphics card will start at 1k usd, the 5070 1.3k, the 5090 3k lol

 

[porina]

I think OP is on the right route, ignoring the number thrown out. The reality we live in is that launch MSRP is unlikely to ever come back. We need to move on from that. No amount of crying is going to change that. You either pay to get it, keep using older gear, or look to the competition for a better solution.

 

IMO the MSRP of still active products should be updated to be more realistic going forward. That doesn't mean the MSRP should be hard on scalper pricing, but more realistic what a reputable retailer could sell at. I think the ideal opportunity was to do that at the same time as the introduction of LHR versions of the older models. Haters gonna hate, saying you get less GPU for more money, but it is a different product regardless and that's an ideal time to adjust pricing to reflect reality.

[Kronoton]

7 minutes ago, porina said:

The reality we live in is that launch MSRP is unlikely to ever come back

Ofcourse it will come back.

 

There will be a time when all the miners try to offload their used and obsolete (for them) cards 2nd hand and if that coincides with a release of a new gen of cards that is no interest to them (crash, ASICs whatever) and doesn't offer that much extra value compared to the used one for games. At that time they will try to push as many cards into retail as they can which will then get sold at low margins (at or just below MSRP) add a strong competition (AMD and maybe even Intel) and MSRPs will go down too.

 

Might be next gen, might be 2 or more out but that time will come.

[Mark Kaine]

24 minutes ago, porina said:

I think OP is on the right route

…

ignoring the number thrown out.

I was thinking that

… 

until i saw the conclusion that that somehow would cut out "scalpers"

…

 

 

Im also definitely baffled at the amount of people "not paying over msrp ever" but paying *under msrp* is somehow totally an ok for them, because?? 

 

Same lack of fundamental misunderstanding how a free market works I guess.

 

 

24 minutes ago, porina said:

The reality we live in is that launch MSRP is unlikely to ever come back. We need to move on from that.

 I mean, depends on the product, but Id mostly agree. As long JIT is a thing - which is a very stupid thing to do in many cases because its strategically unwise and only focused on short term gains, this very likely isnt going to change, although I could definitely see a situation where it does change, difficult to predict, but yeah, people  should also realize msrp is actually just a strategical "suggestion" as the name implies, rather than being the actual worth of a good.