Why is older generation hardware so expensive?

[Wizzl3Dizzle]

I have been looking high and low for a i7 7700k to replace the i5 7600k cause i need the hyperthreading for playing newer games. but everywhere i look they want over 200 for it! its like for 300 to 400 i could buy a 3rd gen ryzen and board.

[Fasauceome]

Intel parts don't come down in price, mostly because people don't really care about the price. Your average non-techie gamer is gonna see that the 7700K is the best CPU for their old B250 motherboard, see that it costs $250, and decide to bite the bullet because "thems the breaks"

 

A lot of consumers won't even compare the product they're buying to other products, simply because it makes the buying decision too complicated.

 

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Wizzl3Dizzle said:

I have been looking high and low for a i7 7700k to replace the i5 7600k cause i need the hyperthreading for playing newer games. but everywhere i look they want over 200 for it! its like for 300 to 400 i could buy a 3rd gen ryzen and board.

Because a 7700K is faster than a Zen 2 still. So it's retained it's value through the years from good IPC and frequency. 

So no, you're still better off getting the 7700K for 200 rather than getting a 3rd Gen Ryzen for 400.

[unsorted]

First released in 2017. This is not old

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97129/intel-core-i7-7700k-processor-8m-cache-up-to-4-50-ghz.html

[Rocketdog2112]

Try buying a i7-990X (circa 2011). They are still bringing $200+.

Even the X58 motherboards are bringing good money.

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Because a 7700K is faster than a Zen 2 still. So it's retained it's value through the years from good IPC and frequency. 

So no, you're still better off getting the 7700K for 200 rather than getting a 3rd Gen Ryzen for 400.

I remember reading that a 7700k and a 3300x were on a level.  At that point the 7700k becomes a better deal because while the 3300x is supposed to be $120 and available in practice it’s neither of those things. 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I remember reading that a 7700k and a 3300x were on a level.  At that point the 7700k becomes a better deal because while the 3300x is supposed to be $120 and available in practice it’s neither of those things. 

Well for number of threads yes. Overclocking = worlds apart. 

7700K, probably set all core 4.8ghz, leave v-core on auto and let it fly. Spank on the 3600X a little bit. 

 

But if you where to spend money today.... Might as well save up and grab a 5600X and just have a faster gaming rig and be done with it. No sense in spending money on this, both platforms became EOL when Zen 3 arrived. 

[Bombastinator]

33 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Well for number of threads yes. Overclocking = worlds apart. 

7700K, probably set all core 4.8ghz, leave v-core on auto and let it fly. Spank on the 3600X a little bit. 

 

But if you where to spend money today.... Might as well save up and grab a 5600X and just have a faster gaming rig and be done with it. No sense in spending money on this, both platforms became EOL when Zen 3 arrived. 

If this was the case, they would be saying the 3300x is on a level with the 7700 not the 7700k.  I don’t know if the comparison includes OC or not.  As for “spanking” a 3300x and a 3600x are about the same speed if only 8 threads are getting used. 

[thrasher_565]

maybe there an conspiracy. maybe when the software seen xxx gpu name it puts up an xxx fps...

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

If this was the case, they would be saying the 3300x is on a level with the 7700 not the 7700k.  I don’t know if the comparison includes OC or not.  As for “spanking” a 3300x and a 3600x are about the same speed if only 8 threads are getting used. 

OK let's say they are comparable. Close enough 5% difference.

*Most games don't scale past 8 threads*

 

Then we buy new board and Cpu. 

And reinstall windows. 

For Similar performance?

Why?

OP would be just fine with a 7700K without going through all the trouble....

 

 

 

 

 

[thrasher_565]

just because the cost of an cpu is x you got to add the total of the full build. cpu,ram,mb cost. add that up then get an fps per dollar. and well if you go older for a neash thing prices go up..... like building the fasted windows 98 pc...

Edited December 19, 2020 by thrasher_565

[aisle9]

2 hours ago, Rocketdog2112 said:

Try buying a i7-990X (circa 2011). They are still bringing $200+...

A Pentium 4 Extreme Edition still goes for $120+. A QX9650 can still bring close to $100. Hell, even just a Q9650 can go for almost $50, while a Pentium G4560 that stomps it in every way goes for the same price. Know why? The best of a line will always bring a huge premium.

 

Case in point: the Pentium 4 661, which runs at 3.6 GHz, can be had for about $20 (still $17 too much, imo). The Q9550 can be had for $25. Both are the second-best chip in their family tree (I think the 661 is, anyway). You're always going to pay a premium for the best because it's the best, and everyone wants the best. They Google "best LGA 775" and that's what they find, and they pay for it. No one searches for the chip that's going to give them 95% of the performance at 50% of the price.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, thrasher_565 said:

just because the cost of an cpu is x you got to add the total of the full build. cpu,ram,mb cost. add that up then get an fps per dollar. and well if you go older for a neash thing prices go up.....

So when you look on E-bay, there is a high demand for the processor because people need more than 4 threads with systems purchased with an i5. They want the i7 upgrade. It's easier and less time and cost consuming yes.

 

[thrasher_565]

2 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

So when you look on E-bay, there is a high demand for the processor because people need more than 4 threads with systems purchased with an i5. They want the i7 upgrade. It's easier and less time and cost consuming yes.

 

well the 1156 4core cpus start at the 6600 and most want to oc so you need the 6600k an that starts at $200 mb 80-$150+ ram $50

Edited December 19, 2020 by thrasher_565

[Guest]

1 minute ago, thrasher_565 said:

well the 1156 4core cpus start at the 6600 and most want to oc so you need the 6600k an that starts at $200

Cause it's fast

[thrasher_565]

2 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Cause it's fast

ya thx that what i have. well there more to the story at one point say the x56 mb uses to be $100 but because of the mining craze everything sold out so people were left with the older stuff and they raised the price to meet the demand. still will cost you like $200-$300 for an x56 build. now of cores the fastest cpu for that socket will cost more just because its the fastest and you tubers are not helping when they make videos on making the fastest pc with this socket...

[dizmo]

You basically just said why. Moving to a new platform costs twice as much. Plus the differences year over year have been small, so there wasn't much need to drop the price too considerably; you were still getting almost-as-good performance.

[D13H4RD]

There's also the fact that there's still adequate demand for them at the commanded prices. 

 

There's no real reason for sellers to lower prices if people are willing to buy them at those prices. 

[LogicalDrm]

Basic supply and demand. Did you think it only applies to retail markets? 7700K is the highest you can go with LGA1151 socket. So anyone looking for easy/cheap upgrade for 2 generations of CPUs is looking at it. And since some who buy i7 (like myself) don't really need all of its power to begin with, they have no interest of upgrading for some 5+ years. Meaning that there aren't many available, people look what others are asking and set their price on that. If items don't move, the price will drop.

 

The asking price here is about the same, €160 which is just under $200.

[whm1974]

12 hours ago, LogicalDrm said:

Basic supply and demand. Did you think it only applies to retail markets? 7700K is the highest you can go with LGA1151 socket. So anyone looking for easy/cheap upgrade for 2 generations of CPUs is looking at it. And since some who buy i7 (like myself) don't really need all of its power to begin with, they have no interest of upgrading for some 5+ years. Meaning that there aren't many available, people look what others are asking and set their price on that. If items don't move, the price will drop.

 

The asking price here is about the same, €160 which is just under $200.

How much a performance increase will the OP get for replacing his 7600 with a 7700K? Personally I doubt there will be enough Jump to even bother.

 

Which games now require at least 8 Threads to even play?

[Action_Johnson]

4 hours ago, whm1974 said:

How much a performance increase will the OP get for replacing his 7600 with a 7700K? Personally I doubt there will be enough Jump to even bother.

 

Which games now require at least 8 Threads to even play?

CP2077? I'm sure the performance change will be noticeable

[Teddy07]

Because people like me are willing to spend the money. I bought this year a used 7700k for 220 € and 4790k for 175 €. It is way less hassle to just switch the cpu. The price is also much less when selling your old cpu

 

No need to spend more on a Ryzen build when the old stuff does the job as well for cheaper. I can buy a new system in a few years instead of upgrading ryzen

[We Didnt_t start_the_fire]

21 hours ago, Wizzl3Dizzle said:

I have been looking high and low for a i7 7700k to replace the i5 7600k cause i need the hyperthreading for playing newer games. but everywhere i look they want over 200 for it! its like for 300 to 400 i could buy a 3rd gen ryzen and board.

Just go with Rysen. 7000 series don't make sense now. I won't even buy 9000 series now, not that I would buy intel right now.

[SteveGrabowski0]

I wouldn't touch 4C/8T in 2020 when games are now being designed for 8C/16T consoles. Even 6C/12T is kind of iffy, though if we get the rumored $220 R5 5600 non-X maybe it would be worth it since Ryzen 3 got a really nice IPC bump.

[thrasher_565]

2 hours ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

I wouldn't touch 4C/8T in 2020 when games are now being designed for 8C/16T consoles. Even 6C/12T is kind of iffy, though if we get the rumored $220 R5 5600 non-X maybe it would be worth it since Ryzen 3 got a really nice IPC bump.

all aaa games are crap... there nothing worth playing imo so why upgrade? indy games on the other hand are doing alsome...

 

do people like playing buggy boring full of micro transaction games?

Edited December 20, 2020 by thrasher_565