I told my brother that I'm going for a Ryzen 3600 and he told me this... Is it true?

[Celfon]

I first went with Intel as he suggested and picked an i5-9600k. I agreed at first since I don't know much about PC building.  But after some extensive research I've decided to go the AMD route with their Ryzen 5 3600. (Mind you I'm in a budget. 1000$), when he heard about my decision he told me this:

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"You'll only save 95$ when you switch to AMD"

"Then you'll have to buy a GPU"

"AMD is cheaper because it has less features than Intel"

So should I just stick with Intel? 

Also he told me that I should only ever go with using 1 RAM stick and never use dual/quad-channelling. 

(Is this even true? Just to make sure because I've checked all around and they said to utilize dual channelling.)

[CreativeName6426]

I don't know about the processors, but I guarantee that you'll want to stick with dual or quad channel RAM

 

Edit: The i5 that you picked was overclockable and the R5 3600 isn't. The R5 3600X is overclockable. But that may not matter to you.

[leo1798]

He's giving you some BAD information. First, you should always go with dual-channel RAM if it's an option. Single-Channel immediately takes away performance. Second, you cannot use Intel's integrated graphics to play any real games. You need to purchase a GPU no matter what. Finally, the Ryzen 5 3600 offers better overall performance, but it does lose in a handful of games. 

 

So you had the right idea, do not listen to your brother.

[Princess Luna]

Wait the R5 3600 is 95 dollars CHEAPER than the i5 9600K?

 

You're literally buying a superior/better product for cheaper this is a no brainer, the R5 3600 is the obvious take in here.

 

3 minutes ago, Celfon said:

Also he told me that I should only ever go with using 1 RAM stick and never use dual/quad-channelling. 

You should always use dual channel memory as single channel memory will cripple your system performance.

[kla3]

9 hours ago, Celfon said:

"You'll only save 95$ when you switch to AMD"

in my book, thats 95$ more to spend on a GPU

If i were you, i would probably go with AMD

[Statik]

I suggest you stop talking to your brother about computers.

[Ergroilnin]

5 minutes ago, J4C0B 4W3S0M3 said:

Edit: The i5 that you picked was overclockable and the R5 3600 isn't. The R5 3600X is overclockable. But that may not matter to you.

 

R5 3600 is overclocable just like all other AMD CPUs, AMD is not doing the same locked shit the Intel does. All the X at the end means is just that it's slightly better binned CPU factory pre-overclocked a bit.

[Mira Yurizaki]

The only thing AMD processors don't have yet is AVX 512 support.

 

Which is useful in like 0 consumer applications.

[Tristerin]

A lot of bad information overall in this thread.  

 

1.) You cant go Quad Channel with Ryzen 3000 (or Intel consumer products afaik)

2.) Single Channel (1 stick) is performance degradation on both platforms

3.) Almost all of AMD product line-ups are overclockable, highly recommended from me

4.) Your brother has no idea what he is talking about

5.) A iGPU (integrated GPU) will only work for doing Netflix and stuff.  Some games like Pinball will work fine with it but overall its not a GPU (built in graphics display on intel).  If you are not building a gaming rig, then go with AMD APU's, still a much better offering than Intel atm.

[nick name]

Hmmm, your brother doesn't seem to know what he is talking about.  Like . . . at all.

[RollinLower]

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

A lot of bad information overall in this thread.  

 

1.) You cant go Quad Channel with Ryzen 3000 (or Intel consumer products afaik)

2.) Single Channel (1 stick) is performance degradation on both platforms

3.) Almost all of AMD product line-ups are overclockable, highly recommended from me

4.) Your brother has no idea what he is talking about

5.) A iGPU (integrated GPU) will only work for doing Netflix and stuff.  Some games like Pinball will work fine with it but overall its not a GPU (built in graphics display on intel).  If you are not building a gaming rig, then go with AMD APU's, still a much better offering than Intel atm.

you sir, just hit the nail on the head.

[s3ns3]

you dont get quad channel memory not even on i9. however i dont know how the prices are in other countries,but i made a pc for a friend and i didnt go with ryzen 3600/X because its much more expensive than i5 9600KF. so i donno about amd and cheap anymore. and since the i5 9600KF is better in most games we went intel.

[Anomnomnomaly]

Every single youtube reviewer has stated that the 3600 is the best performing and value for money CPU around... Intel integrated GPU's are garbage for gaming so you'll need a GPU regardless. Your brother doesn't know what he's talking about and probably has only ever listened to intels marketing blurb or intel fanbois.

 

You gain massive performance over anything similar from intel with the exception of a few areas that where intel has better single thread performance... So games that rely heavily on single thread workloads may still slightly favour intel CPU's... But overall, when you factor in all types of games and other work loads... the Ryzen 5 3600 wins out by a large margin.

 

and always... ALWAYS go for dual channel ram, these Ryzen CPU's love it... the faster the better. If you can afford 3600mhz, get it unless you are sticking with a B450 board in which case you may struggle to run it at those speeds... It does vary from though... 3200mhz ram is still a good bet if you want to save a little extra towards a better GPU

 

 

As for your brothers reasoning... is he utterly clueless, or deliberately trying to sabotage your build?

[tech.guru]

start with basics, understand the use case first!

 

what is your primary use for the computer?

what would you like or expecting the new computer to do that your current computer doesnt do today?

what is your current system specifications?

[nick name]

11 minutes ago, s3ns3 said:

you dont get quad channel memory not even on i9. however i dont know how the prices are in other countries,but i made a pc for a friend and i didnt go with ryzen 3600/X because its much more expensive than i5 9600KF. so i donno about amd and cheap anymore. and since the i5 9600KF is better in most games we went intel.

That, unfortunately, isn't very forward thinking.  If you are looking at newer titles you'll see that they are utilizing more cores than older titles did.  Gamers Nexus recently stated that they used to recommend i5 CPUs for gaming, but they don't anymore because of developers being more core conscious.  And that trend should only continue into the future.  

[yolosnail]

I needed a good laugh today!

Let me list all the reasons to go with the i5

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I can see a case to buy an i9, or even an i7 at a push, but anything lower than that isn't worth the hassle.

It's on a dead platform that is already underperforming against the competition

 

If you're an Intel fanboy that could never go AMD, at least wait until 10th 'gen' at this point

[TrainFan475]

21 minutes ago, Celfon said:

"You'll only save 95$ when you switch to AMD"

"Then you'll have to buy a GPU"

$95 you can put into an actually good gpu instead of crappy integrated graphics!

52 minutes ago, Celfon said:

"AMD is cheaper because it has less features than Intel"

Less features? Tell him to list some.

23 minutes ago, Celfon said:

Also he told me that I should only ever go with using 1 RAM stick and never use dual/quad-channelling. 

Um, no! If anything, you want to avoid single channel (1 RAM stick) as this will decrease your memory bandwidth.

[RejZoR]

Then buy Ryzen 2400G or 3400G. It's CPU+GPU combo with pretty decent graphics core. Especially the newer 3400G. 3400G goes for around 140€ and comes with a Wraith box cooler, so do the math.

[Letgomyleghoe]

52 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

iGPU (integrated GPU) will only work for doing Netflix and stuff.  Some games like Pinball will work fine with it but overall its not a GPU (built in graphics display on intel).  If you are not building a gaming rig, then go with AMD APU's, still a much better offering than Intel atm.

My first PC gaming experience was on laptop i5 Intel integrated graphics and it was terrible, turned me off to PC gaming for a while.

[Ergroilnin]

24 minutes ago, Caroline said:

With all due respect, your brother doesn't know shit about computers.

Also

>I'm in a budget

>$1000

really...?

 

I don't know why you are putting a question mark at this. Sure, one can build a decent computer with less, but PCs are an investment for few years and so it makes sense to put a decent amount money in them if you can.

 

We also do not know if that 1000 is for parts only or everything.

 

If it is just for parts, then it is pretty decent, but if he has to buy monitor, peripherals, case, power supply etc. then that leaves much less for the "actual" HW like CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD, possibly HDD and MOBO.

 

Sure even then 1000 dollars is not exactly your "ghetto" budget PC build, but nowadays it is not enough money for a really good, non enthusiast/rich people PC.

[RejZoR]

All integrated graphics are crap. Even AMD's which are generally among the best. You really need a 250 €/$ investment to run things well. And given how industry is stagnating today, only way you're losing performance is using some unreasonable resolution. At 1080p, you can have 3 years old mid end graphic card and it'll still run games perfectly fine even at higher details.

[Letgomyleghoe]

Your brother clearly has no idea what he's talking about, I would go with the 3600x as it can handle some high end graphics without bottlenecking.

Dual channel memory is much better, if you use only one stick you will cut your performance in half.

 

[WereCatf]

1 hour ago, J4C0B 4W3S0M3 said:

Edit: The i5 that you picked was overclockable and the R5 3600 isn't. The R5 3600X is overclockable.

You are spouting utter rubbish. 3600X is just higher-clocked from factory, but 3600 can still be overclocked manually.

[gloop]

1 hour ago, J4C0B 4W3S0M3 said:

I don't know about the processors, but I guarantee that you'll want to stick with dual or quad channel RAM

 

Edit: The i5 that you picked was overclockable and the R5 3600 isn't. The R5 3600X is overclockable. But that may not matter to you.

Almost every AMD Ryzen CPU is overclockable.

[WereCatf]

1 hour ago, Celfon said:

I agreed at first since I don't know much about PC building.  But after some extensive research I've decided to go the AMD route with their Ryzen 5 3600.

I have to say that I like very much like the fact that you went and attempted to research things on your own, even though you don't know much about computers. That's commendable. Please, do continue doing that as it's a very good trait. Besides, your research came up with a much better choice, too, so job well done!