Best Way to store Movies?

[keavlar]

Hey all,

What is the best way to store movies?

I mean, you have a bunch of movies, your video clips, that you wanna save for another 40 years.

What is the best way to do so. While still been able to watch them right away, with out need to download.

 

I was thinkiing about NAS, but at the same time even NAS can die, and kill all the files it had on it. 

[Enderman]

You can't have everything at the same time.

You either pick long term or you pick quickly accessible.

[MartinKweh]

1. Cloud storage (though fast internet is required) 

2. Disks (lol) 

3. Hard drives (though must be stored in an airtight container)

4. SD cards and flash drives (Same as hard drives)

 

[keavlar]

3 minutes ago, Martin2132 said:

Hard drives (though must be stored in an airtight container)

Why in air tight container?

[keavlar]

4 minutes ago, Enderman said:

You can't have everything at the same time.

You either pick long term or you pick quickly accessible.

So if I use NAS, I can't stream from it? 

[MartinKweh]

15 hours ago, keavlar said:

Why in air tight container?

he said he want to keep it for a long time(40 years Lmao) . it just slows down the degradation since nothing can corrode or damage it in  an air tight container.

[keavlar]

3 minutes ago, Martin2132 said:

he said he want to keep it for a long time(40 years Lmao) . it just slows down the degradation since nothing can corrode or damage it in  an air tight container.

Ohhh XD  LOL , i get now

[jj9987]

There's a tradeoff between reliability and performance/latency (and cost). Generally you want redundancy and backup.

 

Redundancy is the ability to suffer a disk loss without data loss. You could set up a ZFS pool or a RAID array or similar, that makes use of parity and can survive 1 or 2 (and in some cases, even more) disks dying at once. Generally ZFS and RAID arrays are faster (more bandwidth and smaller latency) when they are available nearby (e.g. in same local network on a NAS).

 

Backup is storing the data on another media and can also help with accidental deletions as long as the changes do not immediately sync. Generally the rule (3-2-1 backup rule) is to have 3 copies of your data, 2 are on different types of storage media and 1 is stored offsite/in the cloud.

 

How much are you willing to pay? And what kind of access times do you want/need?

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

I get a account Baidu cloud yrs ago, (requires a mobile no to activate, free!!)

its cloud is slow but it has 2 TB storage 

and its chiNazi, so dont store anything too important

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

or create a bunch of google accounts for google drive, 15GB each

make sure you keep your account names & pw well

[WereCatf]

3 hours ago, keavlar said:

So if I use NAS, I can't stream from it? 

Of course you can, but it's not good for long-term storage. Really, the proper(TM) way of doing it would be to have a NAS for easy access and then off-site storage for long-term backups, like e.g. tape-drives and tape-cartridges -- if something happened to your house, like e.g. burned down, the tapes in the long-term, off-site storage would still be safe and you could build a new NAS and restore the videos from the tapes.

 

A single NAS is not long-term suitable, and if you have no off-site backup, you have nothing to recover from if something happened to the site where your NAS is.

[keavlar]

4 hours ago, jj9987 said:

There's a tradeoff between reliability and performance/latency (and cost). Generally you want redundancy and backup.

 

Redundancy is the ability to suffer a disk loss without data loss. You could set up a ZFS pool or a RAID array or similar, that makes use of parity and can survive 1 or 2 (and in some cases, even more) disks dying at once. Generally ZFS and RAID arrays are faster (more bandwidth and smaller latency) when they are available nearby (e.g. in same local network on a NAS).

 

Backup is storing the data on another media and can also help with accidental deletions as long as the changes do not immediately sync. Generally the rule (3-2-1 backup rule) is to have 3 copies of your data, 2 are on different types of storage media and 1 is stored offsite/in the cloud.

 

How much are you willing to pay? And what kind of access times do you want/need?

N O idea.. XD.. as cheap as possible

[Mind_001]

Get BackBlaze... Or Amazon AWS.

[Sir Asvald]

10 hours ago, keavlar said:

So if I use NAS, I can't stream from it? 

You can use Plex. It allows you to steam from outside your home, you'll need to port forward, I also recommend getting an SSL certificate as well for better security. 

[Enderman]

11 hours ago, keavlar said:

So if I use NAS, I can't stream from it? 

Well yeah you can but hard drives aren't as reliable for long term storage as tape.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Keeping your movies on a NAS is great for quick local access, especially if more than one computer wants to access a movie. However, it's not particularly secure by itself. You also need to backup the movies onto sets of external drives, preferably one set kept locally for quick access should something go sideways on the NAS, and the other set kept offiste somewhere. 

 

There are several kinds of media you can use to backup your movies. HDDs are the least expensive and are in the middle range for data retention when in cold storage (i.e. not being accesses for extremely long periods, such as years). HDDs are currently the most cost effective storage medium but they need to be run periodically to keep them from going bad from disuse.

 

Tape is king for cold storage and is inexpensive, especially for huge data amounts, but the hardware needed to use it can be insanely expensive.

 

SSDs fall in the middle when it comes to cost but rates at the bottom for data retention in cold storage. Unless powered up and read at least once a year (more often being preferable), the charge in the cells that determines the bit values in the cells will slowly bleed off.

 

Data archival is not static and long term storage reliability means it must be checked for loss every so often. Also, technology is not static and various storage media keeps becoming obsolete. 8" floppies, then 5" and 3.5" floppies have become pretty much extinct. A lot of people have lost data because the hardware needed to read from have become almost impossible to find anymore. As technology advances and older technology begins to become obsolete, it will be necessary to update the old media the data is on to more current media.

 

I keep my movies on a couple of 4TB SSDs in my desktop computer. Each one has a set of four backup SSDs. Two SSDs of each set are kept onsite and the other two of the set are kept in my safe deposit box at my credit union. The onsite and offsite backup drives get swapped out at least once a month (more often if I had critical data to any one of my computer drives) to keep the backup drives as up to date as possible. Despite the lower data retention time of SSDs, I chose to go with them because of the weght and amount of space taken up by ten 4TB 3.5" HDDs. I'm old and schlepping those backu drives was kiilling my shoulders! Most people will find SSDs to be too impractical for large amounts of data storage, especially for long periods of cold storage.

[williamcll]

Mega.co.nz gives you 50GB and is probably the fastest among free cloud storage.

[2FA]

7 minutes ago, williamcll said:

Mega.co.nz gives you 50GB and is probably the fastest among free cloud storage.

So one remuxed 1080p BluRay movie. Free cloud with that kind of capacity isn't really relevant. Free cloud isn't really relevant at all. Wasabi or Backblaze B2 are going to be the cheapest for meaningful amounts of backup storage.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

1 hour ago, williamcll said:

Mega.co.nz gives you 50GB and is probably the fastest among free cloud storage.

I wouldn't trust Mega any further than I could spit upwind in a class 5 hurricane!

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Laugh all you want, D.U.F.F. Woul you trust your data with a company that has already ben shut down once due to shady activity, causing people to lose all their data, is now owned by a Chinese National who acquired it via a hostile take ove, and has incompetent programmers and tech "help"?

[mariushm]

For 40 years or more, probably magnetic tapes in a nitrogen filled container (or some other inert gas) or in a storage vault (like those old salt mines with 24/7 temperature and humidity control ... and you'd still have to periodically (every few months) turn the tapes on the other sides, to prevent tape from sticking or minimize various chemical effects.

 

Of course, you'd have to store multiple copies of the machines which could read the tapes.

 

archival optical media is good for maybe 8-10 years ... if you use regular dvd+r or bluray discs i wouldn't trust them for more than 5 years.

 

Cheapest and most convenient would be multiple hard drives in a unit or several units in a rack and some system that spreads each file across multiple drives. Periodically, let's say every six months, add new drive to the pool and after around 3-6 months when you're fairly sure the drive is probably gonna last, remove the oldest drive from the pool. 

Statistically, mechanical drives fail most often in the first 3 months of 24/7 use, and the mortality rate goes up after 3 years by small amounts and is noticeably higher after 5 years.

 

Ideally, you'd have a duplicate of the whole system or something more basic in case that something really bad happens to the master setup and you lose data (fire, water, electricity power surge, theft, earthquake, whatever)

 

SSDs can work, but I think they have to be refreshed more often than mechanical drives and if I remember correctly, they don't die as gracefully as mechanical drives - i mean usually you start to see SMART errors with mechanical drives and you have at least a few hours or days where you can copy some data from mechanical drive. With SSDs often it's controller dying or some kind of failure that's instant, and often unrecoverable.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

2 hours ago, mariushm said:

...SSDs can work, but I think they have to be refreshed more often than mechanical drives and if I remember correctly, they don't die as gracefully as mechanical drives - i mean usually you start to see SMART errors with mechanical drives and you have at least a few hours or days where you can copy some data from mechanical drive. With SSDs often it's controller dying or some kind of failure that's instant, and often unrecoverable.

For the most part you are correct about SSDs. However, any drive--SSD or HDD--can fail irrecoverably at any time without any warning whatsoever. The only way to resonably ensure data is safe is for it to exist in at least three separate places.

 

For most people, HDDs are the most cost effctive and durable for long term storage but they still will need to be exercised at least once a year to ensure they do not seize up.

[jake9000]

Assuming you can keep them in a cool and dry place, blurays have a shelf life of 50ish years. Just make sure they have inorganic dyes. 

[Mihle]

If you get a NAS, just know you don't need the speed of for example ZFS unless you have multiple people streaming at the same time (I don't know the number of streams before it's needed tho, but it's def mere than two).

 

Benefit of Unraid with parity is that if you are unlucky and parity drives plus one more fail, you only lose the data on that one. The data on the rest is ok and do not need possessing as nothing is striped as it is in Raid.

[D.U.F.F.]

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