UPDATED* AMD announces the Radeon VII - but it's $699 | Nvidia calls it "Lousy"

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

A single card that matches the performance Nvidia had with the previous 1080Ti, AMD is really late with a competing card

AMD directly compared Radeon VII to a RTX 2080, not a 1080Ti. Nice attempt at controlling the narrative though. 

 

[Settlerteo]

Well i m really waiting to see the Sapphire nitro version of this card blowing hot air in my desktop, and gtx 1070 crying somewhere in the corner of the room.

[Blademaster91]

15 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

AMD directly compared Radeon VII to a RTX 2080, not a 1080Ti. Nice attempt at controlling the narrative though. 

 

Not really any narrative lol, the 1080Ti and 2080 trade blows in most games. Yeah i know the naysayers are going to say RT is useless though take away the feature of RT on the 2080 since the Radeon lacks it, and AMD is competing  with the 1080Ti from like 2 years ago. IMO rather underwhelming for a $699 card with 16GB of VRAM that gamers don't need.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

and AMD is competing  with the 1080Ti from like 2 years ago

See right there, you did it again. Downplaying the performance....

[Techstorm970]

17 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

AMD directly compared Radeon VII to a RTX 2080, not a 1080Ti. Nice attempt at controlling the narrative though. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Not really any narrative lol, the 1080Ti and 2080 trade blows in most games. Yeah i know the naysayers are going to say RT is useless though take away the feature of RT on the 2080 since the Radeon lacks it, and AMD is competing  with the 1080Ti from like 2 years ago. IMO rather underwhelming for a $699 card with 16GB of VRAM that gamers don't need.

 

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

See right there, you did it again. Downplaying the performance....

Alright you two, let's compromise and say that Radeon VII is not what we were hoping for, but still isn't a bad GPU, even for its price point.

 

And like others have said, it is ONE HELL of a compute card for its price!  

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Techstorm970 said:

Alright you two, let's compromise and say that Radeon VII is not what we were hoping for, but still isn't a bad GPU, even for its price point.

I wasn’t expecting anything tbh, I play mostly World of Warships at 1080p @60fps. My RX 580 is overkill already  

[Ashleyyyy]

8 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

IMO rather underwhelming for a $699 card with 16GB of VRAM that gamers don't need.

people who only play games don't really need 16GB of VRAM now, but people who do other things with their pc do need it. 

 

not everyone has the money to build 2 machines (1 for work and 1 for games). this (from what I've seen) looks like a very good allrounder. good in games and good in compute. 

 

also, like @DrMacintosh said it does perform better than a 1080Ti. they compared it to the 2080. 

[YoloSwag]

3 minutes ago, Techstorm970 said:

And like others have said, it is ONE HELL of a compute card for its price!

 

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

I wasn’t expecting anything tbh, I play mostly World of Warships at 1080p @60fps. My RX 580 is overkill already

 

As for me, I'm looking forward to their RX 480/580 replacement. Nvidia's future mid-range competitor looks like a bit of a mess based from leaked info and speculation.

 

Can we have it like before? Like when Nvidia launched the GTX 1060 where it was better than a GTX 970 and traded blows with a GTX 980. I think that would be great to see again this year for both camps.

[DeScruff]

48 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Side note why does anyone even care about older AMD reference coolers anyway, in the past who was actually buying those cards. Only thing those reference coolers were used for was ammo to dump on AMD GPUs even though it didn't represent what people are actually buying.

From what I gather usually the people who buy reference cooler cards are:

• People on a very tight budget.
• OEMs
• People who don't care about the reference cooler it's self, they want a cheap card for the reference PCB to use in custom watercooling. (Since most blocks are made for reference boards)

I never did quite understand the poo pooing on a card for it's reference cooler's poor performance... I mean its supposed to be like the heatsink that comes with a high end CPU (or at least used to). It works, and as long as it works and isn't harming the part, then whatever. If it does happen to perform well then, cool.

[Settlerteo]

21 minutes ago, Techstorm970 said:

 

 

Alright you two, let's compromise and say that Radeon VII is not what we were hoping for, but still isn't a bad GPU, even for its price point.

 

And like others have said, it is ONE HELL of a compute card for its price!  

That's absolutely correct. 

[Settlerteo]

27 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

16GB of VRAM that gamers don't need.

Well majority of gamers probably don't need more than 4 cores but they keep asking for them. Maybe that amount of Ram will make the card more futureproof f they develop good drivers on it to keep up the performance(i.e. as a r9 fury x or a 480 8gb).

[Nicnac]

Is it Vi?

 

( this ws the only time I ever played LOL, I honestly hate the game ^^)

[Settlerteo]

15 minutes ago, Sypran said:

People who don't care about the reference cooler it's self, they want a cheap card for the reference PCB to use in custom watercooling.

Looking forward for compatibility of the card with the NZXT G12 bracket.

[n2a newt]

I'm curious if AMD will do anything with lower tier SKU's or do anything at 60CUs with different memory configurations like the 2060 cards. I think the R7 could make a bigger splash on the market if it had cheaper options with GDDR6 or GDDR5 or just less HBM2.

[ne0tic]

Should have been $599 or even $549 to be able to make a big impact on the market

[Nowak]

lol @ everyone who was expecting a RTX 2080 killer for $250

[Trixanity]

2 hours ago, Humbug said:

I agree this GPU is a good technological achievement.

It has only 15% higher clocks than Vega64. However the performance is 25-30% improved.

This is a clear sign that the architecture is much better on the newer Vega II. Not just a die shrink.

It is mostly a compute card and that's reflected in the changes to the chip: ML instructions and FP64 performance.

 

However for the first time ever AMD has apparently managed to exceed the 64 ROP barrier and doubled it to 128. However you'd think given the doubling in units to push pixels that the performance increase would be bigger. Especially considering that they've also removed the memory bottleneck by more than doubling memory bandwidth. You'd actually think the performance would be 50%+.

 

I'd say there must still be a bottleneck somewhere holding it back. Would love to see a deep dive on that.

[C2HWarrior]

34 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

See right there, you did it again. Downplaying the performance....

He's not really. Gaming wise this thing performs the same as a gtx1080ti. That card was released 2 years ago. That's just a fact. Compute however will probably be a completely different story. I expect this thing to be a monster in compute workloads at that price 

[C2HWarrior]

3 minutes ago, Nowak said:

lol @ everyone who was expecting a RTX 2080 killer for $250

That's Navi. Nobody was expecting that to be released until 2nd half of 2019

[Nowak]

Just now, C2HWarrior said:

That's Navi. Nobody was expecting that to be released until 2nd half of 2019

Except AdoredTV, who insisted that Navi and Ryzen 3000 would be unveiled at CES this year.

[leadeater]

29 minutes ago, Sypran said:

People on a very tight budget.

There were cheap AIB options that weren't big 3 fan coolers etc, reference buyers were typically those that couldn't wait for AIB card or the system came with it. Though systems using AMD GPUs at all isn't that common, at least not for the better GPUs.

[Blademaster91]

22 minutes ago, Settlerteo said:

Well majority of gamers probably don't need more than 4 cores but they keep asking for them. Maybe that amount of Ram will make the card more futureproof f they develop good drivers on it to keep up the performance(i.e. as a r9 fury x or a 480 8gb).

A majority of gamers don't need the 16GB, futureproof who knows unless these cards outperform the 2080 at 4K and at that budget most would probably go for a 2080Ti anyway.

[C2HWarrior]

6 minutes ago, Nowak said:

Except AdoredTV, who insisted that Navi and Ryzen 3000 would be unveiled at CES this year.

Being unveiled and being released are completely different. Nobody expected Navi to be released until 2nd half 2019. Amd could have showed a teaser for Navi if they wanted to, we know it's near completion. It's seems however that they have a high number of defective mi60 cards that they need to sell so they released Radeon VII. They are not gonna be like "hey buy these cards now but in 7-9months time we are releasing a new, much better architecture". That's just bad business.

[Taf the Ghost]

20 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

It is mostly a compute card and that's reflected in the changes to the chip: ML instructions and FP64 performance.

 

However for the first time ever AMD has apparently managed to exceed the 64 ROP barrier and doubled it to 128. However you'd think given the doubling in units to push pixels that the performance increase would be bigger. Especially considering that they've also removed the memory bottleneck by more than doubling memory bandwidth. You'd actually think the performance would be 50%+.

 

I'd say there must still be a bottleneck somewhere holding it back. Would love to see a deep dive on that.

Other little detail is significant chunks of Vega were busted at the silicon level. It's a brilliant mixed-load GPU, but there's a slew of functions that they just didn't get working. RTG still has a bunch of development issues to work out, especially if the rumors of another Navi respin are true.

[Taf the Ghost]

On 1/10/2019 at 2:34 AM, Nowak said:

Except AdoredTV, who insisted that Navi and Ryzen 3000 would be unveiled at CES this year.

Like or dislike Adored, but stop lying about what he said.

 

On 1/10/2019 at 2:46 AM, Blademaster91 said:

A majority of gamers don't need the 16GB, futureproof who knows unless these cards outperform the 2080 at 4K and at that budget most would probably go for a 2080Ti anyway.

In hindsight, the "Nvidia supports FreeSync" move has a bit to do with the Radeon 7. The 7 is clearly a 4K-capable gaming card, and most of the 4K monitors you'd game on have the FreeSync.