Intel chips without IGPUs listed

[Bananasplit_00]

SAUCE: https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/26778-intel-core-processorer-utan-integrerad-grafikdel-prislistas-hos-nordiska-aterforsaljare

 

This is comming from Sweclockers, a Swedish tech website that has been pretty decent. They got Turing right way way early for one.

Original untranslated:

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I konsumentsegmentet är bolagets processorer därtill bestyckade med en integrerad grafikdel, där arkitekturen Gen9 har varit aktuell för denna sedan introduktionen i samband med "Skylake". Tidigare rykten har talat om att Intel har för avsikt att lansera processorer i Core 9000-serien utan den integrerade grafiken. Nu styrks uppgifterna efter att priser för flera sådana modeller hittat ut på webben.

Återförsäljare från Norge och Finland har listat fyra processorer med suffixet "F", vilket enligt tidigare uppgifter ska markera att den integrerade grafiken saknas. De fyra produkterna är Core i9-9900KF, Core i7-9700KF, Core i5-9600KF samt Core i5-9400F och som namnet avslöjar saknar sistnämnda stöd för överklockning.

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Även fyrkärniga Core i3-9350K väntas släppas i ett utförande utan integrerad grafik, men denna omnämns inte hos återförsäljarna. Tillsammans med priserna finns även basfrekvensen angiven, vilken i samtliga fall är identisk med specifikationerna för de redan lanserade "Coffee Lake Refresh"-processorerna.

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Priserna hos återförsäljarna skiljer sig åt, vilket kan tyda på att någon officiell prissättning inte är klar. Hos den norska butiken syns Core i9-9900KF för motsvarande 7 800 kronor inklusive moms, medan samma produkt listas för 6 500 kronor hos den finska försäljaren. Den snabbare Core i5-varianten landar på 4 000 alternativt 2 300 kronor. Core i5-9400F och Core i7-9700KF syns enbart hos den norska återförsäljaren och där skrivs 2 900 respektive 6 000 kronor.

Translated by me into english:

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I the consumer space the companies processors all have intergrated graphics, the architecture of which has been the same since "Skylake". Previous rumors have spoken about Intel wantíng to launch Core 9000-series processors without the intergrated graphics. Now those rumors are underlined as serveral of those have been listed on the web.

Retailers from Norway and Finland have listed four processors with the suffix "F", which acording to earlier sources means that they lack the intergrated graphics part. The four producs are the Coer i9-9900KF, Core i7-9700KF, Core i5-9600KF and the Core i5-9400F and as the name emplies the last one in the list lacks overclocking support.

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The quadcore Core I3-9350K is expected to launch in a form without intergrated graphics, but is not listed by the retailers. Together with the prices there is also the base frequency, which in all cases is identical to the spcification of the already launched "Coffe Lake Refresh"-processors

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Prices vary among the retailers, which could imply that the official price is not yet set. At the Norwegian retailer we see the Core I9-9900KF listed for equivalent to 7800 kronor(~€757), while the same product is listed at 6500 kronor(~€630) by Finish retailer. The faster Core I5-variant lands at 4000 (~€388) and 2300 kronor(~€223) respectivly. Core I5 9400F and Core I7 9700KF are only listed at the Norwegian retailer and are listed at 2900(~281) and 6000(€583) kronor respecivly.

 

Cool cool, more chips. Kinda meh as the IGPU has actiually become useful for quite a few things content creation wise so the I7 and I9 only make sense for gamers now but the discounted prices of the Finish retailer would make these chips a good deal IMO. Going to be fun to see if they overclock better or if thats going to be the same. Seeing as Intel can now sell the chips with defective IGPUs the 14nm shortage should eliviate some at least  

[yolosnail]

Maybe removing the iGPU can reduce the temperature to below that of the sun

[Enderman]

iGPU is good for troubleshooting GPU issues, accelerating video editing, streaming, and many other things.

The price better be a lot lower if they're gonna remove such a great feature.

[ZacoAttaco]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

iGPU is good for troubleshooting GPU issues, accelerating video editing, streaming, and many other things.

The price better be a lot lower if they're gonna remove such a great feature.

Agreed, I currently run a third monitor of an iGPU, it was one thing I didn't like about Ryzen chips without APUs.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

the iGPU is useful though... running extra displays, using it for the host of a VM server... etc. 

[Jurrunio]

I thought that's only done to compensate for poor yields on 10nm?

 

Guess they realized Ryzen did well without integrated graphics and tried to copy that, but shaving off your advantage is hardly the best of ideas.

[mariushm]

probably dies that suck and couldn't get within tdp with graphics enabled

[The Benjamins]

Are theses cpus with out a GPU or just them disabled.

[Bananasplit_00]

1 minute ago, The Benjamins said:

Are theses cpus with out a GPU or just them disabled.

unclear but most likely just dies with functioning cores and broken IGPU.

2 minutes ago, mariushm said:

probably dies that suck and couldn't get within tdp with graphics enabled

Intel dosnt give a shit about TDP anyway so i doubt they are cut for thermals tbh

 

[GoldenLag]

The i5 9400F is somewhat interesting for budget gamers, if we could get some new B series boards. 

 

Prices seem pretty ok. Nothing amazing

[BananaInSandals]

Tom's Hardware speculates that it's more likely to be the igpu being deactivated than completely removed. They also speculate that these F series cpus are the production defects with the defects in the igpu.

 

https://amp.tomshardware.com/news/i9-9900kf-i7-9700kf-i5-9600kf-i5-9400f-prices,38284.html

[mr moose]

7 hours ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

 

Intel dosnt give a shit about TDP anyway so i doubt they are cut for thermals tbh

 

Yes they do.  TDP is largely misunderstood by the enthusiast community.

 

1 hour ago, BananaInSandals said:

Tom's Hardware speculates that it's more likely to be the igpu being deactivated than completely removed. They also speculate that these F series cpus are the production defects with the defects in the igpu.

 

https://amp.tomshardware.com/news/i9-9900kf-i7-9700kf-i5-9600kf-i5-9400f-prices,38284.html

As much as that's a more reasonable conclusion, part of me still hopes they are just faster with better thermals.

[Bananasplit_00]

5 hours ago, mr moose said:

Yes they do.  TDP is largely misunderstood by the enthusiast community.

To Intel, both the I7 7700k and the I9 9900K are "95W" TDP. One of those pulls a lot more power and is a lot hotter. 

3 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

what are the prices of a 9900K and a 9700K in the area? o_o I'm assuming the numbers are after tax and import

Actually looking at this, the KF chips are more expensive... Though that's comparing Swedish prices to these prices translated from Norwegian krona. The I7 9700k is 4435 sek and the price for the I7 9700KF is 6000 sek... 

[kuddlesworth9419]

Good I prefer CPU's that don't have iGPU's. There's literally no reason for me to have one, it would be sitting there doing fuck all. One of the reasons why I went for a CPU that didn't. People say it's good for hardware acceleration but that doesn't make any sense because if you have a discrete GPU you can do that and better anyway. So you can run more displays? But GPU's have a bunch of outputs anyway so that's also a moot point. 

[mr moose]

6 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

To Intel, both the I7 7700k and the I9 9900K are "95W" TDP. One of those pulls a lot more power and is a lot hotter. 

 

I think you will find that if you follow the spec they both will operate within it. 

[Nicnac]

is gettin' hot in here

[KuJoe]

Whenever I see i5-9400F I'll always ask myself what does it convert to in Celsius (i5-5204C for those wondering).

[Nicnac]

5 minutes ago, KuJoe said:

Whenever I see i5-9400F I'll always ask myself what does it convert to in Celsius (i5-5204C for those wondering).

[Bananasplit_00]

9 minutes ago, KuJoe said:

Whenever I see i5-9400F I'll always ask myself what does it convert to in Celsius (i5-5204C for those wondering).

5th gen had some crazy names so I wouldn't doubt that a 5204C exists

17 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

they better clock better ._. maybe higher than the price difference since the iGP's good for quicksync

(if they're going to do the same for CPUs with HD gen 11 and Xe (whichever that's going to have adaptive sync) the iGP could be used as a intermediary between Nvida GPUs and VESA Adaptive Sync or AMD Freesync displays)

I think the F chips are probably just here because Intel hasn't got enough 14nm capacity right now

[yian88]

Good they should get rid of that garbage completely and reduce the price by 1/3rd which is the size of the iGPU silicon on i7/i5 die, they scammed people long enough.

[Princess Luna]

7 hours ago, mr moose said:

Yes they do.  TDP is largely misunderstood by the enthusiast community.

No they don't, the i9 9900K and i7 9700K can not sustain their STOCK turbo boost respecting the STOCK TDP, meaning you gotta choose which "stock settings" you want now lel

[AlTech]

5 hours ago, mr moose said:

I think you will find that if you follow the spec they both will operate within it. 

At base clock both will. At boost, the 9900K will exceed 95w. That's just how kaby lake refresh, coffee lake and coffee lake refresh work.

[mr moose]

7 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

No they don't, the i9 9900K and i7 9700K can not sustain their STOCK turbo boost respecting the STOCK TDP, meaning you gotta choose which "stock settings" you want now lel

If you are running at boost then they are not within the design spec conditions.  The TDP is for base clock not boost.  TDP is for base clock only.

4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

At base clock both will. At boost, the 9900K will exceed 95w. That's just how kaby lake refresh, coffee lake and coffee lake refresh work.

TDP is only measured at base clock.  You can't operate the chip outside of the defined TDP condition then claim the spec is wrong.

 

 

Honestly when are people going to understand this. TDP is not a rating meant for boost or overclocking. boost and overclock are unpredictable conditions depending on the silicon lottery,  All chips can boost to the clock advertised, but for how long and how much power they draw doing it is anyone's guess,  Intel cannot guess a technical spec, that is why TDP is only given for the base clock. 

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, mr moose said:

If you are running at boost then they are not within the design spec conditions.  The TDP is for base clock not boost.  TDP is for base clock only.

TDP is only measured at base clock.  You can't operate the chip outside of the defined TDP condition then claim the spec is wrong.

 

 

Honestly when are people going to understand this. TDP is not a rating meant for boost or overclocking. boost and overclock are unpredictable conditions depending on the silicon lottery,  All chips can boost to the clock advertised, but for how long and how much power they draw doing it is anyone's guess,  Intel cannot guess a technical spec, that is why TDP is only given for the base clock. 

Intel used to give the TDP which applied for base clocks and boost clocks but since late 2017, Intel's TDPs only apply to base clocks.

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Intel used to give the TDP which applied for base clocks and boost clocks but since late 2017, Intel's TDPs only apply to base clocks.

Yup it used to cover the "entire actual stock" configuration, ain't that any more which is a shame... it should've raised the rated TDP to match it even it meant an worsen number on the paper.