Does LTT hate Sony?

[okannn_b]

-When they talk about TVs they keep ignoring the Sony TVs which many reviewers and sites claim that they are the best of the best when it comes to picture quality.
-When they were talking about active noise-cancellation they ignored Sony X1000 series headphones which are a pair of headphones that some say are better than QC35s at active n-c and sound quality.
-When they were talking about GoPro Hero 4 they ignored Sony's action cam options at the time which were better than Hero 4s for sure.

I actually don't know why they did not cover Sony these sony products. Sony products considered the best by many and they are kept in spotlight by many when it comes talking about the best consumer electronics, TVs, headphones etc. I would really appriciate if they do cover them when needed, not because i personally enjoy or like sony products or anything like that but because they deserve to be included in the conversation if LTT is trying to cover and compare the best products for the people.

[Princess Luna]

You're aware LTT lives from sponsoring and paid advertising, Sony has never been interested in paying LTT a dime so LTT has never been interesting in reviewing their products.

 

That's how business work.

[Ashleyyyy]

everything i´ve ever bought from Sony has been a good long lasting product. i really wish they would get talked about more. 

[Syntaxvgm]

10 minutes ago, okannn_b said:

-When they talk about TVs they keep ignoring the Sony TVs 

They seem to only really cover TVs if they are super interesting or they are sponsored. 
Hate to say it, most of the LTT audience is kids or young adults, both of whom are not likely to have their own place or be interested in TVs as much, the YA crowd most often with room mates. Even if they did, they aren't spending sony TV money. They are buying Vizio, TCL etc. 
I bought a vizio TV A few years ago and still use it. Huge, low latency, all I care about. 

10 minutes ago, okannn_b said:

which many reviewers and sites claim that they are the best of the best when it comes to picture quality.
 

doesn't matter who says it, it's not true. Sony does not make their own panels. Per example I'm pretty sure the entire OLED line is LG.

They could possibly have the best post processing, but the first thing a channel like LTT is gonna look for is how to turn it off. 


What sony used to offer was tvs that were made with gaming in mind, and with the ability to make the TV low latency on old models- for a long time sony was one of the only name brands you could get with sub 40ms latency in almost all of their higher end offerings. Today though, most TVs are lower latency with the right options, or in the very least one is easy to find. 

[givingtnt]

This is a Paid-to-be-seen buisness.
unless they sponsore them, or unless they make something Reallly remarkable, meh, ltt will not even glance at it. and besides, TVs isin't really what LTT goes after.

[Spotty]

If you think there's a product LTT should review, you can suggest it in this thread.

 

 

[shmoochie]

yeah LTT is not a tech review channel its a pay us and we will promote i mean review it for you.

[GoodBytes]

46 minutes ago, okannn_b said:

-When they talk about TVs they keep ignoring the Sony TVs which many reviewers and sites claim that they are the best of the best when it comes to picture quality.

Sony doesn't make TVs beside the super high end ones which uses panels from different manufactures. The rest are rebranded Sharp TVs.

 

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-When they were talking about active noise-cancellation they ignored Sony X1000 series headphones which are a pair of headphones that some say are better than QC35s at active n-c and sound quality.

Sony got a reputation of making headphones with 0 trebble, 0 mids, 100 bass. So they got put of the picture for most people. So Boss comes into mind, not Sony.

 

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I actually don't know why they did not cover Sony these sony products. Sony products considered the best by many and they are kept in spotlight by many when it comes talking about the best consumer electronics, TVs, headphones etc. I would really appriciate if they do cover them when needed, not because i personally enjoy or like sony products or anything like that but because they deserve to be included in the conversation if LTT is trying to cover and compare the best products for the people.

Beside PlayStaion, Sony is becomes more and more irrelevant on the consumer space (they are declining, is what I mean). Competition is very strong for Sony, on most consumer products, and they are having trouble keeping up, sadly.

[Sauron]

Maybe sony just doesn't send them stuff to review, and you can't really expect them to go and buy every new high end television that comes out.

 

Also, you may have noticed they don't review individual brands of, say, graphics cards much anymore - this is partly because they are generally more interested in trying out things that do something new and/or weird than endless iterations of roughly the same thing. Sony may have very good TVs but, if they are basically identical to a comparable LG TV except they are slightly better in terms of image quality or something like that, they aren't terribly interesting.

 

In short, LTT writers are probably not interested enough in Sony's products to go out and buy them for review.

 

On a side note, I think Sony has been very hit or miss in the last few years. They haven't been the premium brand they think they are for a while now.

[Sauron]

Just now, shmoochie said:

yeah LTT is not a tech review channel its a pay us and we will promote i mean review it for you.

Not really, they have both promotions and reviews. When it's a promotion, it's clearly stated in the video description and within the video itself. With TVs it's often the latter, since they're not exactly their field, but that's not really a problem imo.

[ARikozuM]

Sony as a brand is in decline. They've been losing market share in nearly every segment they used to hold weight in. The only areas, that I know of, where profitability and share is high is PlayStation, photo/video equipment, and car audio. Car audio has been declining in the recent years with many recommending Kenwood, Pioneer, and lesser known brands. 

[Syntaxvgm]

4 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Sony as a brand is in decline. They've been losing market share in nearly every segment they used to hold weight in. The only areas, that I know of, where profitability and share is high is PlayStation, photo/video equipment, and car audio. Car audio has been declining in the recent years with many recommending Kenwood, Pioneer, and lesser known brands. 

I see a future where the playstation division will be the only division, along with the current ventures they have like vue in media streaming etc 

[TacoSenpai]

Sony has had some problems in the past few years with their Playstation division effectively carrying them.  Their phones do ok in Japan but ultimately lose out to Apple and sometimes even Samsung elsewhere they trail behind pretty handily.  Although I have to say their TVs do look very nice when I've been in the store a few times.

[TheFlyingSquirrel]

I love Sony, owned every PlayStation, Sony z3, and even got my sister a Sony laptop. 

 

Sadly these days Sony just ain't worth the effort, short breakdown why:

• Laptops, not available in any region, always a better device for the money.
• Tablets, overpriced, and poorly supported by Sony.  Samsung, LG, Xiaomi have better value for money
• Phones, After the Z3, they did what Oneplus did without competitive pricing, software support or allowing bootloader unlock.
• Console, only thing competitively priced
• Smart devices, better more compeitively  priced watches available.
• TVs, everyone has already mentioned why
• Headphones, bluetooth is good, Wired, there is always a better product from 60 upwards.

Sony just doesn't have the market share.

[Beef Boss]

It sucks thats what LTT turned into, a sponsored mess. I haven't watched a LTT video in a long time because of this. 

 

I agree though, Sony headphones are the best. 

[ARikozuM]

11 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

I see a future where the playstation division will be the only division, along with the current ventures they have like vue in media streaming etc 

I'd rather see them fail since they take over companies, like Funimation, and then try to segregate those services further. Instead of trying to consolidate gamers on Xbox and PS, they would rather hold their market as ransom regardless of their users' desires. 

 

Funimation will no longer be on Crunchyroll even though Funi and CR have expressed interest in continuing their cooperation, due to Sony stepping in and keeping Funi as their own service. 

 

PlayStation users wanted to have crossplay for ages and Sony held out for nearly two years before Rocket League's push finally gained enough traction to get it done (it isn't up to developers to enable crossplay since Sony has put blocks from doing so). 

 

Their cameras are great, but they tend to overprice them worse than RED does. It almost amazes me that Olympus's downgrade of the OM-D M10 Mk2 to the 10 Mk3 is less idiotic than Sony's overall package.

[TheFlyingSquirrel]

6 minutes ago, veldora said:

It sucks thats what LTT turned into, a sponsored mess. I haven't watched a LTT video in a long time because of this. 

 

I agree though, Sony headphones are the best. 

Sony headphones can only be considered good if you have never listened to a pair of headphones over $60

[LogicalDrm]

33 minutes ago, okannn_b said:

-When they talk about TVs they keep ignoring the Sony TVs which many reviewers and sites claim that they are the best of the best when it comes to picture quality.

 

Could be because LG sends them stuff to check out, and is quite important partner for LMG (Ultrawide contest, all the presents for Linus etc.). I mean, they have checked cheaper Korean and Chinese TVs also, but nothing really from other major TV brands.

 

33 minutes ago, okannn_b said:

-When they were talking about active noise-cancellation they ignored Sony X1000 series headphones which are a pair of headphones that some say are better than QC35s at active n-c and sound quality.

 

To be honest I've skipped Sony in headphones because they are often too bass heavy. But now I have 2 Sony audio products, neither with too much bass. See point below about marketing.

 

33 minutes ago, okannn_b said:

-When they were talking about GoPro Hero 4 they ignored Sony's action cam options at the time which were better than Hero 4s for sure.

 

As I see it, there's Apple-style issue. GoPro is market leader and innovator, rest are copying and haven't managed to put themselves at front. Hence less coverage unless their marketing and media relation staff actually starts to work. They could well do it like Dyson and send samples to all major Youtubers to test out.

 

33 minutes ago, okannn_b said:

I actually don't know why they did not cover Sony these sony products. Sony products considered the best by many and they are kept in spotlight by many when it comes talking about the best consumer electronics, TVs, headphones etc. I would really appriciate if they do cover them when needed, not because i personally enjoy or like sony products or anything like that but because they deserve to be included in the conversation if LTT is trying to cover and compare the best products for the people.

 

Well, for longest time their main camera's were Sony. @BRollTheIntern's still camera might still be Sony...? So the problem is Sony who are mainly following the trends, not making them.

[Syntaxvgm]

5 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I'd rather see them fail since they take over companies, like Funimation, and then try to segregate those services further. Instead of trying to consolidate gamers on Xbox and PS, they would rather hold their market as ransom regardless of their users' desires. 

 

Funimation will no longer be on Crunchyroll even though Funi and CR have expressed interest in continuing their cooperation, due to Sony stepping in and keeping Funi as their own service. 

 

PlayStation users wanted to have crossplay for ages and Sony held out for nearly two years before Rocket League's push finally gained enough traction to get it done (it isn't up to developers to enable crossplay since Sony has put blocks from doing so). 

 

Their cameras are great, but they tend to overprice them worse than RED does. It almost amazes me that Olympus's downgrade of the OM-D M10 Mk2 to the 10 Mk3 is less idiotic than Sony's overall package.

Oh I do hate them. I hate microsoft's gaming division more, but I hate every part of sony too. 

[GoodBytes]

26 minutes ago, TheFlyingSquirrel said:

I love Sony, owned every PlayStation, Sony z3, and even got my sister a Sony laptop. 

 

Sadly these days Sony just ain't worth the effort, short breakdown why:

• Laptops, not available in any region, always a better device for the money.
• Tablets, overpriced, and poorly supported by Sony.  Samsung, LG, Xiaomi have better value for money
• Phones, After the Z3, they did what Oneplus did without competitive pricing, software support or allowing bootloader unlock.
• Console, only thing competitively priced
• Smart devices, better more compeitively  priced watches available.
• TVs, everyone has already mentioned why
• Headphones, bluetooth is good, Wired, there is always a better product from 60 upwards.

Sony just doesn't have the market share.

Just to say, Sony no longer makes computers since 2014. "Japan Industrial Partners" is the company that bough the brand and devision and now making systems.

 

It is a private company that specializes in buying brands/companies/company divisions, etc. for dirt cheap (usually they have no buyers or not much interesting offers), but they see potential, and know that they can turn it around over a number of years, and resale it at a higher value, making their money back, plus profit, and focuses on another company. At worst, if there is they can't do it, usually these firms will sale the company/division/etc in small parts making their money back, or the most they can, and usually licenses the brand if there is interest.

[TheFlyingSquirrel]

Just now, GoodBytes said:

Just to say, Sony no longer makes computers since 2014. "Japan Industrial Partners" is the company that bough the brand and now making systems. It is a private company that specializes in buying brands/companies/company divisions, etc. for dirt cheap (usually they have no buyers or not much interesting offers), but they know that they can, over a number of years, turn around the brand/products/company and resale it at a higher value, making their money back, plus profit, and focuses on another company. At worst, if there is they an't do it, usually these firms will sale the company/division/etc in small parts making their money back, plus profit, and usually licenses the brand if there is interest.

Explains why I have't seen one in a while, thanks for the information.

[RollTime]

30 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

You're awake LTT lives from sponsoring and paid advertising, Sony has never been interested in paying LTT a dime so LTT has never been interesting in reviewing their products.

 

That's how business work.

I wouldn't necessarily call this true. While I dislike the amount of sponsored stuff on the channel as much as you do, that's not the only reason here. LTT reviews stuff they know will be popular, and that will earn them views. That's still motivated by business, yes, but not just sponsorships. I think a better answer here might be that they won't review Sony stuff because Sony stuff isn't a big launch and isn't really worth the effort of making a video on it.

[GoodBytes]

I think Sony biggest mistake was similar to Dell several years ago, where they made very low cost products to the consumer market.

This has resulted in consumers associating the brand with the experience they got.

 

For example, if you bought, say, 30$ Sony headphones. You'll associate Sony with crappy sounding headphones and that brakes within a few months. So people don't look at Sony premium, better made, headphones. VAIO budget laptops where very poorly made, where they often cracked, and had poor cooling, like Dell really inexpensive systems, and people associated Sony/Dell with cheap quality. Now, Dell turning private, refocused their energy in more premium products, and they are slowly repairing their image. Sony, sadly is having a hard time turning things around. I am sure now they make great products, but people have in their mind their terrible value for the price they got, and their unimpressive quality.

 

Another example: What if I say: HP. I doubt you think of HP as machines with solid build quality and great experience.

You think of glossy lid laptops, terrible manufacture drivers, terrible trackpads, junk junk junk junk preinstalled. This is because HP were pushing these horrible system back in Vista days, to make low cost Vista machines that everyone bought due to their low price. They made everything, 512MB systems on an OS that needed 2GB, terrible GPUs that could not handle Aero (glass effect of Vista), overheating system...every corner that could be cut, they made it. They sold very well, but now their image is so bad, they changed their logo, and now trying to change their brand image.

[LinusTech]

The headphone thing was because I literally just wasn't paying attention and had no idea they should be in the shoot out - had tuned out of headphones for a bit. We already have sonny's offering on order for our upcoming surface headphones video. 

 

As for the TVs, it's not that they aren't good. They have some great stuff in their lineup and had arguably the best HDR TV while everyone was playing catch up last year.. But we don't cover them much for the same reason we don't cover their phones. No one cares..  

 

They've had stand-out features like the TV with vibrating front glass for speakers, but we go to CES every year, and cover Sony every year, and every year they say "let's get things fixed this year and start working together" then they flake out.

 

I tried for months to get a review unit of that TV. They were also the first to get the pitch for a killer project idea I had that I think will do better than World's Most Comfortable Gaming Setup, but they sat on ass for literally months and finally rejected it.

 

That last one was going to be sponsored so I get it if they couldn't do it, but they've been difficult to work with in editorial content as well. 

 

Even those SD cards I think I mentioned in the video that by the time they arrived they weren't new anymore...

 

Edit: funnily enough I just remembered we have a sponsored piece coming up for a Sony soundbar, lol. Good product, but given that sound bars are not a hot category for standalone reviews, it's not something we would have done on our own. 

 

It also highlights another issue - Lots of companies handle paid media engagement totally differently from editorial and might ALSO have different teams for different product lines and regions. Sony is one of those companies that we seem to fall into the "Canadians with an American audience" black hole with. 

 

So for that paid engagement we are dealing with an agency for Sony US, IIRC, but normally we wouldn't. 

 

Hopefully all of that helps

[JoostinOnline]

I recently had my own issues with LMG reviews, but posts like this are just so silly. It's a huge leap from "not covered" to "they hate Sony".