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Apple slows down last year's iPhones with IOS 12.1 | iPhone 8 and X customers beware

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Please stay on-topic and avoid "fanboy" bashing, this type of discourse will (as usual) lead to personal attacks and will end with a thread lock and some warnings.

 

So please, stay level headed and respectful toward each other.

Posted
11 minutes ago, RedRound2 said:

There are alot more bootloops, display issues , etc with the Pixel and most people are quite "yeah software bug" which is completely fine.

Uh....I don't know if you realize that the Google Pixel is among the biggest memes in the forums. Someone even did a News Post over a small bug of it having a second notch because it was just too hilarious even though it isn't the most newsworthy, not compared to exploding Galaxy Notes or slowed iPhones.

4 minutes ago, 2Buck said:

 The company, is a company. They don't care about you, they care about your money. So pick whatever suits your needs, regardless of the brand logo.

My point exactly. Corporations are not saints. They exist for one reason; Profit. That's really all there is to it.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Blademaster91 said:

The planed obsolescence sucks either way but it should prompt you before throttling or there should be some kind of warning like "iPhone detects your battery is worn out and may unexpectedly shut off" if you disable the throttling feature.

I think that's what reading the warning in the settings telling you what happens 

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3 minutes ago, RedRound2 said:

How is a twisted information an objective fact? As I alluded to before the topic could've easily been named into something extremely clear. But with this title, he even mislead me into thinking that iOS 12.1 had huge performance issues. It's purely intentional and that's what I hate.

I don't think it's nearly as serious as you make it out to be. At worst, you got slightly worried for a few seconds before reading the first line in the post.

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13 hours ago, Blademaster91 said:

The same goes for the "chargegate" which were fixed in software, yet somehow completely fine because it's Apple.

I'm sorry what? Who was fine with it? Fanboys went wild with it. It was a software bug that was like fixed in a week and I have no objection for it being a news topic, but what I hate is how haters go wild with a dumb thing like that and overblow it out of proportion.

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But for a news post, you seeing it as "clickbait" is subjective, and considering it hate while wanting what topics to be cherrypicked on shows you have a really clear bias.

Lol no. This is pure clickbait. And to be clear, I don't mind having this news topic on the forum. But it should've been renamed into something like "Apple extended the Throttling Mode to iPhone 8/X with iOS 12.1"  instead of this pure Apple hater fan service of a topic title and content (and the fact that it can be turned off was intentionally omitted) 

 

13 hours ago, Sauron said:

I don't think it's nearly as serious as you make it out to be. At worst, you got slightly worried for a few seconds before reading the first line in the post.

It's not, but this is what I hate about this forum. You rarely ever see a twisted information like this with anything else, but only with Apple topics and Apple thread comments. Me screaming out (not really!) atleast brings it to everyone's attention

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Come to think of it.

 

Everyone is talking about the throttling switch, but no one is talking about the update that bricked some Apple Watch S4s?

 

 

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still got a huawei. won't be slowed down. only cheats in benchmarks. going to upgrade next year tho (oneplus 6t maybe?)

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The update notes clearly stated that they were adding the performance management feature, they clearly stated you could turn it off, and and you don’t have to update but then again that would be a bad think for you in the end. 

 

Most iPhone 8 models are probably in their low 90%-mid 80% range. Not enough for random shutdowns to happen but still nice to have the option. 

 

If I remember correctly the feature is disabled until an unexpected shutdown occurs. (Update: it is disabled until there is an unexpected shutdown)

 

13 hours ago, Ross Siggers said:

If only phones still had replaceable batteries...
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I can replace an iPhone battery in 5min. 

 

14 hours ago, Sauron said:

Nobody else does it, and I don't recall anyone complaining about random shutdowns due to the battery with any other phones.

You weren’t around much in 2012 were you?

 

13 hours ago, RedRound2 said:

t's not written clearly anywhere that there is an option to turn off this mode

Well it isn’t on by default. It only kicks in if the phone has a battery related unexpected shutdown. 

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35 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

The update notes clearly stated that they were adding the performance management feature, they clearly stated you could turn it off, and and you don’t have to update but then again that would be a bad think for you in the end. 

The detailed notes under “Learn More” documents it. The update notes shown directly on the update screen doesn't include any mention of it. Although I would argue that it would still be insufficient if it was on the main update screen (which it's not) -- there should be a pop-up saying that it has been toggled on (when it is) -- which in fairness, is possible.

 

But yes, it does only kick in if an unexpected shutdown occurs.

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I don't think the performance drop is gonna be huge, but then again I don't have an iPhone myself from last year nor from any year for that matter. At least there's an option to turn it off I guess... Still, I think as a known manufacture you should develop batteries that could last longer instead of always focusing on other things that aren't that super important to customers. 

 

3 hours ago, Sauron said:

That's weird, I have a nexus 7 from 2012 and the battery is still in great conditions. Still, your G3 hasn't really shut off randomly, has it? Running out of battery is not what's being discussed.

Got the Nexus 7 WiFi from 2012 myself as well. Battery has slightly degraded I think but it still holds up pretty good. Shame that the performance has dropped immensely over the years. Could be the ROM I'm using or just the 1GB of RAM or the internal flash drive. Either way, it's still somewhat usable for basic browsing and such. 

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13 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

This whole thread is misleading. I just updated my iPhone X to IOS 12.1 to see what the option looked like. Well what do you know the "On by Default" means if your phone shuts down because of the battery being too degraded it will start to throttle so it doesn't happen again. You can also still turn it off. As for "Users beware!" My iPhone X battery is at 99% so it's a long ways away from 80% or less degraded. So to say they are throttling 8 and x customers is flat out wrong as the batteries haven't been used long enough for it to take effect.

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How is it planned obsolescence if they are making the phones last longer? 

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Just now, RorzNZ said:

How is it planned obsolescence if they are making the phones last longer? 

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3 hours ago, RedRound2 said:

I'd like to see some proof for this.

Apple phones do last a long time. Average US person holds onto an iPhone for almost 3 years, which is alot better than average lifespan of an android phone. An no, one person still having original Nexus doesn't automatically mean all Android phones last for over 10 years

Considering majority of android phones out in the wild aren't premium phones and are budget phones that my mom would buy because it costs $30. Those tend not to last long but premium phones from apple and premium phones running android last about the same (depending on the user.)

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1 hour ago, Master Delta Chief said:

I don't think the performance drop is gonna be huge, but then again I don't have an iPhone myself from last year nor from any year for that matter. At least there's an option to turn it off I guess... Still, I think as a known manufacture you should develop batteries that could last longer instead of always focusing on other things that aren't that super important to customers. 

The extent of the throttling likely depends on how degraded the battery is. 

19 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I just updated my iPhone X to IOS 12.1 to see what the option looked like. Well what do you know the "On by Default" means if your phone shuts down because of the battery being too degraded it will start to throttle so it doesn't happen again. 

As far as I know, the throttling behavior is inactive until the phone sees the battery is degraded to the point where an unexpected shutdown is likely when strained a little. If it does happen, then it will kick in unless the user has flipped the switch the other way once it's active. 

 

The iPhone X is not exactly a year old yet (since the day customers bought them), so the battery should not be degraded to that point. It was more obvious on the smaller iPhone 6-8 since they packed sub-2000mAh batteries which wouldn't have aged well but the X is significantly larger in terms of overall capacity. 

 

I still think the notification center should've had that little persistent notification, however 

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Just now, D13H4RD said:

The extent of the throttling likely depends on how degraded the battery is. 

As far as I know, the throttling behavior is inactive until the phone sees the battery is degraded to the point where an unexpected shutdown is likely when strained a little. If it does happen, then it will kick in unless the user has flipped the switch the other way once it's active. 

 

I still think the notification center should've had that little persistent notification, however 

It tells you after ir unexpectedly shuts down and turns on the throttling. When you go into the settings it provides info with links for more details and everything

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

It tells you after ir unexpectedly shuts down and turns on the throttling. When you go into the settings it provides info with links for more details and everything

I mean like on macOS. 

 

When the battery on a MacBook requires a replacement, it does tell you on the battery icon that it requires servicing. 

 

I think the iPhone should have a similar system. A persistent notification on the notification center alongside a little exclamation point in the battery indicator. 

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1 minute ago, D13H4RD said:

I mean like on macOS. 

 

When the battery on a MacBook requires a replacement, it does tell you on the battery icon that it requires servicing. 

 

I think the iPhone should have a similar system. A persistent notification on the notification center alongside a little exclamation point in the battery indicator. 

Pretty sure it does. It's not in the notification center but if you go into battery it will say

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Just now, BuckGup said:

Pretty sure it does. It's not in the notification center but if you go into battery it will say

Yeah, that I feel can be improved since I don't think many people poke around in battery settings too often. 

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2 minutes ago, D13H4RD said:

Yeah, that I feel can be improved since I don't think many people poke around in battery settings too often. 

Yeah probably not

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7 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

It tells you after ir unexpectedly shuts down and turns on the throttling. When you go into the settings it provides info with links for more details and everything

My only point of problem is if it enables the throttling without warning you (after an unexpected shutdown occurs) -- there should be a pop-up upon reboot if a shutdown occurs saying that throttling has been enabled because 'blah'. Now, it might entirely be the case that it works that way, there's no way anyone can know the answer to that question until the issue actually occurs in the real world.

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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah probably not

Hence, whenever someone asks me why their iPhones got slower, I pointed them to the battery settings. 

 

It's good that they give you the option (they should've done this from the very beginning IMO, so they wouldn't have got themselves into hot water) but I think it should be made a bit more obvious as to how and why their phones are being limited. I don't know if they do pop ups, but I'm also concerned that users might dismiss them. 

 

I don't think the X is going to degrade to the point of shutting down as of now (unless you fast and wireless charge all the time whilst using it in the desert) but it might be close for the small iPhone 8

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3 hours ago, Ross Siggers said:

If only phones still had replaceable batteries...

*wistful sigh* 

 

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

I can replace an iPhone battery in 5min. 

 

Is this some kind of weird flex?

Clearly this is not the case with the majority of consumers... hell it's probably not the case with the majority on this forum either. Which kind of makes it a moot point in the discussion. 


 

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2 minutes ago, Ross Siggers said:

Is this some kind of weird flex?

Clearly this is not the case with the majority of consumers... hell it's probably not the case with the majority on this forum either. Which kind of makes it a moot point in the discussion. 

Actually, it is possible to replace the battery in the iPhone in 10-15 minutes, provided you have the tools since it's a touch more complex than phones with user-replaceable batteries. An iFixit toolkit or a basic toolset for electronics should be fine. 

 

Budget more time for the iPhone 7 and newer due to the extra adhesive. 

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1 minute ago, D13H4RD said:

Budget more time for the iPhone 7 and newer due to the extra adhesive. 

I would say the extra time comes from managing the Tri-point screws tbh. 

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