STOP GPU ABUSE! #GPURESCUE By Corsair

[Guanzo]

 

[Levent]

it aint april yet.

[Guest]

It is the thirtieth of March, so way too early.

[Quadriplegic]

This is pure gold

[kelvinhall05]

*sniff* so emotional *wipes away tears*

[Jurrunio]

Not like they sell graphics cards at all, they can say whatever marketing team wants.

[Blademaster91]

This is great LOL.

Bitcoin accepted as payment at the end of the vid. 

[AngryBeaver]

Ok, I will bite.

 

I am both a gamer and a miner and I can tell you this...

 

When it comes to what is harder on my cards.. gaming is by far harder on them.

 

Why? Well let me list a few ways gaming is bad on cards

• Thermal Cycling (idle to gaming then back to idle) This causes micro fractures in the solder on these cards
• Games are more physically demanding on the card.
• Gaming cards are often overclocked and overvolted to achieve this.

Things to know about mining cards.

• Maintain a constant temp for long periods of time (less thermal cycling)
• Mining is much less demanding on a card because it is mainly just crunching numbers
• Mining cards run custom bios that boost their ability to crunch numbers while also undervolting the cards (reducing heat) so that they are more efficient and make for better profits.

 

 

Now there are some people out there that miss treat their mining cards, but anyone that is serious about it and actually making a dent in the card market is doing what I say above. You could run out and pick up a card used for mining for 2 years.. toss the original bios on it and run it without issue or worry that it would die faster than any other card. Buying a card from a gamer is actually much more risky because you don't know how far or long they pushed those cards or how much thermal cycling has degraded the solder.

 

On top of that a miner utilizes the card much better and in the end isn't that what the card wants? Maybe you should be focusing more on the abused gaming cards.

[Intelfreak]

We need to save them for god sake. They are suffering...

 

[porina]

4 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

This is great LOL.

Bitcoin accepted as payment at the end of the vid. 

Yeah, that's the first big LOL moment I had in a while...

[Crunchy Dragon]

-Threads merged-

 

Please refrain from reposting your content.

[Energycore]

Oh the Bitcoin sign at the end! Golden

[Mira Yurizaki]

28 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

-Snip.-

I'd say for all intents and purposes, both use cases are equally punishing to a graphics card.

 

Higher temperatures reduce the lifespan of electronics. The rule of thumb is reduce the life by half every 10C you subject it to. And it's not just the GPU, but all of the other components around it, especially hot spots like the VRMs. Granted there's no real study on how long these are supposed to last, but higher operational temperature still has an impact on the lifespan of the component. Thermal cycling is more of a mechanical issue which can still be mitigated.

 

I also don't buy the reason the "games are more stressful than mining" To the GPU, a workload is a workload. It's crunching numbers regardless of what those numbers really mean in the end. If mining is less stressful, it's not utilizing the GPU to its fullest. Which doesn't make sense to me when mining is about getting as much work done as possible. The only part that wouldn't be stressful is mining is it's likely not use VRAM as much depending on the algorithm, and fewer VRAM transfers is less stressful technically overall, but if we're just looking at the GPU, they both should be the same.

 

Overclocking is a thermal issue. Overvolting does have some impact on usable life as well in that it allows for higher amounts of current to go through (which might be a cause of electromigration), but between the two of these, they're both mostly a thermal issue. And again, I haven't found a study that discusses the usable life of components so it's all indefinite at this point.

[AngryBeaver]

2 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I'd say for all intents and purposes, both use cases are equally punishing to a graphics card.

 

Higher temperatures reduce the lifespan of electronics. The rule of thumb is reduce the life by half every 10C you subject it to. And it's not just the GPU, but all of the other components around it, especially hot spots like the VRMs. Granted there's no real study on how long these are supposed to last, but higher operational temperature still has an impact on the lifespan of the component. Thermal cycling is more of a mechanical issue which can still be mitigated.

 

I also don't buy the reason the "games are more stressful than mining" To the GPU, a workload is a workload. It's crunching numbers regardless of what those numbers really mean in the end. If mining is less stressful, it's not utilizing the GPU to its fullest. Which doesn't make sense to me when mining is about getting as much work done as possible. The only part that wouldn't be stressful is mining is it's likely not use VRAM as much depending on the algorithm, and fewer VRAM transfers is less stressful technically overall, but if we're just looking at the GPU, they both should be the same.

 

Overclocking is a thermal issue. Overvolting does have some impact on usable life as well in that it allows for higher amounts of current to go through (which might be a cause of electromigration), but between the two of these, they're both mostly a thermal issue. And again, I haven't found a study that discusses the usable life of components so it's all indefinite at this point.

The reason  I say it is less of a workload than gaming is that you can see a clear temp difference with stock settings between the two.

 

If I am running a demanding game I might see temps on a card hit 75-80c

When I run the card full out mining I might see temps in the 55-60c range

 

The way numbers are crunched or the things being processed does change drastically between the two. GPU's might not have as many as say a cpu, but they do have instruction sets. For example try running a stress test on a cpu with avx off and then with it on... you will see a huge power draw and temp difference. That is how it works for mining vs gaming.

[The Blackhat]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

Not like they sell graphics cards at all, they can say whatever marketing team wants.

Corsair does sell cards though, partnered with MSI

[The Blackhat]

4 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

The reason  I say it is less of a workload than gaming is that you can see a clear temp difference with stock settings between the two.

 

If I am running a demanding game I might see temps on a card hit 75-80c

When I run the card full out mining I might see temps in the 55-60c range

 

The way numbers are crunched or the things being processed does change drastically between the two. GPU's might not have as many as say a cpu, but they do have instruction sets. For example try running a stress test on a cpu with avx off and then with it on... you will see a huge power draw and temp difference. That is how it works for mining vs gaming.

And the fact that many miners run both a power likit and a fan speed set, but the core isn’t even the most damaged thing in a card, its the power components, which are put under less stress running mining at a 70% limit 24/7, then gaming at 156% with gpu boost pulling obscenious amounts of power,  all very good points

[2FA]

5 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

The reason  I say it is less of a workload than gaming is that you can see a clear temp difference with stock settings between the two.

 

If I am running a demanding game I might see temps on a card hit 75-80c

When I run the card full out mining I might see temps in the 55-60c range

 

The way numbers are crunched or the things being processed does change drastically between the two. GPU's might not have as many as say a cpu, but they do have instruction sets. For example try running a stress test on a cpu with avx off and then with it on... you will see a huge power draw and temp difference. That is how it works for mining vs gaming.

The heat from the CPU is making the GPU hotter while gaming.

 

Also the different crypto algorithms affect how much heat is actually produced, some cause a lot more heat than others.

[Mira Yurizaki]

7 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

The reason  I say it is less of a workload than gaming is that you can see a clear temp difference with stock settings between the two.

 

If I am running a demanding game I might see temps on a card hit 75-80c

When I run the card full out mining I might see temps in the 55-60c range

 

The way numbers are crunched or the things being processed does change drastically between the two. GPU's might not have as many as say a cpu, but they do have instruction sets. For example try running a stress test on a cpu with avx off and then with it on... you will see a huge power draw and temp difference. That is how it works for mining vs gaming.

You're also running the card, if I read your previous post correctly, undervolted and possibly not boosted, both which have a direct impact on the operating temperature.

 

AVX also causes a larger power draw and temperature difference because for some reason it boosts the processor's voltage. I can't find a reason why AVX needs to do this to operate, other than AVX is a SIMD instruction set for crunching large sets of numbers (so it needs more voltage to open the floodgates?)... which is what a GPU is supposed to do anyway.

[Ithanul]

Nope, I abuse my GPUs.  Not stopping it either.

 

   Though, I vary the abuse from a bit of gaming, benching, F@H, BOINC (PrimeGrid can make big amount of heat), and a bit of mining once and awhile.  Or, for giggles make it do render tests.  Great space heaters in winter.  Though, I do miss my Fermis, those could heat a house.

 

Interestingly enough, I only so far lost hardware to folding and BOINC.  Had a OG Titan go belly up while folding, had a PSU go off in a loud flashy bang, and now a 5960X that decided to no longer boot.  I did a temperature compare one time.  Mining barely gets my hardware hot compare to gaming or when folding/BOINC.

 

 

[minervx]

yall be silly.  miners are treating their cards like a baby, while gamers are overclocking them to make computer games look 2% better

[Razor Blade]

Am I the only gamer that doesn't overclock his GPU? It runs my games just fine.

 

Also anyone can kill a graphics card faster by not doing maintenance and getting rid of heat. A computer running all the time seems to always collect exponentially more dirt than one that is used and shut down...

 

I did find it hilarious at the end of the video they would accept bitcoin. Great April fools video Corsair!

[Blademaster91]

5 hours ago, AngryBeaver said:

 

Now there are some people out there that miss treat their mining cards, but anyone that is serious about it and actually making a dent in the card market is doing what I say above. You could run out and pick up a card used for mining for 2 years.. toss the original bios on it and run it without issue or worry that it would die faster than any other card. Buying a card from a gamer is actually much more risky because you don't know how far or long they pushed those cards or how much thermal cycling has degraded the solder.

On top of that a miner utilizes the card much better and in the end isn't that what the card wants? Maybe you should be focusing more on the abused gaming cards.

Is thermal cycling still really a thing for the gpu itself? I haven't seen many cards fail due to bad solder contacts between the gpu and pcb in quite a while.

Games aren't using the card 24/7 wearing out the fans and putting wear on the capacitors,mining is more intensive on the memory which has limited write cycles.

Most gamers are going to use the card for a few hours and let it idle or power it off for the night if the system is just for gaming.

Personally I haven't seen the need to actually overclock a GPU when GPU boost does enough with the core clock, anything more manually is a few fps.

Most miners are probably going to skim through a reddit post and throw a mining rig together, but either way most are going to lie about what they used the card for. I've seen plenty of ebay listings where the seller has a pile of GPU boxes or multiple listings of the same card but says "it was never used for bitcoin mining".

21 minutes ago, minervx said:

yall be silly.  miners are treating their cards like a baby, while gamers are overclocking them to make computer games look 2% better

How are miners babying their cards when they run them 24/7 while wearing out the fans and VRAM? Most gamers I know of take it out of the box and use it, at most using the software tool it comes with that has the auto "superclock" feature overclocking the card another 80Mhz or so.

[MrRavens]

Save the GPUs man! (Q_Q )

[Crunchy Dragon]

9 minutes ago, Razor02097 said:

Am I the only gamer that doesn't overclock his GPU? It runs my games just fine.

I probably could run games at stock settings on my 780, but I overclocked it just to help it along. It is after all, 3 generations old. Holds up pretty well in most of the games I play at 1080p Medium except for PUBG....

[The Blackhat]

30 minutes ago, minervx said:

yall be silly.  miners are treating their cards like a baby, while gamers are overclocking them to make computer games look 2% better

Lol, I overclcoked the shit out of a 1050 ti, i really needed that extra 5 fps