Cryptomining after math

[wogleb12]

Just browsing the buy and sell page of facebook and this person wants nearly brand new prices for cards that have been mined upon, this is why system builders nowadays are paying top dollar  

 

 

 

 

[mikat]

LOL $1100 for a 1080ti that has been mined on! LMAO IN YOUR DREAMS

[AshleyAshes]

2 minutes ago, mikat said:

LOL $1100 for a 1080ti that has been mined on! LMAO IN YOUR DREAMS

That's in AUD though, or about 850 USD if you directly convert it.

[Mooshi]

Some people deserve a good fist to the face.

[Revamp]

Idk why people always get worked up over "mined on", if a gamer sells his gpu at $xxxx, the card is worth the same as a "mined on" card of the same model... In all honesty, a lot of times, miners take better care of their cards than everyday gamers lol.

[Murasaki]

This has pretty been common for a while now.

[TheKDub]

1 minute ago, Revamp said:

Idk why people always get worked up over "mined on", if a gamer sells his gpu at $xxxx, the card is worth the same as a "mined on" card of the same model... In all honesty, a lot of times, miners take better care of their cards than everyday gamers lol.

Keep in mind that miner cards would likely have been run at max load 24/7 for who knows how long, whereas a card used by a gamer would've seen maybe a few hours a day at a wide range of possible load levels.

[Mooshi]

3 minutes ago, Revamp said:

In all honesty, a lot of times, miners take better care of their cards than everyday gamers lol.

Yeah, maxing them out for far greater periods of time is totally better looked after. /s

[Purgent]

There is no evidence I've ever seen that shows GPUs that have been mined on are in some way deficient to those that haven't. 

 

I have multiple cards I've ran 24/7 since 2015 with zero problems at max overclock.  I also know numerous others who can say the same.

 

As with everything, YMMV.

[Lurick]

22 minutes ago, mikat said:

LOL $1100 for a 1080ti that has been mined on! LMAO IN YOUR DREAMS

You do know that it says "everything BUT the 1080Ti has been mined on"

[Mira Yurizaki]

That face when selling used cards for MSRP.

[bcredeur97]

27 minutes ago, Revamp said:

Idk why people always get worked up over "mined on", if a gamer sells his gpu at $xxxx, the card is worth the same as a "mined on" card of the same model... In all honesty, a lot of times, miners take better care of their cards than everyday gamers lol.

 

24 minutes ago, TheKDub said:

Keep in mind that miner cards would likely have been run at max load 24/7 for who knows how long, whereas a card used by a gamer would've seen maybe a few hours a day at a wide range of possible load levels.

not true in most cases, cards are far more efficient when utlized in the 60-70% power range. and they run cooler, fans don't have to spin as fast, it's just better....

the miners who have the pay for electricity will more than likely be running the efficiently as such.

 

I know a GTX 1080 mining at a 65% power target, will usually run in the 60's (celcius) with the fan in the 40-50% range. It's really not bad at all... in the case of those cards.


I also had 2 6970's back in the day that I bought USED, and then mined with for 1.5 years, then gamed on in crossfire till early 2017 when I got a GTX 970. they were fine... and those two were run at FULL load because I had free electricity where I was running them at the time. One of them is actually still owned by a member of this forum that I sold it to, and supposedly it's still working fine.

 

so wheras with gaming I'll frequently run cards at the max TDP the card will allow... because I want ALL DA FRAMES, with mining, most people are far more careful because you have to manage cost to run.

[vong]

What? They're like a couple hundred cheaper than what retailers are selling them for but they do almost cost the same as before the mining boom. There seems to still be a high demand for GPU's since I saw PCCG sellout all of their new founder's edition inventory almost immediately including the Titan Xp and V

[wogleb12]

https://www.umart.com.au/Nvidia_C.html?id=672&brand=5&price_min=&price_max=&filter=0 (Nvidia)
https://www.umart.com.au/AMD_673C.html (AMD)

i have linked what prices brand new cost please note these are AUD$ 

[mr moose]

49 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

That's in AUD though, or about 850 USD if you directly convert it.

You can get a 1080ti for $1200-$1350 brand new from most retailers in Australia.    We are not suffering the price gouging as much as the US are. 

 

https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA/68713-ZT-P10810B-10P

https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA/67943-GV-N108TGAMING-OC-11GD

 

[potoooooooo]

For AUD, those prices are pretty reasonable

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, potoooooooo said:

For AUD, those prices are pretty reasonable

The new prices or what he is asking?

 

Because what he is asking is only reasonable for a product that was bough within the last 2 months.   If they have been used for mining (most likely) I can guarantee he is either selling because it isn't profitable with Australia's electricity prices (in other words he has flogged them and not turned enough profit), or it's only profitable if he sells them just before they die and at almost new prices. That way he is only paying $200 tops for the cards to use them for 11 months then selling before the warranty expires.  Either way they have worked hard and should be considerably less than that. 

 

If this type thing continues to happen hardware (because it is built with components rated for X hours @ X temperature.  They should have counters in the firmware.  Then people would know exactly what they are buying just like a cars odometer.

[Blademaster91]

2 hours ago, Revamp said:

Idk why people always get worked up over "mined on", if a gamer sells his gpu at $xxxx, the card is worth the same as a "mined on" card of the same model... In all honesty, a lot of times, miners take better care of their cards than everyday gamers lol.

The average "everyday gamer" doesn't put a load on their card 24/7,the thing to worry about on used miner cards isn't the GPU or VRM's,the memory only handles so many writes and could leave you with a bricked card at any time.

40 minutes ago, mr moose said:

The new prices or what he is asking?

Because what he is asking is only reasonable for a product that was bough within the last 2 months.   If they have been used for mining (most likely) I can guarantee he is either selling because it isn't profitable with Australia's electricity prices (in other words he has flogged them and not turned enough profit), or it's only profitable if he sells them just before they die and at almost new prices. That way he is only paying $200 tops for the cards to use them for 11 months then selling before the warranty expires.  Either way they have worked hard and should be considerably less than that. 

If this type thing continues to happen hardware (because it is built with components rated for X hours @ X temperature.  They should have counters in the firmware.  Then people would know exactly what they are buying just like a cars odometer.

I think the firmware logging the cards average load and temps would be great,but miners would probably figure out a way to modify it since most don't admit it was used for mining.  Is $1200AUD normal? North America prices for 1080ti at launch was around $800-900,though at least you guys can actually buy a card new lol.

[wogleb12]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

The new prices or what he is asking?

 

Because what he is asking is only reasonable for a product that was bough within the last 2 months.   If they have been used for mining (most likely) I can guarantee he is either selling because it isn't profitable with Australia's electricity prices (in other words he has flogged them and not turned enough profit), or it's only profitable if he sells them just before they die and at almost new prices. That way he is only paying $200 tops for the cards to use them for 11 months then selling before the warranty expires.  Either way they have worked hard and should be considerably less than that. 

 

If this type thing continues to happen hardware (because it is built with components rated for X hours @ X temperature.  They should have counters in the firmware.  Then people would know exactly what they are buying just like a cars odometer.

yeah the cost of living in Australia is pretty high 

[mr moose]

37 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

The average "everyday gamer" doesn't put a load on their card 24/7,the thing to worry about on used miner cards isn't the GPU or VRM's,the memory only handles so many writes and could leave you with a bricked card at any time.

I think the firmware logging the cards average load and temps would be great,but miners would probably figure out a way to modify it since most don't admit it was used for mining.  Is $1200AUD normal? North America prices for 1080ti at launch was around $800-900,though at least you guys can actually buy a card new lol.

It really depends on the version (as they weren't all released at the same time) but on average my observation is they have gone up about 200-300 since 2016.  Mining hasn;t had the same overnight or extreme effects here as it has other places.

 

My guess is if this bloke sells these cards it is because there is always a drongo out there willing to pay too much for an unknown.

[Canada EH]

3 hours ago, Mooshi said:

Some people deserve a good fist to the face.

face? lol lol no no no

in the behind

with gravel

[dizmo]

What some random is asking on a buy and sell forum has no affect whatsoever on what a system builder pays.

I have no idea why you correlate those two.

[Shiftstealth]

9 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

 

not true in most cases, cards are far more efficient when utlized in the 60-70% power range. and they run cooler, fans don't have to spin as fast, it's just better....

the miners who have the pay for electricity will more than likely be running the efficiently as such.

 

I know a GTX 1080 mining at a 65% power target, will usually run in the 60's (celcius) with the fan in the 40-50% range. It's really not bad at all... in the case of those cards.


I also had 2 6970's back in the day that I bought USED, and then mined with for 1.5 years, then gamed on in crossfire till early 2017 when I got a GTX 970. they were fine... and those two were run at FULL load because I had free electricity where I was running them at the time. One of them is actually still owned by a member of this forum that I sold it to, and supposedly it's still working fine.

 

so wheras with gaming I'll frequently run cards at the max TDP the card will allow... because I want ALL DA FRAMES, with mining, most people are far more careful because you have to manage cost to run.

I don't think anyone is actually concerned about the silicon. The fans, which have actual bearings wear out. You have to replace car bearings eventually too right? A fair amount of video cards combat this now by idling with fans off at higher idle temps, than to wear down fan bearings and receive RMA's. 

[pas008]

my 2 cents seller is being honest which through his reciepts can show which isnt alot of time

my 2nd cent is most miner undervolt and downclock for the risk of resell ability ,

maybe these cards should be designed to run 24/7, cpus are why shouldnt another piece of silicone be designed to do teh same?>

 

oh wait voltage and temps kill a processor in general

if cards are still under warranty and have open enrollment for warranty then why not?

[meenmeen1103]

I wouldn't pay anywhere near those prices, but lucky for that seller I bet some chump will. 

 

11 hours ago, ModuleLFS said:

 

I know what the rest of that Felix looks like, you're a man of culture