The President of the US has meeting to discuss video games and violence

[Eduard the weeb]

NO POLITICS, KEEP THIS CIVIL 

 

Original Articles - The Verge https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/8/17098230/trumps-video-game-violence-meeting-esa

                        - The Washington Post  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2018/03/08/inside-trumps-private-meeting-with-the-video-game-industry-and-its-critics/?utm_term=.c5724ad7bf1e

 

In wake of recent events, US president Donald Trump has meet with those of both side of the discussion about if video games desensitize the players to violence

 

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The proceedings were closed to the press, but by all accounts, the meeting was a strange one. The president opened the meeting by showing a supercut of hyperviolent gameplay scenes drawn largely from the Call of Duty series — a compilation that was later posted to the White House’s official YouTube account. According to The Washington Post, the president asked the group, “This is violent, isn’t it?” after the video ended. - The Verge

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Video-game executives who attended the meeting Thursday included Robert Altman, the CEO of ZeniMax, the parent company for games such as Fallout; Strauss Zelnick, the chief executive of Take Two Interactive, which is known for Grand Theft Auto, and Michael Gallagher, the leader of the Entertainment Software Association, a Washington-focused lobbying organization for the industry. -  The Washington Post

 

 

I personally think this meeting was pointless, because there were lobbyist of both sides there, but no scientist were there, so all things presented were just baseless claims that would be hard to refute by either side, I understand that precautions need to be taken so events like that which transpired in Florida never happen again, but if this seriously doesn't seem like and answer to me.

[Shreyas1]

I think this was already posted?

 

also, cod isnt that violent at all, its just really popular and therefore scapegoated often. 

[Eduard the weeb]

1 minute ago, Shreyas1 said:

I think this was already posted?

 

also, cod isnt that violent at all, its just really popular and therefore scapegoated often. 

all I saw was about trump and first amendment, but that was all I think

[DoctorWho1975]

Since I play ESO does this mean inherently I'm going to grab a long sword and chop some cats head off?

[Max_Settings]

Repost

 

[Shreyas1]

Just now, Eduard the weeb said:

all I saw was about trump and first amendment, but that was all I think

 

[Majinhoju]

Well the current administration and their supporters pretty much have a do nothing stance on anything related to gun control and want to kill any sort of publicly funded health care (which could address mental health too), so I suppose what's next step is to find a scapegoat in some half ass way to look like they're actually doing something about it.

 

Sorry if my statement was somewhat political, i couldn't think of another response.

[Eduard the weeb]

1 minute ago, Max_Settings said:

Repost

 

Soory, I thought this was new because was a new meeting If I am correct

[minervx]

If 50 million people play games and like 5-10 of them become violent mass murderers, that's clearly a very weak correlation.

[Castdeath97]

12 minutes ago, Max_Settings said:

Repost

 

 

14 minutes ago, Shreyas1 said:

I think this was already posted?

 

also, cod isnt that violent at all, its just really popular and therefore scapegoated often. 

This post isn't actually a repost, the older post was about the announcement and this is about the actual meeting. Might be better to have this as an update to other post maybe, but I guess this is up to the mods.

[minervx]

There's no way to not make this thread political.  In the US it's just plain reality that many citizens rountinely blame a random group of people for the country's problems.

[Lurick]

One of the quotes from a couple people attending the meeting should make it clear why nobody will listen:

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Bozell said he also communicated to Trump a need for “much tougher regulation” of the video-game industry, stressing that violent games “needed to be given the same kind of thought as tobacco and liquor.”

Hartzler, meanwhile, said she’s open to crafting legislation that would make it harder for youngsters to buy violent games.

“Even though I know there are studies that have said there is no causal link, as a mom and a former high school teacher, it just intuitively seems that prolonged viewing of violent nature would desensitize a young person,” she said.

 

When the people against something come out and say "I know science and all this research says it's not true but my gut tells me otherwise" then I just don't see any hope of getting through to them. No matter how much you show them they will always turn away everything you show them with some baseless argument like that and ignore it because they don't want to deal with the real problem.

 

Please note that I know it's both sides who have these problems, this just happens to be one instance of one side for one argument.

[2FA]

5 minutes ago, Lurick said:

One of the quotes from a couple people attending the meeting should make it clear why nobody will listen:

 

When the people against something come out and say "I know science and all this research says it's not true but my gut tells me otherwise" then I just don't see any hope of getting through to them. No matter how much you show them they will always turn away everything you show them with some baseless argument like that and ignore it because they don't want to deal with the real problem.

 

Please note that I know it's both sides who have these problems, this just happens to be one instance of one side for one argument.

I don't remember exactly but it's something like 70% of people won't change their opinion even if facts are presented to show otherwise.

[Crunchy Dragon]

24 minutes ago, Castdeath97 said:

This post isn't actually a repost, the older post was about the announcement and this is about the actual meeting. Might be better to have this as an update to other post maybe, but I guess this is up to the mods.

If this post isn't a repost, it's staying put.

 

Keep it civil though guys

6 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

I don't remember exactly but it's something like 70% of people won't change their opinion even if facts are presented to show otherwise.

Like the console players

(justkidding)

[SansVarnic]

Same thing happened after Columbine and even then it was "discovered" through a number of studies that video games were neither the trigger or could be held responsible even though the two involved used a cracked Nintendo to design and trial their plans. Video games do not instigate violent thought, if this was the case then I can make the same argument about a great number of other things including books.

 

 

*edit to add

Lets not hate the player lets hate the game.

Lets not hate on the person doing the deed, lets hate on the tool(s) used... 

Again lets not focus on the problem but on the scapegoat we can use.

Edited March 9, 2018 by SansVarnic

[DoctorWho1975]

118% of all facts are made up.

[Castdeath97]

25 minutes ago, Lurick said:

One of the quotes from a couple people attending the meeting should make it clear why nobody will listen:

 

When the people against something come out and say "I know science and all this research says it's not true but my gut tells me otherwise" then I just don't see any hope of getting through to them. No matter how much you show them they will always turn away everything you show them with some baseless argument like that and ignore it because they don't want to deal with the real problem.

 

Please note that I know it's both sides who have these problems, this just happens to be one instance of one side for one argument.

It's almost as if they are trying to derail the discussion and are trying to find a scapegoat instead of fixing the actual issues. I don't want to get into the politics, but I just want to say whether you think this is due to poor gun controls or not is irrelevant, but what is true for sure is that it isn't due to video games. This is just a waste of time....

[Drak3]

37 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

Lets not hate the player lets hate the game.

Lets not hate on the person doing the deed, lets hate on the tool(s) used... 

Again lets not focus on the problem but on the scapegoat we can use.

Well said, Yagimimi.

[aezakmi]

cod violent... sure pal

 

even the blood effects are censored

[ARikozuM]

Fallout literally has nuclear bombs as weapons and body parts that can disintegrate... and we're looking at Call of Duty for a comical blood "spurt" or "splatter" followed by a [Charlie Chaplin] slip-o-death... 

 

My disappointment has leveled up... unfortunately. 

[mr moose]

4 hours ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

I don't remember exactly but it's something like 70% of people won't change their opinion even if facts are presented to show otherwise.

It's a lot, unfortunately even very intelligent people do this.   It is a well documented phenomenon in psychology.

[mr moose]

5 hours ago, Eduard the weeb said:

 

I personally think this meeting was pointless, because there were lobbyist of both sides there, but no scientist were there,

They only get scientists in when the science agrees with their angle.  The rest of the time it's just lip service, invite the lobbyists to make it look like they are doing something.

[leadeater]

2 minutes ago, mr moose said:

It's a lot, unfortunately even very intelligent people do this.   It is a well documented phenomenon in psychology.

 

4 hours ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

I don't remember exactly but it's something like 70% of people won't change their opinion even if facts are presented to show otherwise.

 

Show me the evidence that this is actually true and I won't believe it 

[mr moose]

4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

 

 

Show me the evidence that this is actually true and I won't believe it 

I am resisting the urge to post 3 links to articles proving that you won't believe what they say.

[Okjoek]

5 hours ago, Eduard the weeb said:

all I saw was about trump and first amendment, but that was all I think

Well that was my thread that got locked this morning (I disagree with the mods on that one), but I do remember hearing this story already, I can't recall if on this forum or not.