The President of the US has meeting to discuss video games and violence

[ARikozuM]

9 minutes ago, mr moose said:

 

I believe most cancers were around then too, the difference is most people died before they were old enough to get cancer.

*die of*

 

At this point, I would start asking "how are these kids getting the guns?". Are the parents or gun owners not taking special precautions with firearms? Are the guns essentially hidden away as conspicuously as those teenage porno mags we all had? (DON"T LIE, MOTHAFOCKAS!)

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

*die of*

die of, get or hold to account at the cellular level?  I think I was just be facetious more than anything.

 

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

At this point, I would start asking "how are these kids getting the guns?". Are the parents or gun owners not taking special precautions with firearms? Are the guns essentially hidden away as conspicuously as those teenage porno mags we all had? (DON"T LIE, MOTHAFOCKAS!)

This is a good point,  There is no point in tightening gun acquisition laws if they can still be stolen easily.   

 

 

The saddest thing about these discussions is that people want all the rights to own, buy and use said weapons, but none of the responsibility.  

[ARikozuM]

Just now, mr moose said:

The saddest thing about these discussions is that people want all the rights to own, buy and use said weapons, but none of the responsibility.  

My gun is in a fingerprint box in a locked desk drawer. Close enough to obtain and use, far enough to not need it. Getting a CCW permit in NJ requires a well-written letter clearly stating why you believe that you should be allowed to concealed carry a handgun, what dangers you perceive yourself to be under (saying that the neighbor likes Trump doesn't count), and that your record have no prior infractions (I believe any felony or misdemeanor automatically excludes you from getting the license). Florida has you fill out a form and do some basic tasks (I did it at the Sheriffs Office, others may be different) before signing or denying your CCW. 

[ravenshrike]

31 minutes ago, asus killer said:

i guess if you follow that logic cancer is a weapon that kills more than guns and cars. We could avoid deaths by cars by all walking everywhere i guess.

No, you could avoid car deaths by mechanically and electronically limiting vehicles to 30mph with a 0-30 acceleration time of 10 seconds and two feet of foam padding on the front and rear of the cars. That would eliminate 90%+ of car deaths. Yet not a single country has done so. It's almost as if people want to ban guns because of irrational fear and a need for the illusion of control, not because of the people dying.

28 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

The amount of deaths would surely be lower. Point also is, people wouldn't need to be feared that they can get shot literally anywhere at any time. Something like car accidents is not even comparable though. No one gets feared by seeing cars parked or driven.

That's because people are stupid. Unless you are suicidal or a young black male(who are generally shot by other young black males) in the US, you are so much more likely to die in a car crash than by gunfire it's not funny.

20 minutes ago, Majinhoju said:

I'm not sure where you're going with this.  There are multiple causes of death.  Even if car accident deaths exceed gun violence deaths it doesn't change how we should approach gun ownership and regulations if there's still a large number of deaths due to guns.

Except it manifestly does. Any regulations regarding guns which would actually do anything to significantly reduce the death rate by firearm would have to significantly reduce the extant stock of guns, which in the the US is said to be around 300 million but in reality is probably closer to 400-600 million. Such laws would not only have to significantly violate the 2nd amendment but any effective enforcement of them would violate the 1st, 4th, 5th and 8th as well. Not to mention that in that enforcement more people would almost certainly die than do so in a decade, if not a century of the status quo. Anything less wouldn't have any major effect on gun deaths whatsoever.

[mr moose]

6 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

My gun is in a fingerprint box in a locked desk drawer. Close enough to obtain and use, far enough to not need it. Getting a CCW permit in NJ requires a well-written letter clearly stating why you believe that you should be allowed to concealed carry a handgun, what dangers you perceive yourself to be under (saying that the neighbor likes Trump doesn't count), and that your record have no prior infractions (I believe any felony or misdemeanor automatically excludes you from getting the license). Florida has you fill out a form and do some basic tasks (I did it at the Sheriffs Office, others may be different) before signing or denying your CCW. 

By responsibilities I was more thinking along the lines of communal proactive rather than better home security and licensing.  You keeping you gun loicked up and knowing when not to use it is not going to fix holes in the system.    Some of the most common reasons I here for shootings occuring is a failure in mental health services, a failure of authority (FBI, local and federal police) and a failure in education.  If these truly are the problem and it means spending more money to fix these issues then that is what people need to take responsibility for.  

[Doobeedoo]

10 minutes ago, ravenshrike said:

That's because people are stupid. Unless you are suicidal or a young black male(who are generally shot by other young black males) in the US, you are so much more likely to die in a car crash than by gunfire it's not funny.

Car crashes are common everywhere, who knows what are the numbers for them and specially guns. Thing is car crashes are accidents, it's not GTA though, gunfire is violence a causes fear in general. Nobody cares about accidents as much as fear of gunfire.

[ARikozuM]

5 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Thing is car crashes are accidents

Texting and drinking + collisions = not an accident. Why is a drunk driver allowed to have their license back after a month or three (NJ) when an accident is caused? Same with texting, the police aren't going to be able to enforce a "no texting" policy for drivers thanks to lack of manpower. 

[Doobeedoo]

20 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Texting and drinking + collisions = not an accident. Why is a drunk driver allowed to have their license back after a month or three (NJ) when an accident is caused? Same with texting, the police aren't going to be able to enforce a "no texting" policy for drivers thanks to lack of manpower. 

Because comparing everything else to guns is your logic?!

[leadeater]

Could we keep the gun control debate to a minimum and make sure comments are related to the topic subject.

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

Could we keep the gun control debate to a minimum and make sure comments are related to the topic subject.

Lets be honest here, there is nothing to discuss in the topic subject,  any argument about games causing violence carries less weight than a balloon full of helium.

[ARikozuM]

7 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Lets be honest here, their is nothing to discuss in the topic subject,  any argument about games causing violence carries less weight then a balloon full of helium.

So, we should talk about weight vs volume? Density is the ... [three hours later]. 

[leadeater]

6 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Lets be honest here, their is nothing to discuss in the topic subject,  any argument about games causing violence carries less weight then a balloon full of helium.

Well if all points of the topic have been covered then it should just naturally peter out and end. A straight gun control debate is very likely going to end up with people getting warnings for getting riled up over it and it crosses in to the political discussion category.

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

So, we should talk about weight vs volume? Density is the ... [three hours later]. 

It would probably  be a less futile discussion.

[Majinhoju]

I suppose lag might incite some violence...

[asus killer]

Oh boy ...

 

 

"A video montage of violent scenes in video games has been released on the White House’s official YouTube channel, spawning a backlash from gaming fans. 

The video was created for a “closed” meeting on Thursday between President Donald Trump and computer game executives, The Verge reports, and is indicative of the US government’s stance on the subject. 

The US government claims that video games provoke violence in real life, a claim that the industry representatives denied at the meeting, insisting there was  “no evidence” of a link, reports the BBC."

http://www.theweek.co.uk/gaming/92197/white-house-s-video-game-violence-montage-sparks-anger

 

[Xander Cousins]

18 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

Car is not a weapon. 

To be fair, A car is a more deadly weapon than a Gun and yet everyone gets the chance to drive it after a certain age. 

 

Saying a vehicle isn't a weapon is technically true but the definition of weapon is this; A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage 

 

Which in aspect is true about a vehicle It CAN be used to conflict bodily and or physical harm. a lot more drastically than a Gun. if you where to be shot by a 5.56mm round you have the chance that it will be a through n through shot or it won't hit any major organs or arteries and that's travelling at roughly 3300 ft/sec if a Car was able to get that speed and hit you, your pretty much dead or god damn Lucky.  

 

happened recently.

 

Anyway the thing about Video Games giving people violent tendencies really does come down to the mental state of the person. In personal experience I would get agitated to the point I want to punch something (Usually end up Thumping me Leg....) but never to the point hey I wanna do 'X' or 'Y' . In general Video games can lead to higher levels of aggression but for short times. But hey this is just info that I am getting from seeing how others react on Console n Pc then 5 mins later they are fine or salty...

[LAwLz]

10 minutes ago, Alex Colson said:

To be fair, A car is a more deadly weapon than a Gun and yet everyone gets the chance to drive it after a certain age. 

I don't get why people keep comparing cars to guns as some kind of argument for why gun control isn't needed.

 

Cars are heavily regulated and controlled. You need to pass several tests to get a license (theoretical, practical and medical) in order to drive a car, and if you buy one it needs to be registered that you own that very car.

 

If you want to argue against gun control, making a comparison to cars is rather counterproductive.

[Xander Cousins]

1 minute ago, LAwLz said:

I don't get why people keep comparing cars to guns as some kind of argument for why gun control isn't needed.

 

Cars are heavily regulated and controlled. You need to pass several tests to get a license (theoretical, practical and medical) in order to drive a car, and if you buy one it needs to be registered that you own that very car.

Wasn't exactly using this as an reason that gun control isn't needed was just stating that a Car can be used as a weapon. 

 

I'm all for Gun control because in my eyes someone being able to have a 5.56 or a 7.62 capable weapon within the house hold is more than excessive for protection. you miss a shot you're gonna have a high chance to hit a family member in another room depending on your houses construction.

 

[Sauron]

13 hours ago, asus killer said:

you really have a problem there, the ones that get arrested go to jail not a mental institution, kind of disproves the theory. Still like with blaming videogames i guess its the scientists that need to determine if there is a link between videogames and/or mental issues and shootings, not politicians. 

Doesn't take a scientist to observe that only the US seems to have this problem, and we all have videogames.

[Sauron]

5 hours ago, Majinhoju said:

I suppose lag might incite some violence...

Then we should blame the repeal of net neutrality 

[Xander Cousins]

4 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Doesn't take a scientist to observe that only the US seems to have this problem, and we all have videogames.

What surprises me is that because it was a person who played video games that hey that must be the cause of why he did such a horrible act. 

 

You cannot judge someone by simple things like that. It can be down to having an already existing mental problem, Paired with the fact he could have possibly been getting bullied by others among the school and finally just having that strand of rational thinking snap to have something like this not just some half assed excuse 'oh he plays violent games like COD that must be it' 

 

Like who ever thought that was a valid reasoning to why he done what he done really need slapped silly,

 

Video Games are worldwide, Myself being in Ireland if you are an officer you can carry a concealed firearm even when retired due to protection reasoning. I don't hear their kid getting hold of his weapon and doing something like this because 'he saw it in a game'.

 

Personal opinion Violent Games would help release pent up stress and frustration more than generate them. Like FFS I'm 19 and i'll still go onto a childs game like viva piñata due to the music to calm my tits down. 

[Doobeedoo]

5 hours ago, Alex Colson said:

To be fair, A car is a more deadly weapon than a Gun and yet everyone gets the chance to drive it after a certain age. 

 

Saying a vehicle isn't a weapon is technically true but the definition of weapon is this; A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage 

 

Which in aspect is true about a vehicle It CAN be used to conflict bodily and or physical harm. a lot more drastically than a Gun. if you where to be shot by a 5.56mm round you have the chance that it will be a through n through shot or it won't hit any major organs or arteries and that's travelling at roughly 3300 ft/sec if a Car was able to get that speed and hit you, your pretty much dead or god damn Lucky.  

 

happened recently.

 

Anyway the thing about Video Games giving people violent tendencies really does come down to the mental state of the person. In personal experience I would get agitated to the point I want to punch something (Usually end up Thumping me Leg....) but never to the point hey I wanna do 'X' or 'Y' . In general Video games can lead to higher levels of aggression but for short times. But hey this is just info that I am getting from seeing how others react on Console n Pc then 5 mins later they are fine or salty...

I mean c'mon, I know car is not a weapon but can be used as one. Point is guns are completely different and can't be compared to anything else.

No one is scared by cars but everyone can fear guns, for a reason.

Even like blaming mental issues, specially in US were it seems to be high is even more reason for gun control though. 

[Xander Cousins]

Just now, Doobeedoo said:

-snip-

In general Gun control is needed I was only stating that a Vehicle can be used and has been used as weapons. 

 

The mental issue really does just add to the reason better gun control is needed as you stated but again. It comes down to are they willing to do a change or just push it off to something else to take the blame. 

 

Because lets all be honest, If a security force being police of a FBI etc is looking for someone known for mass murders or cereal killing they ain't gonna check his apartment see he has a game console and go 'ahhhh that's explains why he/she is like this'. So personally I just see this meeting as a waist of time.

[Doobeedoo]

1 minute ago, Alex Colson said:

In general Gun control is needed I was only stating that a Vehicle can be used and has been used as weapons. 

 

The mental issue really does just add to the reason better gun control is needed as you stated but again. It comes down to are they willing to do a change or just push it off to something else to take the blame. 

 

Because lets all be honest, If a security force being police of a FBI etc is looking for someone known for mass murders or cereal killing they ain't gonna check his apartment see he has a game console and go 'ahhhh that's explains why he/she is like this'. So personally I just see this meeting as a waist of time.

It is a waste of time. They just want a scapegoat to blame anything other than guns no doubt. 

[ravenshrike]

6 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Cars are heavily regulated and controlled. You need to pass several tests to get a license (theoretical, practical and medical) in order to drive a car, and if you buy one it needs to be registered that you own that very car.

You only need to do any of this if you are planning on driving on public thoroughfares. You can drive any kind of car you want with no form of license whatsoever so long as it is on private property and comports with local pollution and noise regulations.