Apple does slow down your iPhone.....but its not what you think....

[suicidalfranco]

3 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

So hang on a minute....

 

Having to remove the entire screen with a heat gun is somehow an acceptable way of changing batteries to you?

 

The screen is the second most expensive component in the device, you're aware of that, right?

 

I mean I'm not exactly ecstatic about the way others do it but having to heat up the entire screen to remove it seems like nothing but deliberate anti consumerism to me.

everything is acceptable as long as it comes from Apple

[DrMacintosh]

39 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

everything is acceptable as long as it comes from Apple

Lol 

[CryptoMatt]

i've been saying it for years and no one belived me and called me wrong, well HA

[mr moose]

This should be an option given to the consumer, not an inherent part of the OS.   Let me decide if I want my device to last longer or run faster.  As far as I am concerned batteries have a limited life span if you can't replace it easily (literally meaning as easy as replacing a laptop HDD), then the device as a whole is a limited device.

[Thony]

On 19/12/2017 at 3:57 AM, lilbman said:

So, they slow down the phones because they refuse to make the phone's battery easily replaceable.

 

Hmm.

 

Makes sense for waterproofed phones and maybe dust proofed ones but the second point is debatable

[Valentyn]

7 hours ago, CryptoMatt said:

i've been saying it for years and no one belived me and called me wrong, well HA

Except it’s from theatest iOS Updates. So for years, you were wrong.

The same tests that shows this; have been used for years to debunk claims such as yours.

 

They just need to give people an option in the settings. If your battery has degraded a lot you can have full performance and almost no battery life; or slow performance and a usable phone for the day.

[CryptoMatt]

1 hour ago, Valentyn said:

Except it’s from theatest iOS Updates. So for years, you were wrong.

The same tests that shows this; have been used for years to debunk claims such as yours.

 

They just need to give people an option in the settings. If your battery has degraded a lot you can have full performance and almost no battery life; or slow performance and a usable phone for the day.

they know and they do it

[Valentyn]

3 minutes ago, CryptoMatt said:

they know and they do it

https://www.futuremark.com/pressreleases/is-it-true-that-iphones-get-slower-over-time

 

https://www.snopes.com/harvard-study-apple-iphones-sales-slows/

 

Until the latest update from iOS 11, performance wasn’t purposely lowered; and then it only does so if your battery is degraded.

[grimreeper132]

This explains why iphone 4s are now terrible as they can barely run apps now that they could previously. I don't a bad battery either they have still do it, don't get me wrong I don't think it's just apple that do it, but apple is the first one to properly admit it. I get that it's an issue the battery but the same time the iphone batteries (or the iphone 4 and 5 don't know about newer ones) were replaceable so it shouldn't be an issue of these phones should not be slowed down

[Valentyn]

1 hour ago, grimreeper132 said:

This explains why iphone 4s are now terrible as they can barely run apps now that they could previously. I don't a bad battery either they have still do it, don't get me wrong I don't think it's just apple that do it, but apple is the first one to properly admit it. I get that it's an issue the battery but the same time the iphone batteries (or the iphone 4 and 5 don't know about newer ones) were replaceable so it shouldn't be an issue of these phones should not be slowed down

iPhone 4S can't update to iOS 10-11 to get the new firmware that does this. Likely just the 4S finally getting too long in the tooth.

Mine died in water after I gave it to my mother; but was mostly fine until then.

 

Good thing about the new phones is that all batteries are still replaceable. Free under warranty, and Apple Care. 79$ out of warranty.

[XenosTech]

On 12/19/2017 at 3:15 PM, Master Disaster said:

So hang on a minute....

 

Having to remove the entire screen with a heat gun is somehow an acceptable way of changing batteries to you?

 

The screen is the second most expensive component in the device, you're aware of that, right?

 

I mean I'm not exactly ecstatic about the way others do it but having to heat up the entire screen to remove it seems like nothing but deliberate anti consumerism to me.

I mean it's only a heat gun on your phone screen, absolutely nothing can go wrong applying heat to a screen. /s

[smeezer]

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-battery-throttling-gives-customers-reason-to-distrust-2017-12

[Sauron]

5 hours ago, grimreeper132 said:

This explains why iphone 4s are now terrible as they can barely run apps now that they could previously. I don't a bad battery either they have still do it, don't get me wrong I don't think it's just apple that do it, but apple is the first one to properly admit it. I get that it's an issue the battery but the same time the iphone batteries (or the iphone 4 and 5 don't know about newer ones) were replaceable so it shouldn't be an issue of these phones should not be slowed down

They don't do it for the battery, it's just an excuse to push their customers to upgrade. Now they got caught and are claiming it's because of the battery, but as you said it doesn't make logical sense on older phones - they could just notify the user that the battery is in poor conditions and needs a replacement, then ASK if they want a slower phone.

[Valentyn]

48 minutes ago, Sauron said:

They don't do it for the battery, it's just an excuse to push their customers to upgrade. Now they got caught and are claiming it's because of the battery, but as you said it doesn't make logical sense on older phones - they could just notify the user that the battery is in poor conditions and needs a replacement, then ASK if they want a slower phone.

Independent tests linked it to the battery not Apple. They found slow performance and a degraded battery, then if you changed the battery for a new one performance reverted to normal levels again.

 

[Sauron]

9 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

Independent tests linked it to the battery not Apple. They found slow performance and a degraded battery, then if you changed the battery for a new one performance reverted to normal levels again.

Apple designed the software to degrade performance if the battery is going bad - but they didn't tell you. It's a way to make it seem like a legitimate choice instead of an "incentive" to upgrade for costumers who have no idea what's happening. If your phone is slower than when you bought it, will you immediately assume a new battery will fix it? Or will you just think that it's obsolete, that it just can't handle the new software and that it's time to upgrade? All they needed to do was tell the user what was going on to maintain a shred of credibility on this. Better yet, present the user with the facts and give them the option to have a shorter battery life or reduced performance (or change their battery, but apple doesn't endorse battery replacements, especially if you have a third party do it).

[Guest]

On 19/12/2017 at 4:51 PM, BuckGup said:

Cool feature like power saving mode in windows but Apple does stop optimizing IOS updates after 2 years for your iPhone. Which also falls right into the length of Apple Care

Thats not true. It's more of a point where you can't expect the phone to run software at optimal standard 2 years into the future. Apple does optimise it's software for all supported devices.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Sauron said:

Apple designed the software to degrade performance if the battery is going bad - but they didn't tell you. It's a way to make it seem like a legitimate choice instead of an "incentive" to upgrade for costumers who have no idea what's happening. If your phone is slower than when you bought it, will you immediately assume a new battery will fix it? Or will you just think that it's obsolete, that it just can't handle the new software and that it's time to upgrade? All they needed to do was tell the user what was going on to maintain a shred of credibility on this. Better yet, present the user with the facts and give them the option to have a shorter battery life or reduced performance (or change their battery, but apple doesn't endorse battery replacements, especially if you have a third party do it).

Would you not prefer useability and battery life over a few MHz? They introduced this feature due to the power consumption degrading an already dead battery and causing shutdowns. If you need a device to depend on, battery life is crucial.

Apple only endorses servicability for Authorised Servicers due to third parties not being able to repair with appropriate parts. It's pretty common sense not to let your phones, especially if you provide a care package, to only let your phones be serviced by appropriate providers.

[captain_to_fire]

Even though Apple’s intentions are good, it still sucks that they’re just starting to talk about it now that they’re caught red handed. 

 

 

[Tcrumpen]

On 12/19/2017 at 3:48 AM, DrMacintosh said:

Sources: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/yes-old-iphones-slow-down-not-think-210109678.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkEN7rJMhFI&t=163s 

 

 

 

So yes, Apple does slow down your phone if your battery has degraded to the point that the phone would not be able to provide the required power to keep the system running during some tasks. If you remember not too long ago people complained about iPhones just randomly shutting off while in use, apparently this was due to their batteries simply being so degraded that at some point in their normal operation, there simply was not enough juice. 

 

If you will also recall Apple issued an update to "fix" this and apparently to do that, Apple scaled back the performance of iPhones with poor battery health to prevent them from simply turning off during normal use. 

 

So no, Apple does not slow down your iPhones deliberately simply because a new one comes out....but they do slow down the performance if your battery becomes warn out and degraded.....or at least that is what this article says. 

 

 

Sounds like most of the problems are down to letting your phones battery getting low, it's why i always keep my phone plugged in when possible

[mrchow19910319]

hope apple can give out warnings from now on. 

if your battery does start to degrade. 

 

otherwise yeah.. they did not intentionally slow down your device. (if you believe what they said) 

but at the end it does get slower. 

 

[mrchow19910319]

or apple can start a mass recall and give their customer some sort of credit to purchase a new phone. that would be idle. my mom's phone feels like a brick now... 

[Sauron]

13 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

Would you not prefer useability and battery life over a few MHz? They introduced this feature due to the power consumption degrading an already dead battery and causing shutdowns. If you need a device to depend on, battery life is crucial.

If it causes malfunctions then the LEAST it should do is warn me. If you just ignore it eventually it will fail outright and you will be without a phone at that "crucial moment". Then they can have some measures to prevent shutdowns, but it's not a substitute for knowing it needs to be fixed. And it's not about "a few MHz", otherwise nobody would have noticed. Clearly the slow down is significant.

13 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

Apple only endorses servicability for Authorised Servicers due to third parties not being able to repair with appropriate parts. It's pretty common sense not to let your phones, especially if you provide a care package, to only let your phones be serviced by appropriate providers.

Except the reason many repair shops don't have the right parts is that Apple doesn't sell them, or allow third parties to produce them. If you have a care package I don't think there's any reason to go anywhere but to Apple and get a replacement, if you don't Apple will just replace your phone with a refurbished unit at 75% of the original price or give you a small discount on a brand new phone - so since Apple won't fix your device they really have no right to complain if you go to a third party. Aside from the fact that they WANT you to just give up and buy a new one of course...

[mrchow19910319]

but on the other hand... if you think about android.... how many people claim that after 1 year of usage their phone pretty much gone into shit... and become irresponsive... and slow... and stopped receiving latest android update.. 

 

[Not_Jony_Ive]

The next version of iOS will throttle every generation of iPhone except iPhone X.

 

Yup. You heard it here first. 

[NumLock21]

a class action lawsuit has already been filed because of this.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/12/21/apple-lawsuit-slowing-down-old-iphone-models/