Apple does slow down your iPhone.....but its not what you think....

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, lilbman said:

Not to your average Joe, it isn't user accessible.  The average person wouldn't even think to heat the screen to replace a battery.

 

7 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

They do, just not like they used to. 

 

They are user accessible, just not with their fingernails. 

Nice restatement. 

[Zodiark1593]

21 minutes ago, lilbman said:

None, but at the same time, no other phone manufacturer slows down their devices because of bad batteries.

I do have to wonder at the peak power consumption of Apple's SoCs. The amount of current a battery can safely provide is tied to it's capacity. 

 

Though this is an extreme crapshoot of a guess as I doubt that the iPhone 6S can pull much above 2 amps (3.7v x 2 A = 7.4 watts) even for a brief burst load. Though the battery size is also rather small at 1750 mAh. I suppose if a 2c discharge rate is above spec for the battery (which would be very paltry, if this were the case), then it would make sense to reduce the load on the battery.

[Guest lilbman]

1 minute ago, Zodiark1593 said:

then it would make sense to reduce the load on the battery.

Why not just replace it?

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Though the battery size is also rather small at 1750 mAh.

And take into account that this happens on old units where their batteries have degraded well below the capacity of the battery when it was new. 

 

 

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, lilbman said:

Why not just replace it?

Because making users get their phone serviced is not a great experience for the user or a good reflection on the company. 

 

Keeping these phones in working order for as long as possible is. 

[Guest lilbman]

5 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Because its the only relevant comparison. 

 

In order to bash something you need a reference point. 

I see it as comparing the two to attempt to change the subject.

[Guest lilbman]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

a good reflection on the company. 

Well neither is having slow phones.

 

I'd argue that something as normal as replacing a part that degrades over time is better than having phones that progressively get slower.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, lilbman said:

I see it as comparing the two to attempt to put the iPhone in a more positive light.

I am always going to put the iPhone in a more positive light. 

 

I believe that give the simplicity of Apples product lineup and ease of access to replacement parts, the iPhone is always in a better position to be serviced and fixed for less. (assuming you are doing 3rd party repairs)  

[Guest lilbman]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

I believe that give the simplicity of Apples product lineup and ease of access to replacement parts, the iPhone is always in a better position to be serviced and fixed for less. (assuming you are doing 3rd party repairs)  

Isn't Apple against most Right to Repair legislation?

 

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

I am always going to put the iPhone in a more positive light. 

 

I recommend that you try to view things in a more objective light and not letting biases and preferences pollute your position.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, lilbman said:

Well neither is having slow phones.

At least they have a working phone.......

 

2 minutes ago, lilbman said:

I'd argue that something as normal as replacing a part that degrades over time is better than having phones that progressively get slower.

I would to. The difference is the iPhone makes it so you don't have to replace the battery immediately. 

 

You can do nothing and have a working phone, you can replace the battery, or you can replace the phone. 

 

The competitions options are: Do nothing and have a unusable phone, you can replace the battery, you can replace the phone. 

 

I would rather have the first set of options.  

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, lilbman said:

Isn't Apple against most Right to Repair legislation?

No really sure how that impacts the reality of repairing current Apple devices. 

[DrMacintosh]

4 minutes ago, lilbman said:

I recommend that you try to view things in a more objective light and not letting biases and preferences pollute your position.

My biases and preferences create my position. Unless there is undeniable evidence that proves me wrong on something, I will try and argue my side. 

[Guest lilbman]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

At least they have a working phone.......

 

Just because it works doesn't mean its optimal.

 

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I would to. The difference is the iPhone makes it so you don't have to replace the battery immediately. 

 

You can do nothing and have a working phone, you can replace the battery, or you can replace the phone. 

 

The competitions options are: Do nothing and have a unusable phone, you can replace the battery, you can replace the phone. 

 

I would rather have the first set of options.  

It can still work and be a piece of shit to use, which in my opinion is worse than having a phone that can just have a part switched out and be good as new again.  Most people would rather drop $100 on a new battery instead of $1000 on a new phone.

[Guest lilbman]

5 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

No really sure how that impacts the reality of repairing current Apple devices. 

It impacts 3rd parties from accessing quality parts.

[DrMacintosh]

3 minutes ago, lilbman said:

Just because it works doesn't mean its optimal.

Working is always more optimal than not working

 

3 minutes ago, lilbman said:

having a phone that can just have a part switched out and be good as new again.

Congrats, you just described the iPhone. Btw iPhone batteries cost like under $20 to replace. 

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, lilbman said:

It impacts 3rd parties from accessing quality parts.

Not hard to get OEM iPhone parts. The displays can be a bit tricky but everything else is pretty easy. 

[D13H4RD]

Meanwhile, my sister has been running iOS 10 on her since-launch iPhone 5s.

 

The upgrade to the iPhone 8 Plus was long overdue and an enormous one. She keeps telling me on how much better the performance, display and camera were compared to her 5s.

 

4 years of progress.

[79wjd]

Them throttling the CPU isn't really a problem imo, what is a problem is them doing it without mentioning it and ideally giving users an option to choose performance or battery. But Apple doesn't like options....so there's that.

 

I do have to say that I didn't notice any issues with my 6s+ on iOS 11.1

[AlTech]

I swear I've seen pretty much this exact title for a tech news post on LTT before.

 

The feeling of Deja Vu is really strong in this thread.

[Guest lilbman]

4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

My biases and preferences create my position. Unless there is undeniable evidence that proves me wrong on something, I will try and argue my side. 

Shouldn't facts and logic make up your positon? 

 

3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

. Btw iPhone batteries cost like under $20 to replace. 

If its so cheap to repair, then why would anyone take the phone getting progressively slower and keep using that instead of paying $50 or whatever and getting the battery replaced?

 

Anyone would replace it if Apple wouldn't kind of hide the fact that the phone's battery is deteriorating.

[D13H4RD]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

Them throttling the CPU isn't really a problem imo, what is a problem is them doing it without mentioning it and ideally giving users an option to choose performance or battery. 

I would honestly like the choice of having performance or battery life with the low power mode.

 

I see a lot of iPhone users turn it on.

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, lilbman said:

If its so cheap to repair, then why would anyone take the phone getting progressively slower and keep using that instead of paying $50 or whatever and getting the battery replaced?

 

Anyone would replace it if Apple wouldn't kind of hide the fact that the phone's battery is deteriorating.

They don't realize the battery is the source of the problem and/or they don't care enough and/or really just want something new. 

[Guest lilbman]

4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Not hard to get OEM iPhone parts. The displays can be a bit tricky but everything else is pretty easy. 

I'd love to keep going back and forth but I'm tired.

 

I'll leave you with a Louis Rossmann video that can hopefully elaborate on my position-

 

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, lilbman said:

Shouldn't facts and logic make up your positon?

For what OS platform I like using and what I think is better? Uhhh, no. Thats all preference and opinion. 

 

2 minutes ago, lilbman said:

If its so cheap to repair, then why would anyone take the phone getting progressively slower and keep using that instead of paying $50 or whatever and getting the battery replaced?

Because if my Phone works and I don't have to spend $50 and can use that for rent, food, a night out, etc.

[Arika]

if that is the real reason for it, fine. But tell your customers this. it's just as dishonest as slowing the performance down making people think there is something wrong with their phones. if they are aware that this is the case, maybe there wouldn't have been such an outcry by iphone owners