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sauce: https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/new-intel-core-processor-combine-high-performance-cpu-discrete-graphics-sleek-thin-devices/

 

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The new product, which will be part of our 8th Gen Intel Core family, brings together our high-performing Intel Core H-series processor, second generation High Bandwidth Memory (HBM2) and a custom-to-Intel third-party discrete graphics chip from AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group* – all in a single processor package.

It’s a prime example of hardware and software innovations intersecting to create something amazing that fills a unique market gap. Helping to deliver on our vision for this new class of product, we worked with the team at AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group. In close collaboration, we designed a new semi-custom graphics chip, which means this is also a great example of how we can compete and work together, ultimately delivering innovation that is good for consumers.

So this was the semi-custom design AMD talked about a while back. But it has happened. Here's Intel's video:

 

 

So yeah. We now have an Intel CPU with an AMD RTG GPU in the 35-55W TDP range.

 

Here's how they did that:

 

Intel-8th-Gen-CPU-discrete-graphics.jpg

 

That's a single HBM2 stack so we're likely limited to 4GB of video RAM. The details of the AMD GPU are unknown at this point, likely to be a Vega-based GPU, but things as SP count and clock speeds are not known yet.

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So what this looks like is, Intel CPU + Intel iGPU + AMD discrete GPU, like how we have seen laptops feature Intel CPU + Intel iGPU + Nvidia discrete GPU managed via Nvidia's own Optimus Technology.

So we used to have these combinations, and I expect this one to be added to the list.

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AMD CPU + AMD iGPU

AMD CPU + AMD iGPU + AMD discrete GPU

AMD CPU + AMD iGPU + Nvidia discrete GPU(In very select devices/custom devices)

All I see is a new combination added to the list.

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3 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

A bit unrelated but do we know if anyone else (particularly AMD) have EMIB in the pipeline? It seems like it's far superior to an interposer.

only in price, but we don't know, although it might be the job of other companies to invest R&D into that (the ones that package the cpus/gpus)

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1 minute ago, kiska3 said:

So what this looks like is, Intel CPU + Intel iGPU + AMD discrete GPU, like how we have seen laptops feature Intel CPU + Intel iGPU + Nvidia discrete GPU managed via Nvidia's own Optimus Technology.

So we used to have these combinations, and I expect this one to be added to the list.

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Intel CPU + Intel iGPU

Intel CPU + Intel iGPU + Nvidia discrete GPU

AMD CPU + AMD iGPU

AMD CPU + AMD iGPU + AMD discrete GPU

AMD CPU + AMD iGPU + Nvidia discrete GPU(In very select devices/custom devices)

All I see is a new combination added to the list.

don't think these will have igpu 

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Just now, cj09beira said:

don't think these will have igpu 

I don't know about that, whilst yes the discrete GPU can be in low power mode, if your only browsing or doing light tasks, I still see the Intel iGPU being more power efficient

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It seems it's actually a dGPU for the next generation of Intel's NUC line. Those NUCs are used in a lot of devices, so it makes since from both party's perspectives. Not that Intel isn't guilty of some crimes against AMD. (And not that AMD isn't guilty of releasing Bulldozer.) 

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4 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

AMD's Raven Ridge is competing in the ULV-powered space, not the higher-power laptop chips. AMD doesn't have anything in that space yet, getting a GPU in there with a fast CPU will get them some well needed money.

Keyword is yet. High performance mobile chips should currently be in the pipeline for AMD.

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1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

(And not that AMD isn't guilty of releasing Bulldozer.) 

You mean not guilty of releasing a Bulldozer that Steamrolled the companies financials?

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this... is strange

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2 minutes ago, kiska3 said:

I don't know about that, whilst yes the discrete GPU can be in low power mode, if your only browsing or doing light tasks, I still see the Intel iGPU being more power efficient

still would not make sense as you would still have the dgpu somewhat working (ready for use) so it would not be much use

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1 minute ago, mikat said:

wait WSJ are the a-holes that screwed youtube with the adpocalypse right?

No. WSJ was the means by which other power players attacked YouTube because Google's product had too much influence and allowed too many other voices to operate.

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Just now, cj09beira said:

still would not make sense as you would still have the dgpu somewhat working (ready for use) so it would not be much use

I mean the dGPU would be powered OFF, so I see no power consumption if its off

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Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

No. WSJ was the means by which other power players attacked YouTube because Google's product had too much influence and allowed too many other voices to operate.

But they did put that stuff on their website, I don't think you can say "Don't shoot the messenger" in this case, they agreed to put it on their website and obviously knew what was going to happen

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Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

Caught this link a day or two ago, though it's in Japanese.

 

http://www.moepc.net/?post=3061

 

The custom solution appears to be a RX580 with HBM2. 

it says 24 cus so its something custom, but its weird that its polaris, i guess amd did not give intel any special treatment when it comes to: you have to wait a while before you can use our latest arch

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Just now, mikat said:

But they did put that stuff on their website, I don't think you can say "Don't shoot the messenger" in this case, they agreed to put it on their website and obviously knew what was going to happen

Of course. WSJ is a Murdoch property. The actions of one group on another can't be removed from the sources. And it's also not like there wasn't a great deal of frustration with YouTube & advertising from other sectors, which made a WSJ hit job a more viable angle of attack.  Shaming executives in the big papers *always* works.

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That's quite interesting though. As long as profitability is on rise it can be good.

But yeah, didn't expect this really. 

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Just now, cj09beira said:

it says 24 cus so its something custom, but its weird that its polaris, i guess amd did not give intel any special treatment when it comes to: you have to wait a while before you can use our latest arch

It's probably a deal from the semi-custom branch, so it was cemented at least a year ago. Means Vega just wasn't ready.

 

Weirdly, I'd been thinking about possibly building a NUC system, so I might need to rethink nixing that idea. Previous ones can't handle enough monitors for what I was thinking about doing with it.

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3 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

it says 24 cus so its something custom, but its weird that its polaris, i guess amd did not give intel any special treatment when it comes to: you have to wait a while before you can use our latest arch

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mr_polaris_inside_intel_kabylake_cpu_polhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7ahb6z/mr_polaris_inside_intel_kabylake_cpu_polaris_gpu/

 

There was chatter about some leaked benchmarks. Given where the NUC line from Intel goes, this actually makes a lot of sense. The previous ones just can't drive a lot of monitors or heavy graphics. That solves the problem going forward.

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