General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Pasi123]

5 minutes ago, Xa3phod said:

I put my Vega56 into the X5670 overclocked to 4.6Ghz with 1.40Volts.

Totally stable. Runs perfectly.

 

Only issue it: Too slow! I run a 75hz monitor and not once could it achieve 75fps. It floated from 45-65, but 95% of the time, it was under 60fps. I think I've reached the end of the X58. if I can't play my game (Planetside 2) at 75Hz at max settings, it won't work for me. My 6700K overclocked to 4.6Ghz plays at 75Hz all day, never going over 60C. If you play at 60FPS with medium settings, then this CPU will work for you. For me, its game over (pun intended). New Project time.

Planetside 2 seems to have pretty low system requirements, and X5670 @ 4.6GHz should be able to play most new games way over 60fps at 1080p. I only have a crappy GTX 960 2GB so I can't test how it works on my PC.

 

What are your overclock settings?

[Zando_]

1 hour ago, Pasi123 said:

Planetside 2 seems to have pretty low system requirements, and X5670 @ 4.6GHz should be able to play most new games way over 60fps at 1080p. I only have a crappy GTX 960 2GB so I can't test how it works on my PC.

 

What are your overclock settings?

^^^ My X5675 kept up with a 980 Ti everywhere except on Titan in Destiny 2.

[Ground]

What are you running your uncore and ram at? Upping those can make a fairly significant impact on total clocks...

[Xa3phod]

Edit: This is my X5670. I can throw my X5690 back in there. I didn't see much difference in Overclocking headroom, just a higher base frequency on the x5690. If you think it will be more stable with the x5690, it's only a 10-minute procedure to swap.

 

This is a stable setup. I tried to up my ram speed, but it will hang getting into Windows. I'm sure some settings are messed up. 1.45volts I know is a lot, but it never gets hot. Should I not use XMS and manually do the ram? Also, other settings, like QPI, T-Balanced, Load-line calibration?

 

What do you think?

 

Thanks!

[Xa3phod]

At 1.45volts it stays in the high 40C's to mid-50C's unless I stress it then it gets into the 70C's or so at 100% usage.

[Slayer3032]

Raising my memory timings up to 9-9-9-24-2T@1600 seems to have fixed my stability issues this time around as I haven't had a lockup in a full week even at 23x200.

 

I scored 1076cb with similar to these settings if they're any help, some of your auto settings might be hurting you when pushing it this far. I know many boards will do all sorts of funky stuff for no real reason. I raised my uncore back up which was once stable at 17-18x but I might have to back it down to 16x if it wasn't just my ram. I'm scoring around 1051~ while writing this post. I scored like 1092 once but that was with a glitched out multiplier reporting like 4.85 for some unknown reason.

 

[Fasauceome]

On 12/1/2018 at 7:21 PM, Pasi123 said:

 

If this is true, I'm not only happy to join the X58 Master race, but I'm also happy that I'm moving to Linux because of it (see bio for my plans)

 

However, one really important question crossed my mind:

What are the 1% and .1% lows? If they're better, then the gaming experience is actually better overall, average framerate doesn't tell the whole story.

[Guest]

Great topic (y)

Hey

Can call myself a proud x user since the beginning of this year. From a 6gb i7 920 stock cooled asus p6t oversized gtx 770 to a 18 gb x5650 serious air cooled p6x58d-e 1050/60 combo...
A lot of improvements both in cost, gaming, general windows experience ... What a fun!
I might be adding a 5690 to the collection, as a reserve so to speak. My general OC for games that need a tad more or are used to be played on a single core with high frequencies
is for the moment bclk 200 ratio 16/18 and the rest on auto .... this generates enough speed and still pretends to be on the green side of life ^^

I'm hoping this system will carry me atleast another 3 years and I might! go for the newest i3 seeing my basic pc needs seem to be gaming

[asand1]

On 12/2/2018 at 9:04 AM, Xa3phod said:

I put my Vega56 into the X5670 overclocked to 4.6Ghz with 1.40Volts.

Totally stable. Runs perfectly.

 

Only issue it: Too slow! I run a 75hz monitor and not once could it achieve 75fps. It floated from 45-65, but 95% of the time, it was under 60fps. I think I've reached the end of the X58. if I can't play my game (Planetside 2) at 75Hz at max settings, it won't work for me. My 6700K overclocked to 4.6Ghz plays at 75Hz all day, never going over 60C. If you play at 60FPS with medium settings, then this CPU will work for you. For me, its game over (pun intended). New Project time.

The games I play (GTA5/Destiny2/CSGO) still run over 100fps with a gtx 1080 and x5680 @4Ghz.

[Slayer3032]

I gave Planetside 2 a try and I'll confirm it runs awfully, No Man's Sky also seems to run similarly. Compared to Doom or any other game which has the ability to create beautifully balanced cpu usage graphs in task manager, the Ivy Bridge/1st gen, low end Ryzen level of single thread performance as well as the lack of AVX, DDR4 and the newer technologies there's definitely going to be certain tasks and games where the age really shows but the insane value completely makes up for that. The 6700k, overclocked is definitely going to make the better all around system.

 

I went 1440p since I figured it would help lean on the video card a little harder, I love the 1440p144 but I definitely don't get 144 in everything. Only the two games I mentioned previously don't run at a consistent 100fps or more, I'll have to give Destiny 2 a try at some point since I haven't played it on the GTX1080 or the 1440p. I usually end up with the same or better performance than my friend with a 1700X and a GTX1080 and again I usually have better performance than a slew of other people with 4790k's, 6600k or 6700k's and 970's or 1070's. My 0.1%/1% lows are usually lower across the board than newer hardware though. I get quickly demolished by all the 8700k+1080ti builds but I mean shit it only took like 7 years and mainstream hexcores to not continue being high end...

[Guest]

all of you guys would rock if you would increase your lowest frequency and keep the highest frequency on 4  
Still its sounds like utter garbage to start acting disdain because some game can't be played at the highest monitor refresh rate? Goddamn you my system can't ensure stable 144 fps .. I must get a new one.. filthy rich men talk, right  

[Xa3phod]

3 hours ago, Christiaan21-03 said:

all of you guys would rock if you would increase your lowest frequency and keep the highest frequency on 4  
Still its sounds like utter garbage to start acting disdain because some game can't be played at the highest monitor refresh rate? Goddamn you my system can't ensure stable 144 fps .. I must get a new one.. filthy rich men talk, right  

It's a hobby. You spend money on hobbies. I only need 75hz.

[Razor Blade]

6 hours ago, Christiaan21-03 said:

all of you guys would rock if you would increase your lowest frequency and keep the highest frequency on 4  
Still its sounds like utter garbage to start acting disdain because some game can't be played at the highest monitor refresh rate? Goddamn you my system can't ensure stable 144 fps .. I must get a new one.. filthy rich men talk, right  

Yeah it is one of those things a lot of people just can't understand. For example, my X58 system is headless. Different needs, different hardware. Unless there is something I need to upgrade with it, I'm planning on running it 5 years or more as is (I mean how much power do you really need with a router, NAS, and NVR??)... I thoroughly enjoy all the talk about how people are squeezing the maximum performance out of these chips. Yeah eventually they'll hit a limit...but when those X58 fans are finally ready to move on from X58 at least they'll have the money to upgrade and tinker with the next thing. Meanwhile many of those that poo poo X58 and older (still very useful and viable) hardware will be hopelessly in debt and discontented trying to keep current on the latest hardware... I guess you need those people in order to supply the second hand market right?

 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Xa3phod said:

It's a hobby. You spend money on hobbies. I only need 75hz.

 
In that I agree! I spend in the last year, 120 euro's on corsair 3x4gb memory, 70 euro's on a be quiet cooler, 250 euro's on a msi 1060, 60 euro's on a xeon x5650 ( keep in mind both the cooler and the gpu are transferable ) and I might spend another 60 on corsair 3x2 gb's and I might be done then :D ( maybe get a spare x cpu but that's still an ongoing debate 

I do not agree with filthy rich men's talk in the line of.. I need to f*ck atleast three girls a evening before I feel oke though even then I recognize the border i'm crossing because I should not care... I become caring ofcourse if I see thousands of little children everywhere who are convinced they need developer grade machines to be able to game... I know I know those kids ensure that I can buy my hardware cheap but its sooo wastefull both to your wallet, and the eco life 

 

[Xa3phod]

There is no ego in this. I build and benchmark because its fun. I started with a Texas Instruments Ti994A and never looked back. Once I have the garage space, I'll get a collector car to work on, but for now, this is my hot-rodding Also, I love getting scores near or better than current equipment for a fraction of the cost. My X5670 outperforms my I7-6700K which is now overclocked to 4.7ghz on water in Cinebench multi-thread. That is crazy. Of course, in single-thread, the X5670 almost touches my old I5-2500K which I sold, but feel bad about it now.

[asand1]

@Zando Bob @Ground 

Looking to put Either 2.5" SSDs or a single 1TB M.2 on a PCI adapter like this 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DEBROGLIE-PCIe-to-2-5-SATA-III-SSD-Dual-Slot-Adapter-6Gb-s-PCI-Apple-Mac-Pro/323583371728?hash=item4b571269d0:g:HyUAAOSwBkNcB07W:rk:6:pf:0

or this 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAF9V6NJ5335

any ideas for tomething under $150USD that will boot?

I already have a 120Gb 2.5 SSD I would retain if going 2x2.5.

[Guest]

I'm not sure either. What would the advantage be of the m.2. card other then its gigantic size? 

( btw I felt like such a traitor last night, a little bird whispered to me about 4th gen stuff and at the end of the evening I was sure it could only be a e5-2690 ( not to much cores ) or th i7 4930k ) There is even enough space for all my memory .. but the prices of the boards … damn … 120 cpu 450 euro's board …. I hate myself ))

[MaratM]

3 hours ago, asand1 said:

@Zando Bob @Ground 

Looking to put Either 2.5" SSDs or a single 1TB M.2 on a PCI adapter like this 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DEBROGLIE-PCIe-to-2-5-SATA-III-SSD-Dual-Slot-Adapter-6Gb-s-PCI-Apple-Mac-Pro/323583371728?hash=item4b571269d0:g:HyUAAOSwBkNcB07W:rk:6:pf:0

or this 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAF9V6NJ5335

any ideas for tomething under $150USD that will boot?

I already have a 120Gb 2.5 SSD I would retain if going 2x2.5.

if you want to improve you boot time get a nvme pci-e adapter and put samsung 950 pro into it. It is the only nvme ssd with legacy bios support. and it is the only plug'n'play solution for X58. 

[asand1]

8 hours ago, MaratM said:

if you want to improve you boot time get a nvme pci-e adapter and put samsung 950 pro into it. It is the only nvme ssd with legacy bios support. and it is the only plug'n'play solution for X58. 

Not So interested in NVME as I am just getting rid of cables and getting my games library on an SSD.

[Intelfreak]

6 hours ago, asand1 said:

Not So interested in NVME as I am just getting rid of cables and getting my games library on an SSD.

Just as told. Only plug and play there is samsung 950 pro the only true nvme ssd you can use.

 

But i will have to say its a blast to have one for os drive. It made my system really responsive and boot is great to. For games there are a little difference in load time but not that much faster than a sata ssd.

 

Here is my system with 950 pro

 

[bimmerman]

I think that my X58 system will be mothballed once Threadripper 3 comes out, or repurposed somehow. I am getting great framerates with the 1080ti in all the games I care to play, so on that basis alone I don't have a need to upgrade. What I want out of this next system is to be able to run 3-4 virtualized hosts out of one rig, and unfortunately I just can't reliably do that with an SR-2 based rig (see earlier posts). Or, if I can, I haven't figured out a workaround short of buying parts first and hoping I find something to make it worth it.

 

So, Threadripper 3 is going to supplant my X58 rig. Or, X58 rig will live on as my couch gaming 'console', and I'll build the TR3 rig with all new parts.

 

I'm a bit bummed but at the same time....10 years of use is a hell of a good run.

[Ben a cava]

On 10/3/2017 at 9:53 PM, Zando Bob said:

Welcome to the XCMR (Xeon Master Race, the C is a mystery )! Here we can discuss Xeons, specifically LGA1366 ones, and especially ones on the X58 platform. Show off your system, ask for help, advice, or post deals. 

 

@Ground, @WhisperingKnickers, you guys will want to be in on this. 

 

 

For those of you who don't know, X58 Xeons are naturally superior i7s with sometimes higher core counts and often better overclocking. You can pick up a 6c/12t one with a base clock of 2.66GHz (boost of 3.06, stock performance almost at R5 1600 level) for $20 or so on eBay. X58 motherboards are usually around $170-120, and DDR3 RAM is pretty affordable. Basically you can build a dope system for not a massive amount of money, and most people can get a 4+GHz OC on air, and 5+ on water. 

 

EDIT: We happily welcome our X58 i7 brethren as well! Considering X58 i7s are just Xeon by another name, I feel this is justified. 

 

And thanks to @panther420, we have a ZIP file with the latest BIOS for most X58 boards, along with instructions and utilities for flashing them: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5ovrrGliZffS3B5TnZHQ0JYUW8/view?usp=sharing

Anyone  want to explain what it  is ?

[Zando_]

Just now, Ben a cava said:

Anyone  want to explain what it  is ?

What what is? 

[NoxiousOdor]

Just now, Ben a cava said:

Anyone  want to explain what it  is ?

Explain what, what, is?

[Ben a cava]

13 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

What what is? 

A x58