General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Razor Blade]

@Pasi123 It likely depends on the board then. My Asus Rampage II extreme board will boot with Micron 4GB 2XR4 PC3 10600R (equivalent to the part number you provided)... though I'm not sure these consumer boards can take advantage of this type of memory and it is slower than the other memory I originally had in it. It was just an experiment.

 

 

 

On a side note to a comment I made a long time ago on this thread... I had a bit of time to mess with the old system again and was able to get 5600 series Xeons to finally boot. Turns out the board has dual BIOS and it really helps to actually run the BIOS you updated...as the other BIOS it had been running was the version the board was originally released with...

[Hestati]

11 minutes ago, Razor Blade said:

@Pasi123 It likely depends on the board then. My Asus Rampage II extreme board will boot with Micron 4GB 2XR4 PC3 10600R (equivalent to the part number you provided)... though I'm not sure these consumer boards can take advantage of this type of memory and it is slower than the other memory I originally had in it. It was just an experiment.

 

 

 

On a side note to a comment I made a long time ago on this thread... I had a bit of time to mess with the old system again and was able to get 5600 series Xeons to finally boot. Turns out the board has dual BIOS and it really helps to actually run the BIOS you updated...as the other BIOS it had been running was the version the board was originally released with...

That means that in my case, the issue is most probably BIOS version? Now I gotta find a way to update it, it won't boot

[Pasi123]

Just now, Hestati said:

That means that in my case, the issue is most probably BIOS version? Now I gotta find a way to update it, it won't boot

Maybe you could buy some normal 2gb DDR3 stick? Those usually cost less than 10€

[Hestati]

10 minutes ago, Pasi123 said:

Maybe you could buy some normal 2gb DDR3 stick? Those usually cost less than 10€

I can try, but my concern is that BIOS is so old, it does not support Xeons as well. Will try with memory first. Thanks!

[NoxiousOdor]

14 hours ago, Hestati said:

I've seen many reports of P6T SE being able to work with Reg memory though...

 

Have you tried that with latest and geeates BIOS?

Your problem is more than likely that your particular motherboard doesn't like ECC. Some boards like it and some don't. As a general rule, if it isnt a server board then it probably isn't going to work with ECC.

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

Your problem is more than likely that your particular motherboard doesn't like ECC. Some boards like it and some don't. As a general rule, if it isnt a server board then it probably isn't going to work with ECC.

The workstation boards should support ECC, but I'd imagine those would be harder to find than normal X58 boards.

[NoxiousOdor]

Just now, Crunchy Dragon said:

The workstation boards should support ECC, but I'd imagine those would be harder to find than normal X58 boards.

I wouldn't know about that. I exclusively use ECC memory as I have found it to be cheaper. That on top of the fact that I have only used serverboards haha. I used to have a rampage 3 formula but I never used it because I didn't have any normal ddr3. 

 

I probably should get some ddr3 sometime, it would be easier to overclock and the SR2 can work with normal or ECC ram

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, WhisperingKnickers said:

I wouldn't know about that. I exclusively use ECC memory as I have found it to be cheaper. That on top of the fact that I have only used serverboards haha. I used to have a rampage 3 formula but I never used it because I didn't have any normal ddr3. 

 

I probably should get some ddr3 sometime, it would be easier to overclock and the SR2 can work with normal or ECC ram

This last bit is what I meant, some of the higher end boards should support it. X99 had ECC support, I don't see why X58 wouldn't on the higher end.

 

Server boards are also a lot cheaper and easier to find

[NoxiousOdor]

10 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Server boards are also a lot cheaper and easier to find

Not the ones that have normal mounting points. all of the boards I have gotten have been $70+ usually $150+

Thought there are a billion of the dell ones that are proprietary. 

[bimmerman]

on a different note, has anyone tried (or foresee issues with) using unraid on an SR2 for a multi-gamer machine?

 

I had a brainwave last night to try that sort of a setup, because every new years eve my friends throw a "LAN" party (aka, wine/beer/sometimes gaming), and since most of the group has to fly home for the holidays, we usually can't get a bunch of computers together like in the old days.

 

Cue SR2 idea. 24 threads and enough space for 4x GPU means we could, conceivably, have 4x 6 thread VMs. We play mostly games like Left 4 Dead and older games that don't penalize you too much for being inebriated, so the performance hit from 3c/6t should be OK.

Other benefit is I have enough spares lying around to cobble the majority of this thing together.

I watched a few of LTT's videos on the Unraid setups, and the X56xx Xeons do support the VT-D and VT-x tech, so I am thinking if the SR-2 is able to do virtualization, could make for a sweet rig.

 

Thoughts? Lessons learned?

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, WhisperingKnickers said:

Not the ones that have normal mounting points. all of the boards I have gotten have been $70+ usually $150+

Thought there are a billion of the dell ones that are proprietary. 

Well, that's Dell for ya.

 

I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure my ProLiant board could handle an aftermarket cooler. There's currently a passive heatsink on the CPU, but also enough airflow that it's not a problem.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, bimmerman said:

on a different note, has anyone tried (or foresee issues with) using unraid on an SR2 for a multi-gamer machine?

 

I had a brainwave last night to try that sort of a setup, because every new years eve my friends throw a "LAN" party (aka, wine/beer/sometimes gaming), and since most of the group has to fly home for the holidays, we usually can't get a bunch of computers together like in the old days.

 

Cue SR2 idea. 24 threads and enough space for 4x GPU means we could, conceivably, have 4x 6 thread VMs. We play mostly games like Left 4 Dead and older games that don't penalize you too much for being inebriated, so the performance hit from 3c/6t should be OK.

Other benefit is I have enough spares lying around to cobble the majority of this thing together.

I watched a few of LTT's videos on the Unraid setups, and the X56xx Xeons do support the VT-D and VT-x tech, so I am thinking if the SR-2 is able to do virtualization, could make for a sweet rig.

 

Thoughts? Lessons learned?

IIRC @WhisperingKnickers was contemplating that...

[NoxiousOdor]

2 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

on a different note, has anyone tried (or foresee issues with) using unraid on an SR2 for a multi-gamer machine?

 

I had a brainwave last night to try that sort of a setup, because every new years eve my friends throw a "LAN" party (aka, wine/beer/sometimes gaming), and since most of the group has to fly home for the holidays, we usually can't get a bunch of computers together like in the old days.

 

Cue SR2 idea. 24 threads and enough space for 4x GPU means we could, conceivably, have 4x 6 thread VMs. We play mostly games like Left 4 Dead and older games that don't penalize you too much for being inebriated, so the performance hit from 3c/6t should be OK.

Other benefit is I have enough spares lying around to cobble the majority of this thing together.

I watched a few of LTT's videos on the Unraid setups, and the X56xx Xeons do support the VT-D and VT-x tech, so I am thinking if the SR-2 is able to do virtualization, could make for a sweet rig.

 

Thoughts? Lessons learned?

That should work fine, I have seen some people on the EVGA forums that use the SR2 exclusively for VMs. The biggest problem you might run into is that unraid likes to have it's own gpu so you would actually only have 3 gpus available for gaming. It might be possible to squeeze another gpu in but one or multiple of them would need to be single slot.

[NoxiousOdor]

@bimmerman You could get gpu risers and have up to 7 gpus total and so 6 available for gaming as long as you don't mind some of them being run at 8x (which should be fine)

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

That should work fine, I have seen some people on the EVGA forums that use the SR2 exclusively for VMs. The biggest problem you might run into is that unraid likes to have it's own gpu so you would actually only have 3 gpus available for gaming. It might be possible to squeeze another gpu in but one or multiple of them would need to be single slot.

Pull a Linus stunt and have a bunch of risers.

[bimmerman]

2 minutes ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

@bimmerman You could get gpu risers and have up to 7 gpus total and so 6 available for gaming as long as you don't mind some of them being run at 8x (which should be fine)

Sweet. I currently have four double-slot cards, but could probably find a single slot el cheapo grande card for unraid itself. 3 users would still be pretty sweet.

None of us are going to be sweating FPS numbers so really anything that would fit would work. Most of the cards that I have aren't blower cards anyway so thermal throttling issues will be obnoxious.

[NoxiousOdor]

1 minute ago, bimmerman said:

Sweet. I currently have four double-slot cards, but could probably find a single slot el cheapo grande card for unraid itself. 3 users would still be pretty sweet.

None of us are going to be sweating FPS numbers so really anything that would fit would work. Most of the cards that I have aren't blower cards anyway so thermal throttling issues will be obnoxious.

If you do end up building something like this you better post pictures and give us some info

[bimmerman]

4 minutes ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

If you do end up building something like this you better post pictures and give us some info

Oh, for sure. I'll probably be knocking on your inbox for watercooling once the system works on air.

[NoxiousOdor]

Just now, bimmerman said:

Oh, for sure. I'll probably be knocking on your inbox for watercooling once the system works on air.

I still have all that gear, just sitting waiting for a home. I have to admit, it is going to be hard to say goodbye to the custom waterblocks. I am a little sad I didn't get to make use of them.

[Zando_]

40 minutes ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

That should work fine, I have seen some people on the EVGA forums that use the SR2 exclusively for VMs. The biggest problem you might run into is that unraid likes to have it's own gpu so you would actually only have 3 gpus available for gaming. It might be possible to squeeze another gpu in but one or multiple of them would need to be single slot.

I'm hearing "Do a totally nuts custom watercooled rig and fill ALL THE SLOTS with GPUs"...

[MaratM]

42 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I'm hearing "Do a totally nuts custom watercooled rig and fill ALL THE SLOTS with GPUs"...

2080ti’s)))

[Intelfreak]

Im curious in how hot others X58 CPU´s runs stock or OC and maybe what cpu cooling are used.

 

My own I7 980X @ stock and 4.43 GHz and 1.41 volts. CPU cooled by Noctua NH-D14 with 3 noctua nf-f12 ippc-3000 pwm fans and thermal grizzly kryonaut paste. CPU is not lapped or delid.

 

stock

4.43 GHz at 1.41 volt

[bimmerman]

1 hour ago, MaratM said:

2080ti’s)))

Nah, (way) too rich for my blood.

[bimmerman]

23 minutes ago, Intelfreak said:

Im curious in how hot others X58 CPU´s runs stock or OC and maybe what cpu cooling are used.

 

My own I7 980X @ stock and 4.43 GHz and 1.41 volts. CPU cooled by Noctua NH-D14 with 3 noctua nf-f12 ippc-3000 pwm fans and thermal grizzly kryonaut paste. CPU is not lapped or delid.

 

 

I think I wrote down this sort of data at home when I was figuring out OC stability, using intel burn test.

[Slayer3032]

1 hour ago, Intelfreak said:

Im curious in how hot others X58 CPU´s runs stock or OC and maybe what cpu cooling are used.

 

My own I7 980X @ stock and 4.43 GHz and 1.41 volts. CPU cooled by Noctua NH-D14 with 3 noctua nf-f12 ippc-3000 pwm fans and thermal grizzly kryonaut paste. CPU is not lapped or delid.

 

4.43 GHz at 1.41 volt

 

I usually see high 60's to mid 70's under load. X5675 23x200, 4.6ghz@1.4v 

https://valid.x86.fr/x68ulw

 

NH-D14, MX-4 paste, 2 NF-P14r 1500rpm's on the heatsink in a Corsair 450D with 2 NF-P14s 1200's in the front and a NF-P12 1300 in the rear. My X5660 saw some improvements from lapping but core 6 was like 30c hotter than like core 3 or 4. I got a X5675 for $25 and upgraded from 191x23 on the X5660.

 

Are we recommending the E5649 to buy? I didn't even know this cpu existed! Many people just want like 4.0-4.4ghz out of these cpus, although my base clock wall is lower at like 208-210. 200x20 is still pretty potent and should be doable on most lower end boards with maybe even using the turbo. They were $12.99 shipped on ebay last night, I was just thinking since it's a late production like the X5675 maybe it makes everything else in between redundant because of the price and xeons being locked multiplier anyways. If you want the most, you're gonna pay the $30 for the X5675 where as if you don't have massive cooling and just want a simple stable system saving the $20 might be better?