Apple MacBook Pro running on Intel 8th gen cpus

[NumLock21]

17 minutes ago, SeanAngelo said:

but still.... its a macbook. overpriced pos.

 

im debating whether to get the dell xps 13 8th gen or wait for the xps 15 8th gen.

Their Inspiron line up got the 8th gen update as well. XPS looks nice, but the camera positioning sucks. And now with Windows Hello, it adds a infrared sensors or 2, along with the main one, so when it activates, you see the red IR beams blasting, making it literally look like nose hair seeking cameras.

[zberry7]

4 minutes ago, Dylanc1500 said:

Yes, with a physical key for 50$

Coming to no stores near you 3 months after release!

[Dylanc1500]

6 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

You missed a few zeros

Oops! No wonder my calculations were off. Gotta have those %10000 profit margins.

[TheCherryKing]

The battery life is going to be ass! 

[79wjd]

25 minutes ago, SeanAngelo said:

but still.... its a macbook. overpriced pos.

 

im debating whether to get the dell xps 13 8th gen or wait for the xps 15 8th gen.

You literally (ridiculous sums of money excluded) couldnt pay me to use an xps 13/15 that you have me for free over a mac I had to buy.

[SeanAngelo]

3 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

You literally (ridiculous sums of money excluded) couldnt pay me to use an xps 13/15 over a mac.

and why is that?

[79wjd]

6 minutes ago, SeanAngelo said:

and why is that?

Because Windows is such utter shit. If I could get away with never using Windows it would still be to soon.

[SeanAngelo]

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Because Windows is such utter shit. If I could get away with never using Windows it would still be to soon.

well, we all have our own opinions

[Mr.Meerkat]

56 minutes ago, SeanAngelo said:

but still.... its a macbook. overpriced pos.

 

im debating whether to get the dell xps 13 8th gen or wait for the xps 15 8th gen.

Eh? 

Last time I checked Macbook's were only roughly £50~ more than a Dell XPS with similar configurations (i.e. same amount of storage, RAM, both i5s ect.)

 

To be fair, this was back in 2016 and it was a comparison between the non-touchbar 2016 MBP 13 and a Dell XPS 13  

 

Edit: Also forgot to mention a major flaw with XPS'S (and this applies to the majority if not all Window's based laptops), they don't actually have full 'phat' TB3 ports. Their type C ports are only 2 PCIe lane ports meaning they are more like TB2 ports (bandwidth wise) so even if Macbook's are £200 more expensive, it can be justified  

And no, this is a real thing, here's a quote directly from Dell's own website, "1 Thunderbolt™ 3 (2 lanes of PCI Express Gen 3)"

Edited September 26, 2017 by Mr.Meerkat
Thought it would be useful to add that little bit extra :D

[Drak3]

11 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Eh? 

Last time I checked Macbook's were only roughly £50~ more than a Dell XPS with similar configurations (i.e. same amount of storage, RAM, both i5s ect.)

 

To be fair, this was back in 2016 and it was a comparison between the non-touchbar 2016 MBP 13 and a Dell XPS 13  

Around a 600-700USD difference between 15" models that sport 7700HQ and 16GB RAM.

Radeon Pro 555 on MBP (2gb)

GTX 1060 6gb on XPS 15

[79wjd]

37 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Eh? 

Last time I checked Macbook's were only roughly £50~ more than a Dell XPS with similar configurations (i.e. same amount of storage, RAM, both i5s ect.)

 

To be fair, this was back in 2016 and it was a comparison between the non-touchbar 2016 MBP 13 and a Dell XPS 13  

It comes down to how you can figure them, the XPS comes in a wider range of prices (and specs). I personally need a >1080p display, so I wouldn't even consider a 1080p XPS, and I also need 16GB of RAM. I also don't care about a touch screen and I would prefer to not have a dGPU. Those requirements would make the 13" MBP (non touch bar) about $100 cheaper than the XPS 13, and the touchbar 13" MBP about $200 more than the XPS 13. I care a lot about how good the trackpad, scaling, battery life, and weight. I also need a 15" laptop, so neither of those would be options for me, and I'd be looking at $2000 for the XPS 15 vs. $2600 for a 15" MBP where the XPS 15 has a 1050, a touch screen 4k display, and 512GB SSD compared to the 15" MBP with a Pro 555, non-touch 2880x1800 display, and 256GB SSD. I personally don't need more than 256gb of storage, so the extra storage on the XPS 15 is just going to be wasted, and I would opt for the $2400 MBP. The MBP has a better trackpad, battery life, and is lighter, while the XPS 15 has a better keyboard, and is physically smaller (because of the infinity display that I really wish Macs would get). 

 

So the disparity in price between Macs and other ultrabooks isn't quite what it is made out to be, but it certainly exists depending on specific configurations and use cases. I'm also not particularly happy with the latest Macs since I would ideally get the iGPU only 15", which would have been around $2000 (based on past prices) and came with Iris Pro 680. 

 

XPS vs. MBP: 

EDIT: Nice forums, way to break everything

 

 

XPS 13 ($1400)

 

• i5-7200u
• HD 620
• 128gb SSD (+$100 for 256)
• 3200x1800 touch
• 8GB RAM 

XPS 13 ($1650) 

• i7-8550u
• UHD 620
• 256gb SSD
• 3200x1800 touch
• 8GB Ram

XPS 13 ($1700)

• i7-7560u
• Iris Plus 640
• 256gb SSD ($150 for 512, +$550 for 1TB)
• 3200x1800
• 8gb RAM (+$100 for 16)

MBP 13" ($1300)

• i5-7360u
• Iris Plus 640
• 128GB SSD (+$200 for 256gb, +$400 for 512gb, +$800 for 1TB)
• 2560x1440 (non touch)
• 8GB RAM (+$200 for 16gb)

MBP 13" TouchBar ($1800)

• i5-7267u
• Iris Plus 650
• 256gb SSD (+$200 for 512, +$600 for 1TB)
• 2560x1400 (non touch)
• 8GB RAM (+$200 for 16gb)

XPS 15 vs. MBP 15":

 

XPS 15 ($1800)

• i7-7700HQ
• GTX 1050 4GB
• 256GB SSD
• 4K touch
• 8GB RAM

XPS 15 ($2000)

• i7-7700HQ
• GTX 1050 4GB
• 512GB SSD
• 4K touch
• 16GB RAM

MBP 15" ($2400)

• i7-7700HQ
• Radeon Pro 555 2GB ($100 for 4gb Pro 560)
• 256gb SSD (+$200 for 512gb, +$600 for 1TB, +$1400 for 2TB)
• 2880x1800 (non touch)
• 16GB RAM

[Mr.Meerkat]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

The MBP has a better trackpad, battery life, and is lighter

Don't forget how currently, none of the XPSes have 'real' TB3 (if that's important to you). 

 

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Around a 600-700USD difference between 15" models that sport 7700HQ and 16GB RAM.

Radeon Pro 555 on MBP (2gb)

GTX 1060 6gb on XPS 15

Yeah, you're right, for the 15" models, spec to spec, the macbook is more expensive however for the 13" models, its a completely different story  

I mean currently, a base-specced (i5-8250U, 8GB RAM, 256GB PCIe, 1080p non-touch ect) Dell XPS 13 is £1300 (or £1200 if there are sales/offers on) while a base-specced non-touchbar MBP 13 (i5, 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD ect.) is £1250. Yes, you are getting 128GB less storage however you're getting a considerably better iGPU (HD 620 vs 640), a much better display (brightness, resolution and colour-accuracy wise), faster SSD (meaning prices will have to go up due to it) and I've not even touched onto how the XPS has a cheapo-implementation of type C...

 

Frankly in my opinion, people can call the 15" MBP overpriced if they wanted to as spec-to-spec, it is a little overpriced (this disregards screen quality, TB3, how the PCIe SSDs used by apple are generally some of the fastest while the likes of dell only uses SSDs that are medium-grade if not on the lower end, speed wise). However there's no point in saying the MBP13 is overpriced as its not overpriced at all (compared to its actual competitors at least). 

[Drak3]

4 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Don't forget how currently, none of the XPSes have 'real' TB3 (if that's important to you). 

 

Yeah, you're right, for the 15" models, spec to spec, the macbook is more expensive however for the 13" models, its a completely different story  

I mean currently, a base-specced (i5-8250U, 8GB RAM, 256GB PCIe, 1080p non-touch ect) Dell XPS 13 is £1300 (or £1200 if there are sales/offers on) while a base-specced non-touchbar MBP 13 (i5, 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD ect.) is £1250. Yes, you are getting 128GB less storage however you're getting a considerably better iGPU (HD 620 vs 640), a much better display (brightness, resolution and colour-accuracy wise), faster SSD (meaning prices will have to go up due to it) and I've not even touched onto how the XPS has a cheapo-implementation of type C...

 

Frankly in my opinion, people can call the 15" MBP overpriced if they wanted to as spec-to-spec, it is a little overpriced (this disregards screen quality, TB3, how the PCIe SSDs used by apple are generally some of the fastest while the likes of dell only uses SSDs that are medium-grade if not on the lower end, speed wise). However there's no point in saying the MBP13 is overpriced as its not overpriced at all (compared to its actual competitors at least). 

All 13" ultrathins are overpriced. Can't blame or knock Apple if their competitors are being assbags about their equivalent's pricing.

[79wjd]

25 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Don't forget how currently, none of the XPSes have 'real' TB3 (if that's important to you). 

 

Yeah, you're right, for the 15" models, spec to spec, the macbook is more expensive however for the 13" models, its a completely different story  

I mean currently, a base-specced (i5-8250U, 8GB RAM, 256GB PCIe, 1080p non-touch ect) Dell XPS 13 is £1300 (or £1200 if there are sales/offers on) while a base-specced non-touchbar MBP 13 (i5, 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD ect.) is £1250. Yes, you are getting 128GB less storage however you're getting a considerably better iGPU (HD 620 vs 640), a much better display (brightness, resolution and colour-accuracy wise), faster SSD (meaning prices will have to go up due to it) and I've not even touched onto how the XPS has a cheapo-implementation of type C...

 

Frankly in my opinion, people can call the 15" MBP overpriced if they wanted to as spec-to-spec, it is a little overpriced (this disregards screen quality, TB3, how the PCIe SSDs used by apple are generally some of the fastest while the likes of dell only uses SSDs that are medium-grade if not on the lower end, speed wise). However there's no point in saying the MBP13 is overpriced as its not overpriced at all (compared to its actual competitors at least). 

Most people still refuse to look at facts regardless of how many times this has been pointed out. It always comes back to: FAKE NEWS!!! Apple is overpriced for everything. Stop trying to cover up the conspiracy.

[Commodus]

28 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

All 13" ultrathins are overpriced. Can't blame or knock Apple if their competitors are being assbags about their equivalent's pricing.

Really?  All of them?  Actually, that suggests to me that you just don't see value in 13-inch ultrathin laptops and believe your personal tastes govern what others should think.

 

As for the actual OP story: assuming this is real, it's interesting -- it suggests Apple is back to the days of updating Macs with new processor generations when it can, rather than skipping generations until it sees a big performance delta.  That drove me nuts, because you knew there were improvements you weren't getting just because Apple didn't think it was worth the expense of updating the internals.  I suspect the whole "Apple is abandoning the Mac" fear around late 2016 really touched a nerve and led it to update with greater frequency.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Commodus said:

Really?  All of them?  Actually, that suggests to me that you just don't see value in 13-inch ultrathin laptops and believe your personal tastes govern what others should think.

It's consequence of the form factor. And while I personally don't like the small screens, I do see them having their uses and audiences.

[AlexGoesHigh]

does the kbl refresh also included the hq series cpu's? cause for march i may have to buy a 15" mbp as a gift and it would be nice for the mbp refresh to be available by then, since apple never changes its prices even on 4 year old hardware...

[The Benjamins]

Oh wow, that is barely faster then the AMD R5 2500u leaks.

[Commodus]

1 minute ago, AlexGoesHigh said:

does the kbl refresh also included the hq series cpu's? cause for march i may have to buy a 15" mbp as a gift and it would be nice for the mbp refresh to be available by then, since apple never changes its prices even on 4 year old hardware...

Yessir: if you get a 15-inch model, you're getting an HQ chip.  There's a chance you'll see Coffee Lake by then.  I'm not sure that Apple will update the MBP before 2018 since it only just refreshed the hardware in June, but by March?  It's a distinct possibility.

[TheCherryKing]

2 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

Oh wow, that is barely faster then the AMD R5 2500u leaks.

AMD is skipping over the first generation of Zen for the mobile CPU's?

[Sauron]

Geekbench 

[The Benjamins]

Just now, TheCherryKing said:

AMD is skipping over the first generation of Zen for the mobile CPU's?

I think they will use Zen+ which is Zen on 14nm+, which will hopefully get us improved efficiency and clocks.

[Drak3]

4 minutes ago, TheCherryKing said:

AMD is skipping over the first generation of Zen for the mobile CPU's?

ATM, it looks like no. AMD just wants to compete with Intel for the  dumbest naming scheme crown.

[Jito463]

14 hours ago, Spork829 said:

Still waiting for them to just ditch Intel and put their own chips in Macbooks.

I think once Intel makes TB an open standard, that may well happen.  I'm fairly certain that's the only reason Apple has stayed with Intel.

[SeraphicWings]

Now I feel like being robbed for buying a dual-core i5 Macbook for $1500