French cloud company Qarnot using Ryzen CPUs to heat water while in use

[Guest]

originally posted in CPUs, Motherboards and Memory subforum by @ashu1106 

 

No, this isn't a joke to make fun of Ryzen heat output.

 

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/14/qarnot_drops_intel_adopts_amd/

 

I'll get on board when it can fry bacon.

[Drak3]

Intel's HEDT platforms, running an AVX workload, would be substancially more effective, pyo.

[laminutederire]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Intel's HEDT platforms, running an AVX workload, would be substancially more effective, pyo.

To heat water indeed!

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Intel's HEDT platforms, running an AVX workload, would be substancially more effective, pyo.

Might as well be called 'Intel HEAT' amirite

 

sorry

[Princess Luna]

Am I the only one bothered by the fact they never specified which i7 they used to use what feels like this was a cheap marketing in favour to Ryzen and its "50% performance increase"

[3rrant]

6 minutes ago, LeinadTM said:

originally posted in CPUs, Motherboards and Memory subforum by @ashu1106 

 

No, this isn't a joke to make fun of Ryzen heat output.

 

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/14/qarnot_drops_intel_adopts_amd/

 

I'll get on board when it can fry bacon.

A lot misleading title,they do it for the cores-to-power ratio

[Drak3]

Just now, LeinadTM said:

Might as well be called 'Intel HEAT' amirite

 

sorry

Heating Extreme, Daring Tempuratures, pyo.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, ErrantNyles said:

A lot misleading title,they do it for the cores-to-power ratio

Fair point. Should I remove the word 'Ryzen' from the title?

[AnalogCanavity]

Lol

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Am I the only one bothered by the fact they never specified which i7 they used to use what feels like this was a cheap marketing in favour to Ryzen and its "50% performance increase"

I mean, I don't think it helps with the marketing saying they get hot enough to heat water, but yeah. It was probably the X299 i7s, but who knows.

[dogetorhue]

8 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Am I the only one bothered by the fact they never specified which i7 they used to use what feels like this was a cheap marketing in favour to Ryzen and its "50% performance increase"

The virtualization workload would benefit from more cores...

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, LeinadTM said:

It was probably the X299 i7s

Impossible to be the latest HEDT i7's as they all severely outperforms common Ryzen 7 processors, they are bad value for money or overpriced sure but no fucking way a Ryzen 7 1800x is 45% faster than an i7 7820x, in fact it isn't faster than even a i7 6900k, it is more likely these servers were rocking old i7 3960k's or some other x79 chipset processor.

 

4 minutes ago, dogetorhue said:

The virtualization workload would benefit from more cores...

There are i7's with up to 10c/20t that easily outperforms any Ryzen on virtualization which reinforces my point that when you don't specify which model it is you're just doing a cheap propaganda

[laminutederire]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Impossible to be the latest HEDT i7's as they all severely outperforms common Ryzen 7 processors, they are bad value for money or overpriced sure but no fucking way a Ryzen 7 1800x is 45% faster than an i7 7820x, in fact it isn't faster than even a i7 6900k, it is more likely these servers were rocking old i7 3960k's or some other x79 chipset processor.

 

There are i7's with up to 10c/20t that easily outperforms any Ryzen on virtualization which reinforces my point that when you don't specify which model it is you're just doing a cheap propaganda

Salty fanboyism alert.

They said exactly which cpu they are referring to. They had less cores on their system before, that should tell you exactly what you need to know.

That and they can choose whatever cpu they want, you don't have to judge what they take. In this case there are obvious reason to go team red. You have great perf for a much lower cost, and for something you'd want to use spread out as boilers, it's actually better not to have 4000€ worth of hardware laying around for some people to grab. Since it's for a distributed cloud, they won't overclock cpus, so Intel perf isn't necessarily as impressive as they benefit from more overclocking headroom. Finally ryzen pro can maybe offer some encryption goodies whivh are preferable for a distributed system of the sort. They have plenty reasons to go this way.

[Sauron]

Quote

 “Ryzen Pro is producing the same heat as the equivalent Intel CPUs we were using while providing twice as many cores.”

This sounds like a testament to their efficiency rather than a critique to their heat output ^^

[Sniperfox47]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

Am I the only one bothered by the fact they never specified which i7 they used to use what feels like this was a cheap marketing in favour to Ryzen and its "50% performance increase"

Quad core (according to this article), 4.0Ghz boost(according to their website), Skylake(according to it being released Q2 2016, and news articles about it from it's launch). So are there any options other than the 6700 (non-k)?

[Princess Luna]

48 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Salty fanboyism alert.

I have a Ryzen 7 1800x ........??

 

49 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

They said exactly which cpu they are referring to

They said i7, there are about 20 i7's so nope.

 

49 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

They had less cores on their system before, that should tell you exactly what you need to know.

This was never stated in this poorly written article, it simply said they had performance improve worth of 45%... with zero methodology to explain it.

 

50 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

That and they can choose whatever cpu they want, you don't have to judge what they take.

Of course any one can have the CPU of their choices, where did I ever judged their choice for CPU? I criticized the article as it is extremely poorly written and does not specify any thing.

 

51 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

In this case there are obvious reason to go team red. You have great perf for a much lower cost, and for something you'd want to use spread out as boilers, it's actually better not to have 4000€ worth of hardware laying around for some people to grab.

Value is dictated by need which is subjective and not worth arguing about.

 

52 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Since it's for a distributed cloud, they won't overclock cpus, so Intel perf isn't necessarily as impressive as they benefit from more overclocking headroom.

Neither will the Ryzen be overclocked meaning the single core performance which still is relevant as it does dictates how good multi-threaded performance can be will show even greater gap, it has been seen how the i7 8700k with 6c/12t only matches if not outperforms the R7 1700 in MULTI-Threaded performance, why? better cores beats more bad cores.

 

54 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Finally ryzen pro can maybe offer some encryption goodies whivh are preferable for a distributed system of the sort. They have plenty reasons to go this way.

Ryzen Pro main selling point is validation and its encryption security yes, although nothing Intel does not also offer with their Xeon line up, whichever you pick is simply a matter of preference based on need rather than simplistic "this is better".

 

Finally I do ask for @wkdpaul attention as following the guideline:
Your thread must include a link to at least one reputable source. Most of the time, this should be a respected news site.

I honestly fail to see this article as reputable content at all.

 

[Agosto]

45 minutes ago, Sauron said:

This sounds like a testament to their efficiency rather than a critique to their heat output ^^

It definitely is

 

[Nup]

That would be excellent, we have so much potential heating sitting around in our world.

[NumLock21]

You know some pictures on it will be nice. And that article is wrong. It will use both AMD and Intel cpus.

 

[mr moose]

7 hours ago, ErrantNyles said:

A lot misleading title,they do it for the cores-to-power ratio

If you read the article it's not misleading at all.

6 hours ago, laminutederire said:

Salty fanboyism alert.

They said exactly which cpu they are referring to. They had less cores on their system before, that should tell you exactly what you need to know.

That and they can choose whatever cpu they want, you don't have to judge what they take. In this case there are obvious reason to go team red. You have great perf for a much lower cost, and for something you'd want to use spread out as boilers, it's actually better not to have 4000€ worth of hardware laying around for some people to grab. Since it's for a distributed cloud, they won't overclock cpus, so Intel perf isn't necessarily as impressive as they benefit from more overclocking headroom. Finally ryzen pro can maybe offer some encryption goodies whivh are preferable for a distributed system of the sort. They have plenty reasons to go this way.

The article does not say which i7, in fact the article doesn't even qualify with any performance figures.  For all we know they had 4 core haswells in their servers last year.  Of course ryzen will have double the core count with higher temp output if that's the case.   Hell, we should even expect a good increase in overall performance too from such a comparison. In fact given one of their driving motives was to balance performance with heat generation, we don't even know what compromises they made and if they would have chosen a different CPU had the heat output requirements been slightly different.

 

The article is about not wasting heat output from server/render farms.  It's not a benchmark review. 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

7 hours ago, LeinadTM said:

I mean, I don't think it helps with the marketing saying they get hot enough to heat water, but yeah.

Any CPU ever made(*) gets hot enough to heat water under load - just try running them without a heatsink.

This isn't different than liquid cooling, except in closed loop liquid cooling the design focuses on keeping the water cool, while here it's more of an "open" loop, designed so that the water does get hot, but it's replaced by new, cold water. 

7 hours ago, LeinadTM said:

It was probably the X299 i7s, but who knows.

Given that X299 is barely out, I doubt anyone buying them is already replacing them with anything, Ryzen or not. I'd bet more on over stuff, at least a generation old, to justify replacement. 

[NoxiousOdor]

I thought cloud company meant they made clouds for longer than I would like to admit. I did eventually figure it out but I had a moment there.

 

Sometimes I worry myself

[SpaceGhostC2C]

5 minutes ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

I thought cloud company meant they made clouds for longer than I would like to admit. I did eventually figure it out but I had a moment there.

 

Sometimes I worry myself

 

[mr moose]

3 minutes ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

I thought cloud company meant they made clouds for longer than I would like to admit. I did eventually figure it out but I had a moment there.

 

Sometimes I worry myself

 

 

Cloud company at 50% CPU utilization. 

[NoxiousOdor]

2 minutes ago, mr moose said:

 

 

Cloud company at 50% CPU utilization. 

Good thing they went with Ryzen over the Intel cpus they were using