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[Jito463]

9 minutes ago, Notional said:

When did Intel announce their z270 chipset? Before or after AMD?

I couldn't tell you for certain (and I can't locate it via Google), but I'm fairly confident Intel had already announced their 200 series chipsets before AMD announced X370.

[79wjd]

27 minutes ago, Notional said:

When did Intel announce their z270 chipset? Before or after AMD?

Z270 - November 2016: https://www.techpowerup.com/228004/intel-z270-and-h270-chipsets-detailed-more-pcie-lanes

X370 - September 2016: http://wccftech.com/amd-x370-chipset-am4-summit-ridge-processors/

 

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Probably, but I don't agree with the argumentation of it. Noone thinks a z270 based machine is more powerful than an x99 based machine.

And honestly, they shouldn't have to upgrade that often on the CPU side. But still. If you for some reason want to upgrade your CPU, you have to buy a new motherboard too for no reason whatsoever. That is problematic I think.

No one who is tech savvy, sure. But bigger numbers do sell, and that is a known fact. 

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Oh, there are no down sides for Intel to spam out new chipsets constantly. None whatsoever. Plenty of marketing, new boards, new hype, more income, higher prices, etc. No, the downside is entirely for the consumer.

Except it isn't an issue for the vast majority of consumers. And look at AM3+, that caused a mess of problems for a lot of people who decided to upgrade their Phenom to an FX8. Intel has historically made you buy a new motherboard every third generation, which is still shorter than the average upgrade period. 

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Indeed it was. But chipset was announced december 2016. The same time as Intel announced the z270, which means AMD only knew of the z170 chipset when deciding on a number. At the end of the day, AMD could have chosen something else, but they already had a 900 series chipset for the old FX processors, so a new line was needed. Calling it 100 was not possible due to Intel's current z170 lineup. So they chose 2 iterations further up. Not their fault Intel decided to catch up in less than a year.

So AMD knew that Intel has done: Z67, Z77, Z87, Z97, and Z170, and didn't expect Intel to go to Z270 (Even MSI expected Z270 at Computex) or Z370. Okay.....right. And let's assume they thought Intel would change it (for some reason), AMD still stole the naming scheme. 

 

Intel also has C2_2 and C2_6 for E3 and C6_2, C6_4, C6_6, and C6_8 for E5...there is literally an infinite number of other naming schemes they could have chosen instead of the same _50/_70 scheme that Intel was already using. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

14 minutes ago, Notional said:

When did Intel announce their z270 chipset? Before or after AMD?

Probably, but I don't agree with the argumentation of it. Noone thinks a z270 based machine is more powerful than an x99 based machine.

And honestly, they shouldn't have to upgrade that often on the CPU side. But still. If you for some reason want to upgrade your CPU, you have to buy a new motherboard too for no reason whatsoever. That is problematic I think.

 

Oh, there are no down sides for Intel to spam out new chipsets constantly. None whatsoever. Plenty of marketing, new boards, new hype, more income, higher prices, etc. No, the downside is entirely for the consumer.

 

Indeed it was. But chipset was announced december 2016. The same time as Intel announced the z270, which means AMD only knew of the z170 chipset when deciding on a number. At the end of the day, AMD could have chosen something else, but they already had a 900 series chipset for the old FX processors, so a new line was needed. Calling it 100 was not possible due to Intel's current z170 lineup. So they chose 2 iterations further up. Not their fault Intel decided to catch up in less than a year.

Let's step back.

 

The average consumer doesn't give a damn what the name of the chipset is. It could be named "Unicorn Farts" for all they know, but it's a spec they don't care about.

 

Enthusiasts however should know that comparing model numbers between companies is meaningless. You'd be called dumb to think a GT 1030 is better than an RX 580 because 1030 > 580 amirite? So it's silly to think that Intel is playing "catchup" because AMD decided to name their chipset lineup close enough to Intel and at the same time play off some cheap oneupsmanship. I don't care that AMD has a 300 series chipset and Intel has a 200 series chipset other than they have a chipset for some processor.

[RotoCoreOne]

I always wondered. Is there not a way to use sodimm on a mini itx board so you can 4 memory modules?

[79wjd]

6 minutes ago, RotoCoreOne said:

I always wondered. Is there not a way to use sodimm on a mini itx board so you can 4 memory modules?

Some motherboards used SO-DIMM, but the modules are usuaslly noticeably more expensive and not small enough (by enough) to warrant that, and probably higher manufacturing costs due to having to stock an extra component. 

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128996&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Motherboards+-+Intel-_-N82E16813128996&gclid=Cj0KCQjwub7NBRDJARIsAP7wlT8caYgcv5YtIKmhmAhDirhKZ38bJCGWzv0zX_sWYPVjARw6LtgOk6gaAjfgEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

I've never seen a motherboard use laptop-like SO-DIMM slots....durability reasons maybe? 

[Notional]

1 hour ago, djdwosk97 said:

Z270 - November 2016: https://www.techpowerup.com/228004/intel-z270-and-h270-chipsets-detailed-more-pcie-lanes

X370 - September 2016: http://wccftech.com/amd-x370-chipset-am4-summit-ridge-processors/

 

No one who is tech savvy, sure. But bigger numbers do sell, and that is a known fact. 

Except it isn't an issue for the vast majority of consumers. And look at AM3+, that caused a mess of problems for a lot of people who decided to upgrade their Phenom to an FX8. Intel has historically made you buy a new motherboard every third generation, which is still shorter than the average upgrade period. 

So AMD knew that Intel has done: Z67, Z77, Z87, Z97, and Z170, and didn't expect Intel to go to Z270 (Even MSI expected Z270 at Computex) or Z370. Okay.....right. And let's assume they thought Intel would change it (for some reason), AMD still stole the naming scheme. 

 

Intel also has C2_2 and C2_6 for E3 and C6_2, C6_4, C6_6, and C6_8 for E5...there is literally an infinite number of other naming schemes they could have chosen instead of the same _50/_70 scheme that Intel was already using. 

Thank you. So Intel's chipset at the time of AMD's announcement was z170. That's my point. AMD did have 970, 980 and 990 chipsets with their FX series on the old CPU's. So resetting was necessary. And starting with 100 when Intel was using 170 in their current generation, meant that wasn't useful. Again, it's hardly AMD's fault, Intel is spamming chipset iterations.

 

Indeed. That is the biggest argument against AMD using 370: They could have called it something very different. And honestly, they probably should have.

 

1 hour ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Let's step back.

 

The average consumer doesn't give a damn what the name of the chipset is. It could be named "Unicorn Farts" for all they know, but it's a spec they don't care about.

 

Exactly. And the average consumer would never buy HEDT anyways.

[snortingfrogs]

Dat Taichi motherboard

 

[PCGuy_5960]

2 hours ago, mynameisjuan said:

Wow so much bitching about a chipset name. Guys get over it, its just a name. 

And it's not Intel's fault that AMD decided to copy Intel's chipset names

[paddy-stone]

4 hours ago, Notional said:

Z370? Really? Could both Intel stop being wankers and name their chipsets that close to AMD? It wasn't exactly brilliant when AMD went with x370 either, but now it's just total confusion.

It's not exactly confusing, x370 on AMD side is for AM4 socket, and intels x370 is socket 1151 IIRC?

 

Yes it's not ideal, but really who gives a damn about the name of the chipset.

[Dabombinable]

It seems that my next board will be from Asrock. They remembered how to make a heatsink, unlike Asus.

[Notional]

48 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

It's not exactly confusing, x370 on AMD side is for AM4 socket, and intels x370 is socket 1151 IIRC?

 

Yes it's not ideal, but really who gives a damn about the name of the chipset.

It's z370 on 1151. You already got confused ?

[paddy-stone]

1 minute ago, Notional said:

It's z370 on 1151. You already got confused ?

LOL, yes you got me, I mis-typed... typical

 

[VagabondWraith]

1 hour ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

And it's not Intel's fault that AMD decided to copy Intel's chipset names

i3 > i5 > i7.

r3 > r5 > r7.

 

Hmmmm.

[79wjd]

2 hours ago, Notional said:

Thank you. So Intel's chipset at the time of AMD's announcement was z170. That's my point.

Except even someone with the intelligence of a chipmunk could have guessed (with a decent bit of certainty) that Intel's next chipset would be _270 followed by _370. 

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AMD did have 970, 980 and 990 chipsets with their FX series on the old CPU's. So resetting was necessary. And starting with 100 when Intel was using 170 in their current generation, meant that wasn't useful. Again, it's hardly AMD's fault, Intel is spamming chipset iterations.

I'm not saying AMD can't use 100, 200, 300, etc... I'm saying that AMD deliberately chose the same tier numbers that intel is using -- 50 and 70. They could have made the chipset B315 and X395, or B338 and X368, they could have done B38 and X84, there are literally an infinite number of names they could have chosen, but they chose to go with the same _50, _70, and _99 naming scheme that Intel uses. And so, you can't blame Intel for the confusion with the naming scheme -- it is 100% AMD's fault.

 

1 minute ago, VagabondWraith said:

i3 > i5 > i7.

r3 > r5 > r7.

 

Hmmmm.

Intel stole it. They traveled through time to see what AMD was going to name Ryzen. 

[PCGuy_5960]

4 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

i3 > i5 > i7.

r3 > r5 > r7.

 

Hmmmm.

X399>X370>B350

X299>Z270>B250

 

[AbeTrve]

Quick thought after seeing the ITX board: Why haven't they moved to SO-DIMMs?

[Bananasplit_00]

talk about takeing "meh" to the next level in looks ASRock...

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Pcpp doesn't exist

[Drak3]

14 hours ago, VagabondWraith said:

i3 > i5 > i7.

r3 > r5 > r7.

 

Hmmmm.

AMD has been using the whole 'bigger number prefix denotes higher tier' scheme for a long time. GPUs, SSDs, APUs, CPUs. Hell, R3, 5, 7, and 9 isn't even new for them.

They just aligned their new products to their Intel counterparts in price.

[You_are_a_cunt]

That ITX board looks nice.

I mean, dual gigabit NIC and 6 SATA ports? That'd make a killer NAS

[Hunter259]

TLDR : AMD can do no wrong.

[79wjd]

8 hours ago, AbeTrve said:

Quick thought after seeing the ITX board: Why haven't they moved to SO-DIMMs?

If I had to guess it would be because SO-DIMM modules are usually noticeably more expensive and they're not small enough by enough to free up enough space on the board to do much with. And so it isn't warranted for consumers to have to pay more for RAM and for manufacturers to have to pay more for stocking a and utilizing an extra component. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

8 hours ago, AbeTrve said:

Quick thought after seeing the ITX board: Why haven't they moved to SO-DIMMs?

 

24 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

If I had to guess it would be because SO-DIMM modules are usually noticeably more expensive and they're not small enough by enough to free up enough space on the board to do much with. And so it isn't warranted for consumers to have to pay more for RAM and for manufacturers to have to pay more for stocking a and utilizing an extra component. 

Just quoting both to kill two birds with one stone.

 

SO-DIMMs aren't any more expensive than DIMMs. Though high performance SO-DIMMS are practically non-existant. As of this post's timestamp, the fastest SO-DIMM I could find on PCPP is DDR4-2800. So going to SO-DIMM would limit the performance of your super awesome gaming board. However I have seen mini-ITX and smaller form factors using SO-DIMM if they're not meant for gaming. Like for POS or thin clients.

 

Now what I want to know is why nobody's attempted the DFI Lan Party layout anymore. If you don't know what that is:

 

From an ATX airflow stand point, this makes more sense.

[NumLock21]

1 hour ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Now what I want to know is why nobody's attempted the DFI Lan Party layout anymore. If you don't know what that is:

 

From an ATX airflow stand point, this makes more sense.

That is not DFI's layout. It's the layout for BTX. Dell was the only one that went with it, while others were bickering on the stupidity of how everything is now installed upside down.

[AbeTrve]

2 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Spoiler

 

Just quoting both to kill two birds with one stone.

 

SO-DIMMs aren't any more expensive than DIMMs. Though high performance SO-DIMMS are practically non-existant. As of this post's timestamp, the fastest SO-DIMM I could find on PCPP is DDR4-2800. So going to SO-DIMM would limit the performance of your super awesome gaming board. However I have seen mini-ITX and smaller form factors using SO-DIMM if they're not meant for gaming. Like for POS or thin clients.

 

Now what I want to know is why nobody's attempted the DFI Lan Party layout anymore. If you don't know what that is:

 

From an ATX airflow stand point, this makes more sense.

 

 

 I would love to see this making a comeback, I'd get a Silverstone FT05 for one of these in a blink.