Cannabis Legalisation

[WillFromGA]

All I'm saying is two wrongs don't make a right. Just because alcohol is legal, doesn't mean marajuana shoud be too. 

 

Another thing is, second hand smoke is gonna be a huge problem. 

 

Besides, alcohol being legal, why else should marajuana (out of ALL the illegal drugs in the world) be legal?

[Real_PhillBert]

All I'm saying is two wrongs don't make a right. Just because alcohol is legal, doesn't mean marajuana shoud be too.

Another thing is, second hand smoke is gonna be a huge problem.

Besides, alcohol being legal, why else should marajuana (out of ALL the illegal drugs in the world) be legal?

Because you should have the freedom to make your own choices about what you wish to subject your body to.

[techswede]

God, I love Scandinavians. Why can't we have more of this thinking stateside?

 

Probably because taxes aren't going to state sponsored healthcare and stuff like that.

Because my taxes are going to the state budget (Unfortunately a lot of it ends up in the pockets of politicians) And that leads to me getting free healthcare and dental for a few years i'm more inclined to pay them and support that i suppose.

It's all about incentives.

Now if you don't mind i'll brace myself for the storm of people calling me a commie/socialist idiot

[Builder]

Probably because taxes aren't going to state sponsored healthcare and stuff like that.

Because my taxes are going to the state budget (Unfortunately a lot of it ends up in the pockets of politicians) And that leads to me getting free healthcare and dental for a few years i'm more inclined to pay them and support that i suppose.

It's all about incentives.

Now if you don't mind i'll brace myself for the storm of people calling me a commie/socialist idiot

But state-sponsored healthcare is SOCIALIST.

 

And? Explain to me why that's a bad thing. Socialism is not the antithesis of capitalism, it is the next step on the path towards complete societal enlightenment and empowerment of the working human.

[Jumper118]

God, I love Scandinavians. Why can't we have more of this thinking stateside?

 

You have to trust people with the decisions they make for their own lives. You need to educate people correctly about drugs, (not overhyping how addictive any given drug is which is quite common) then you need to let them decide for themselves whether or not they want to use drugs. More importantly you need to educate people about how dangerous guns are but that's far too taboo for the US. Heaven forbid you tell people how dangerous owning a gun is statistically speaking.

 

You'll end up paying more for their prison time. Gateway drug theory has been disproven several times. It's bullshit.

 

Weed is illegal in the US because for a long time it was mostly the drug of persons of color, and it's just one more cog in a giant machine designed to take away the rights of anyone who isn't white by putting them in jail. There's a reason marijuana is a schedule 1 drug while cocaine is schedule 2 and it's not because weed is more dangerous.

i don't live in the us. most of the people who i know to have taken weed have gone on to take other things as well. also a lot of people are too stupid to have too much freedom 

 

All I'm saying is two wrongs don't make a right. Just because alcohol is legal, doesn't mean marajuana shoud be too. 

 

Another thing is, second hand smoke is gonna be a huge problem. 

 

Besides, alcohol being legal, why else should marajuana (out of ALL the illegal drugs in the world) be legal?

thats a good point. it does make a smell. 

[Toxic Tom]

It should definitely be legalised, there are very little side affects, even smoking it really isn't that bad for you (compared to cigarettes which are absolutely terrible for you).

 

And don't forget the medical uses which are seemingly endless.

 

I really see no reason for it to be illegal.

[zappian]

How about the state stops being greedy and makes tobacco illegal?

 

The thing about making tobbaco illegal is that you will have more people that smoke it dropping dead.

 

Cannabis is already laced with glass ( no real glass) to increase bulk.

Criminals dont care about your well being.

 

Its what happened in the 20s with moonshine.

[techswede]

But state-sponsored healthcare is SOCIALIST.

 

And? Explain to me why that's a bad thing. Socialism is not the antithesis of capitalism, it is the next step on the path towards complete societal enlightenment and empowerment of the working human.

Yes i know. But some people use it as an insult.

 

I don't think it's a bad thing. But i have been caught in complete shitstorms just because i mention it in a positive light. Mostly by people from 'murica just because it is socialist

[Builder]

also a lot of people are too stupid to have too much freedom

You realize that's basically the lynchpin of authoritarian fascism, right? 

 

Mostly by people from 'murica just because it is socialist

Trust me. As a dirty commie living in one of those aggressive Northern (with a capital N) states, I know what you mean.

[Sauron]

The thing about making tobbaco illegal is that you will have more people that smoke it dropping dead.

 

Cannabis is already laced with glass ( no real glass) to increase bulk.

Criminals dont care about your well being.

 

Its what happened in the 20s with moonshine.

 

That's possible, however we would probably see a drastic reduction of both active smoking of pretty much anything in public (since you can't hide it in any way, you'd get caught) and ESPECIALLY passive smoking, which non-smokers like myself are subject to against their will. That would probably compensate and then some for the higher health issue rates of the few remaining active smokers. If 50% of 1 million people get sick it's still a success over having 10% of 100 million getting sick. Plus, no passive smoke. I suppose if the state then offered free and mandatory disintoxication for all smokers and people who get caught smoking then it would be even better.

 

Part of the problem with making cannabis illegal is that it's hard to enforce the law because from far away it could very well seem like they're smoking cigarettes. If you removed cigarettes the scene would look a lot different.

 

One would also think the state should protect its citizens, and part of it is making sure they don't hurt themselves or AT THE VERY LEAST they don't hurt others (passive), if they must at all costs hurt themselves in their house, at that point it's hardly anyone else's business... the state should create an environment when you can easily avoid this kind of thing, then it's down to everyone's responsibility.

[heathd]

I don't care. Treat it like we currently treat tobacco and alcohol.

[Jumper118]

You realize that's basically the lynchpin of authoritarian fascism, right? 

 

Trust me. As a dirty commie living in one of those aggressive Northern (with a capital N) states, I know what you mean.

i don't care what it is. thats my opinion. 

[zappian]

That's possible, however we would probably see a drastic reduction of both active smoking of pretty much anything in public (since you can't hide it in any way, you'd get caught) and ESPECIALLY passive smoking, which non-smokers like myself are subject to against their will. That would probably compensate and then some for the higher health issue rates of the few remaining active smokers. If 50% of 1 million people get sick it's still a success over having 10% of 100 million getting sick. Plus, no passive smoke. I suppose if the state then offered free and mandatory disintoxication for all smokers and people who get caught smoking then it would be even better.

 

Part of the problem with making cannabis illegal is that it's hard to enforce the law because from far away it could very well seem like they're smoking cigarettes. If you removed cigarettes the scene would look a lot different.

 

One would also think the state should protect its citizens, and part of it is making sure they don't hurt themselves or AT THE VERY LEAST they don't hurt others (passive), if they must at all costs hurt themselves in their house, at that point it's hardly anyone else's business... the state should create an environment when you can easily avoid this kind of thing, then it's down to everyone's responsibility.

 

It would be like pouring fire in gasoline.

 

The max we can do is make sure people cant smoke outside in bars etc.

 

I agree with that.

 

But making it illegal would kill a lot of people.

 

If you want to smoke , smoke at home.

 

Do you know what heroin probition did to russia?

 

Krokodil , google it.

[othertomperson]

If you look past the fact that you are smoking weed, it's actually a lot better for you than alcohol. And i enjoy a good puff from time to time. So yea.. i'm in! 

 

- Oh, and my birthday is 4/20 lol

 

Most people advocating the health difference always seem to look past the fact that it's physically terrible for your lungs

 

Still, I hate the fact that I'm not allowed to do stupid things to my own body. That should be a right that I have.

[Master Disaster]

Maybe because cannabis is a stimulant, like other drugs and is harmful to human health, causing paranoia and many other mental illnesses and issues. However, with there also being evidence on cannabis having good side effects, in truth, I don't care.

Err what? Cannabis (or technically THC or cannabinoid) is a psychoactive depressant.

There's one reason why its remained illegal, because it should be. For a start it does cause mental health issues in certain people (everyone is susceptible at high enough doses), that's a proven fact. Next it really is a gateway drug, sure not for everyone but for the youths who start smoking early it really does introduce them into the world of narcotics, and I should know, I was smoking bongs at 14, by 15 was doing E & Speed and by 17 was doing coke & crack. Luckily I don't get on with the big C so didn't do to much crack but I reckon I was a small step away from Heroin, there was people in my circles doing it. Managed to pull my self out and get a flat and job but I couldn't get off the stims till I was late 20s and did so much speed and weed over a week with no sleep I ended up, well in a mess.

Weed might seem like a harmless buzz but I can assure you it really isn't, it gets people hooked on the life and begins the career of all habitual drug users.

Luckily in now off everything, have been for 5 years, still taking happy pills from the doc cause the paranoia and depression comes and goes, the doc said he thinks I did so much damage mentally I might never fully recover.

Alcohol might cause stupidity but it doesn't make people go crazy.

[othertomperson]

Next it really is a gateway drug, sure not for everyone but for the youths who start smoking early it really does introduce them into the world of narcotics, and I should know, I was smoking bongs at 14, by 15 was doing E & Speed and by 17 was doing coke & crack. Luckily I don't get on with the big C so didn't do to much crack but I reckon I was a small step away from Heroin, there was people in my circles doing it. Managed to pull my self out and get a flat and job but I couldn't get off the stims till I was late 20s and did so much speed I ended up, well in a mess.

 

Really? You never drank alcohol before you tried cannabis? I'd argue that if you're going to talk about gateway drugs, alcohol is the elephant in the room.

[Master Disaster]

Really? You never drank alcohol before you tried cannabis? I'd argue that if you're going to talk about gateway drugs, alcohol is the elephant in the room.

Nope I didn't but yeah, I can't argue with you there.

[Sauron]

It would be like pouring fire in gasoline.

 

The max we can do is make sure people cant smoke outside in bars etc.

 

I agree with that.

 

But making it illegal would kill a lot of people.

 

If you want to smoke , smoke at home.

 

I suppose that would be a fair compromise. But again, I really don't see how not selling it anymore would increase the death toll. Smoke can kill, and everyone knows it, it's written on the box. If people choose to not care, at least kill yourself without bringing me down in the process.

[zappian]

Really? You never drank alcohol before you tried cannabis? I'd argue that if you're going to talk about gateway drugs, alcohol is the elephant in the room.

 

Alchool and tobacco.

A study was make than early smokers are much more likely to end up on hard drugs.

[zappian]

I suppose that would be a fair compromise. But again, I really don't see how not selling it anymore would increase the death toll. Smoke can kill, and everyone knows it, it's written on the box. If people choose to not care, at least kill yourself without bringing me down in the process.

 

Google krokodil if you see what stringent prohibiton does.

[WillFromGA]

Because you should have the freedom to make your own choices about what you wish to subject your body to.

Second hand smoke, (yes I understand ciggs...) 

[Guest Kloaked]

Its illegal because america isnt the land of the free and you are just as free as the politicians deem you to be.

Its all an ilusion.

Its decriminalized in my country meaning you cant get arrested , you will however go to drug conseling if you get caught.

Whoa whoa, naw. America has so many freedoms that people take for granted and sometimes misunderstand; like your freedom of expression cannot impede on someone else's well being (you cannot yell "Bomb!" in an airport and not face charges for faking it) and so on.

The reason people think our freedom is an illusion is because we have older people working in our system that do not understand how things work in the real world. Now, there are some politicians that do understand, but the vast majority do not and the slowness of legalization in all states is an example.

[Sauron]

Google krokodil if you see what stringent prohibiton does.

 

well, that was a replacement for heroin (which is already illegal in europe and north america), I doubt prohibiting tobacco would have the same effect. A lot of people smoke just like they would drink a coffee (also a drug in its own right but infinitely less harmful than smoke both to the users and people in their surroundings), out of habit and because they kind of enjoy it. If it was illegal these people would just downright stop. The people with the attitude to make home-made narcotics already make use of far worse stuff than cigarettes.

[SSOB]

DISCLAIMER: I reccomend all people from netherlands to not take place in this shitstorm, i find our relation with cannabis is so unique that we can't really understand why some people are so against this.

[Jumper118]

Most people advocating the health difference always seem to look past the fact that it's physically terrible for your lungs

 

Still, I hate the fact that I'm not allowed to do stupid things to my own body. That should be a right that I have.

you shouldn't though. unless you sign a disclaimer to say that when you are ill you will pay all of your own hospital expenses.