LTT Official Folding Month V (2022)

[WiredInventor]

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[Lightwreather]

6 hours ago, cbigfoot said:

uhoh Folding at Home Babysitter - Original Code @danielocdh · GitHub

Seems interesting, what does it do?

[BiotechBen]

I think my 480 is unwell. It's sporadically going above 105W even though it has persuasion to use as much as it needs, and the WU returns have been not great. PPD has dropped to about 60%. Gonna try a driver update and a restart tomorrow if it doesn't improve.

[dogwitch]

3 hours ago, IgorSinelnikov said:

I seriously doubt that I could consistently produce more than 50mils daily .... you guys decide  who wins this time.   

i dont mind merc the gpu for a month...

[GOTSpectrum]

Hmm... I wonder when folding month started... 

 

[Alex Atkin UK]

50 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Hmm... I wonder when folding month started... 

 

Swears at ASUS and NVIDIA!

 

Come on, I need to do more science, plus it takes all day to get warm.

[GOTSpectrum]

3 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Swears at ASUS and NVIDIA!

buying from a scalper be like 

 

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxm1P8zCsHZW4lBXB7omwIzcnGGFGkRjVp

 

 

[Alex Atkin UK]

12 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

buying from a scalper be like 

 

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxm1P8zCsHZW4lBXB7omwIzcnGGFGkRjVp

 

 

Its the fact Zotac and Palit keep coming in stock, but not paying more for cheap VRMs.

 

Also the Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 TRINITY is dumb, they cover about 1/3 maybe even 1/2 of the back of the third fan outlet reducing airflow and the design of the shroud seems to make the card longer than it needs to be.  The only good thing about it is having a three-slot IO shield.

Currys even have an MSI in, but for £2199, I think not.  It even only has 3 year warranty when the cheaper but still overpriced Gigabyte model (never in stock though) has 4.  The price they are charging for a worthless pre-overclocked BIOS is stupid.

[GOTSpectrum]

Our best update on EOC in a long time, over 1000 WUs and 220m points 

 

[LAR_Systems]

3 hours ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Our best update on EOC in a long time, over 1000 WUs and 220m points 

 

 

This is the way it's supposed to look!

[IkeaGnome]

3 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Also the Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 TRINITY is dumb, they cover about 1/3 maybe even 1/2 of the back of the third fan outlet reducing airflow and the design of the shroud seems to make the card longer than it needs to be.  The only good thing about it is having a three-slot IO shield.

That is exactly why the Trinity is one of the ones I'm watching out for. It's going to go under a waterblock anyways. If people are passing on it because of a poor cooler design and they think it's the ugly version, I'll only see it in that ugly form for maybe 20 minutes and it won't get ran under that poor cooler anyways.

[Lightwreather]

This is odd, anyone know why this is happening?

 

[Alex Atkin UK]

36 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

That is exactly why the Trinity is one of the ones I'm watching out for. It's going to go under a waterblock anyways. If people are passing on it because of a poor cooler design and they think it's the ugly version, I'll only see it in that ugly form for maybe 20 minutes and it won't get ran under that poor cooler anyways.

I'm still concerned of the longevity given it has one of the weakest VRM configurations with higher transients, its worse than the Palit Buildzoid almost had a coronary over.

If I'm spending this much, I want the card to last so it can continue to fold years after its retired from gaming duties.

[Slave2school]

Seem to be getting some slower to compute WUs now ruining my PPD, for science!

 

Is anyone else torturing their cpu too?  It claims the 7950x is worth about 600kppd so I'm letting it sit there and eat diseases at 93C.

[Slave2school]

45 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I'm still concerned of the longevity given it has one of the weakest VRM configurations with higher transients, its worse than the Palit Buildzoid almost had a coronary over.

If I'm spending this much, I want the card to last so it can continue to fold years after its retired from gaming duties.

I'll let you guys know if my 3080 ti from zotac bites it this month lol

[Shlouski]

19 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

If I'm spending this much, I want the card to last so it can continue to fold years after its retired from gaming duties.

 

My bet is you will stop using the card or the will stop working due to mem/die issues before the power phases cause any issues.

 

Over 25 years I've owned hundreds of cards and from my knowledge not one has died because of power delivery issues, this does not mean it can't happen, just it's more likely something else will kill your card IMO. 

 

Buildzoid states at the start of the video that the cards have to meet nvidia's specs, he also believes that the Palit and the zotac cards will function past their warranties, after registration the zotac has a 5 year warranty.

 

Personally, I will not be folding on a card that is over 5 years old, I'm sure other cards will make more sense by then.

[NetoriusNick]

39 minutes ago, Slave2school said:

I'll let you guys know if my 3080 ti from zotac bites it this month lol

i am have 4 e5-2680 v2 burning at 40C

[Gorgon]

2 hours ago, Lightwreather JfromN said:

This is odd, anyone know why this is happening?

 

OK - read the post this time - no that is weird. I get just no response from queue-list on my Ubuntu 22.04 LTS machines:

Connection closed by foreign host.
root@dcn05:~# FAHClient --send-command queue-list
20:26:45:Connecting to 127.0.0.1:36330

 

Ah - OK - you want "queue-info" rather than "queue-list"

 

But it works in interactive mode:

telnet 127.0.0.1 36330

Welcome to the FAHClient command server.
> queue-info

PyON 1 units
[
  {"id": "00", "state": "RUNNING", "error": "NO_ERROR", "project": 18601, "run": 11492, "clone": 2, "gen": 2, "core": "0x22", "unit": "0x0000000200000002000048a900002ce4", "percentdone": "57.59%", "eta": "48 mins 46 secs", "ppd": "6965942", "creditestimate": "556308", "waitingon": "", "nextattempt": "0.00 secs", "timeremaining": "4.95 days", "totalframes": 100, "framesdone": 57, "assigned": "2022-11-02T19:21:53Z", "timeout": "2022-11-04T19:21:53Z", "deadline": "2022-11-07T19:21:53Z", "ws": "206.223.170.146", "cs": "128.174.73.78", "attempts": 0, "slot": "01", "tpf": "1 mins 09 secs", "basecredit": "81101"}
]
---

 

Have you patched your /etc/init.d/FAHClient script to fix the PID issue?

[Gorgon]

What I find curious is that on paper the 4090 looks like a better value than the 4080 which is not like any other "Halo" card NVIDIA has produced since the 1080ti:

GPU	TFLOPS	US$	GF/$	CUDA	$/CUDA	Clock
4090	82.6	1599	51.6	16384	$0.10	2235
4080	48.7	1199	40.7	9728	$0.12	2205

 

[BondiBlue]

Darn. It's only day two and I've already run into some issues. I came home today to find that my office machine had crashed again, and I still don't know why. It has two RX 570s installed, and they get a decent chunk of my daily points. 

[Alex Atkin UK]

1 hour ago, Shlouski said:

 

My bet is you will stop using the card or the mem/die before the power phases cause any issues.

 

Over 25 years I've owned hundreds of cards and from my knowledge not one has died because of power delivery issues, this does not mean it can't happen, just it's more likely something else will kill your card IMO. 

 

Buildzoid states at the start of the video that the cards have to meet nvidia's specs, he also believes that the Palit and the zotac cards will function past their warranties, after registration the zotac has a 5 year warranty.

 

Personally, I will not be folding on a card that is over 5 years old, I'm sure other cards will make more sense by then.

Different income though, right now I can splurge but I'm entirely reliant on disability benefit and as my disability gets worse and the government cut backs get more severe, I will have a lot less to spend on technology so it needs to last as long as possible.

 

Lets not forget the 3090s blowing up issue, NVIDIA do not seem to put any safety margin in their reference design so wanting a card that is more than the bare minimum seems a reasonable thing to look for.

I get it that 5 years is a long time, but given moores law being dead and all, we could very well hit a GPU advancement wall in 2 years, we don't know.  I like to keep my options open and not rely on warranties, who knows if Zotac will exist in 12 months let alone 5 years.  Plus with the whole Brexit fiasco, if I have to send it to a EU address for replacement it could cost more than the card is worth in 2 years..

I had a PSU develop coil whine I couldn't RMA because they wanted me to send it to Germany which cost almost as much as a new PSU, and that was BEFORE Brexit.  Worse still, it turned out it was the motherboard causing it (its running the 2080 now) so it would have been a huge waste of money.

[Slave2school]

9 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Different income though, right now I can splurge but I'm entirely reliant on disability benefit and as my disability gets worse and the government cut backs get more severe, I will have a lot less to spend on technology so it needs to last as long as possible.

 

Lets not forget the 3090s blowing up issue, NVIDIA do not seem to put any safety margin in their reference design so wanting a card that is more than the bare minimum seems a reasonable thing to look for.

I get it that 5 years is a long time, but given moores law being dead and all, we could very well hit a GPU advancement wall in 2 years, we don't know.  I like to keep my options open and not rely on warranties, who knows if Zotac will exist in 12 months let alone 5 years.  Plus with the whole Brexit fiasco, if I have to send it to a EU address for replacement it could cost more than the card is worth in 2 years..

I had a PSU develop coil whine I couldn't RMA because they wanted me to send it to Germany which cost almost as much as a new PSU, and that was BEFORE Brexit.

On that note I think you are wise to avoid AIO style OEM cards. My EVGA 2080 TI of that ilk crapped out and I had to jerry rig up an old custom watercooling pump I had (I can't recall the name it had radial fins on it from the early 2009s maybe it was a good one with a ceramic impeller and mag drive my son looked it up at school MCP655!) Evga pump 2 years, old arse one still going blasting through the oem one.  Do a custom one for sure. 

[Alex Atkin UK]

12 minutes ago, Slave2school said:

On that note I think you are wise to avoid AIO style OEM cards. My EVGA 2080 TI of that ilk crapped out and I had to jerry rig up an old custom watercooling pump I had (I can't recall the name it had radial fins on it from the early 2009s maybe it was a good one with a ceramic impeller and mag drive my son looked it up at school MCP655!) Evga pump 2 years, old arse one still going blasting through the oem one.  Do a custom one for sure. 

That's why I avoid all watercooling, I don't have the dexterity or the energy to maintain it.  Air cooling at worst you can usually rig something up.  Though I haven't had a GPU fan fail in years, probably due to getting blower coolers until the 3080 and sadly they are just too darn loud to keep using those.

 

Its one reason I kinda don't want the FE card (though if it comes in stock I WILL get one), they are using their own fan design so its potentially impossible to find a replacement once NVIDIA stop using them.  AIBs generally use something a bit more mass manufactured or at least easier to zip tie something onto the cooler.

[Slave2school]

2 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

That's why I avoid all watercooling, I don't have the dexterity or the energy to maintain it.  Air cooling at worst you can usually rig something up.  Though I haven't had a GPU fan fail in years, probably due to getting blower coolers until the 3080 and sadly they are just too darn loud to keep using those.

 

Its one reason I kinda don't want the FE card (though if it comes in stock I WILL get one), they are using their own fan design so its potentially impossible to find a replacement once NVIDIA stop using them.  AIBs generally use something a bit more mass manufactured or at least easier to zip tie something onto the cooler.

You are wise to avoid it. The honest answer I think I saw on GN was that AIO need to be replaced on a 5 year schedule let alone the fuzzy issues.

[Alex Atkin UK]

16 minutes ago, Slave2school said:

You are wise to avoid it. The honest answer I think I saw on GN was that AIO need to be replaced on a 5 year schedule let alone the fuzzy issues.

Yeah I love the people who say "AIO do not fail more than air coolers", meanwhile I have a few air coolers knocking around I've had for a decade and moved from machine to machine.  They only got retired due to upgrading to better cooling due to CPUs pushing more watts.

 

Newer coolers like the NH-D15 will probably outlive me due to them now using industry standard fans rather than custom ones that can be more problematic to replace.  Its unfortunate this isn't a thing with GPUs due to aesthetics being a big thing these days, the 4090s are big enough for standard fans now.

 

Heck, I remember passively cooled GPUs from years ago where they had heatpipes wrap around to the back of the card so they could benefit from the CPU fans - though granted we didn't have monster CPU coolers taking up all that space back then and the VRAM didn't need heatsinks.  

 

That said, my first Geforce 256 DDR card died because the RAM blew up, so maybe they DID need heatsinks.