LTT Official Folding Month V (2022)

[cbigfoot]

Points validated going back to take a nap slept like crap last night.

[GOTSpectrum]

11 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

Points validated going back to take a nap slept like crap last night.

Thank you for all your dedication and hard work man. The event would be no where near as seamless without you and @leadeater with his script 

[Shlouski]

1 hour ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Different income though, right now I can splurge but I'm entirely reliant on disability benefit and as my disability gets worse and the government cut backs get more severe, I will have a lot less to spend on technology so it needs to last as long as possible.

 

I'm sorry to hear you are in this situation, but wouldn't it be better to buy the best bang for buck gpu and save money that can be used towards next gen cards?

 

IF you could get them at msrp the 3090 was 1500 dollars and the 3080 was 700 dollars, which is an 800 dollars difference, and the 4080 12gb was supposed to be a 900 dollar card before it was cancelled. Personally I would prefer to pay 100 dollars extra and end up with a 3080 and a 4080 12gb over just a 3090. This time things might be different as the price difference between the 80 and 90 cards has halved, and the performance gap might be larger than the 10% we saw between the 3080 and 3090.

 

The 4090 is unlikely to be the best bang for buck gpu in the 40 series, we will have to wait and see, I especially would want to wait to see all the cards if I thought money might become an issue, I would want to see prices and performance figures before buying.

 

Another issue I have with trying to futureproof by buying the best is that you can miss out new features and technologies that are often released with new hardware. 

 

2 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Lets not forget the 3090s blowing up issue

 

Wasn't that predominantly an EVGA soldering issue, the same cards that had overbuilt power delivery? 

New World bricked EVGA’s RTX 3090 GPUs because of a soldering issue | PCGamesN

 

Or are you referring to a different issue? 

 

 

2 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

NVIDIA do not seem to put any safety margin in their reference design so wanting a card that is more than the bare minimum seems a reasonable thing to look for.

 

Well in the above case of evga cards failing, I would have preferred that evga used quality parts and workmanship good enough to do the job, instead of trying and failing to overbuild the power delivery. 

 

 

3 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

who knows if Zotac will exist in 12 months let alone 5 years

 

This is a legitimate concern, unfortunately no company is immune to this issue.  

 

 

3 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Plus with the whole Brexit fiasco

 

The less said about this the better, from a British expat living in Spain .

[GOTSpectrum]

1 minute ago, Shlouski said:

I'm sorry to hear you are in this situation, but wouldn't it be better to buy the best bang for buck gpu and save money that can be used towards next gen cards?

I'm in the same boat as Alex. I'm on disability too, it's hard, I run older hardware and pay for it in the ongoing higher energy cost. Spreading the cost makes lots of sense to people like us even if it isn't the most cost effective method in the long run

[IkeaGnome]

1 hour ago, BondiBlue said:

Hmm, I'd rather have that weather during folding month than what I've currently got (in C):

That’s our July August weather. 

[Slave2school]

8 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

That’s our July August weather. 

That isn't to dissimilar to here really.  It can be 5 to 35 in that range of days here, maybe more I'm not a meteorologist.

[Alex Atkin UK]

32 minutes ago, Shlouski said:

The 4090 is unlikely to be the best bang for buck gpu in the 40 series, we will have to wait and see, I especially would want to wait to see all the cards if I thought money might become an issue, I would want to see prices and performance figures before buying.

I get its a little crazy economically, but there's also the fact the 4090 is a beast even at 50% TDP and I want to continue to be able to fold at least sometimes, as its one of the few useful things I can do for society, other than tech support mostly on this forum.  Its about not feeling like a useless drain on society while feeding my tech obsession.  I'm really excited as we push towards raytracing and frame generation technologies to get graphics to a point nobody thought possible so soon.  So even if its expensive, I feel its a good fit, particularly if I do it right now before the impact of the energy price increase hits as I get the boost over the 3080 while using less electricity.

 

There's also the fact both me and my mum are high risk for COVID complications (were both disabled and effective have to care for each other), so I lost my social life once the pandemic hit, I need something to take my mind off the isolation.  A good walking simulator or game where you get a explore a realistic world can really help, the more realistic the better.  Gaming is a kind of therapy to me, even before the pandemic.

[Shlouski]

24 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

I'm in the same boat as Alex. I'm on disability too, it's hard, I run older hardware and pay for it in the ongoing higher energy cost. Spreading the cost makes lots of sense to people like us even if it isn't the most cost effective method in the long run

 

When you say spreading the costs, are you referring to using the hardware over an extended period of time? 

 

[GOTSpectrum]

1 minute ago, Shlouski said:

 

When you say spreading the costs, are you referring to using the hardware over an extended period of time? 

 

No I mean, running older hardware makes the hardware cheap. but the running costs higher. So you spread the cost as in are spending more on power over time

[justpoet]

1 hour ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Might have to go digging for every spare case fan I can find and build a curtain of fans to drape over the doorway or something.

There are corner of door fans for sale all over for folks to circulate wood stove/fireplace heat through their houses.  You can probably pick up a couple of those fairly cheaply to get the heat towards the areas you want.

[Bianks84]

1 hour ago, IkeaGnome said:

Canada's western tumor. Alaska.

Fuckin LOL

 

Here in the GTA we've had what is basically tropical this week, was almost 20C today.

[Slave2school]

1 minute ago, GOTSpectrum said:

No I mean, running older hardware makes the hardware cheap. but the running costs higher. So you spread the cost as in are spending more on power over time

The upfront costs are lower but the ongoing costs are equal or higher for lower performance basically.

[Slave2school]

Just now, Bianks84 said:

Fuckin LOL

 

Here in the GTA we've had what is basically tropical this week, was almost 20C today.

Hail Southern entity!

[Alex Atkin UK]

5 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

No I mean, running older hardware makes the hardware cheap. but the running costs higher. So you spread the cost as in are spending more on power over time

And I'm basically trying to do the opposite right now, get expensive fancy new hardware that can run way more efficient.

 

The 3080 is great, but there have literally been days in the summer where I couldn't game because it was too hot.  At least some workloads I think the 4090 will work out more power efficient when power limited than the 4080, and can always be cranked back up again when needed without having to buy a newer card.

[GOTSpectrum]

Blog post and stats should be up in the next half hour or so 

[Slave2school]

3 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Blog post and stats should be up in the next half hour or so 

ooooh I just got my first "Cause: unspecified"!

[justpoet]

16 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I get its a little crazy economically, but there's also the fact the 4090 is a beast even at 50% TDP and I want to continue to be able to fold at least sometimes, as its one of the few useful things I can do for society, other than tech support mostly on this forum.  Its about not feeling like a useless drain on society while feeding my tech obsession.  I'm really excited as we push towards raytracing and frame generation technologies to get graphics to a point nobody thought possible so soon.  So even if its expensive, I feel its a good fit, particularly if I do it right now before the impact of the energy price increase hits as I get the boost over the 3080 while using less electricity.

Not gonna tell you what to do, but I'd want to see what RDNA3 has to offer before pulling the trigger, especially for a long term top dollar purchase.  Even if I didn't want the new AMD card, if it is gamer competitive, it could drive down the NV card costs sooner, rather than later.

[GOTSpectrum]

6 minutes ago, justpoet said:

Not gonna tell you what to do, but I'd want to see what RDNA3 has to offer before pulling the trigger, especially for a long term top dollar purchase.  Even if I didn't want the new AMD card, if it is gamer competitive, it could drive down the NV card costs sooner, rather than later.

don't we find out tomorrow about those? Anyone know what time? 

[Slave2school]

3 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

don't we find out tomorrow about those? Anyone know what time? 

It is their gift to me I hope. I though it was xxxx I will update in a moment.

 

4pm ET on youtube

[GOTSpectrum]

Blog post is live... GO! GO! GO! 

 

 

[Alex Atkin UK]

@LAR_Systems

12 minutes ago, justpoet said:

Not gonna tell you what to do, but I'd want to see what RDNA3 has to offer before pulling the trigger, especially for a long term top dollar purchase.  Even if I didn't want the new AMD card, if it is gamer competitive, it could drive down the NV card costs sooner, rather than later.

I get that, but I DID buy a 2080 and not regret it and got the 3080 during hiked prices.  I have a very different outlook on how much its worth paying to get x months higher performance, especially given I dabble in AI upscaling too.  So I'm not really worried about buyers remorse (unless my 12 pin connector melts of course, would probably run 50% TDP until I can get the Corsair PSU cable).

[Bianks84]

I don't know why in the hell I decided to go with Mint instead of the much more easily researched and used Ubuntu. Got lost in what I was doing and gave up after the python-2 issue with FAHControl. Every guide I found with the excruciating detail I was looking for used Ubuntu. Settled on 22.04 LTS and was blown away to find that it's in..... the app store equivalent????? Holy crap linux has come a long way.

 

Along the way I encountered some of your previous selves and some funny things such as:

@Gorgonand @RollinLower have been super helpful!

 

A few restarts later It's running no problem! Didn't even have to do much in the CLI to enable the GPU to start!

 

So as of yesterday I've had two, hear that? Two whole (not even hyperthreaded) Haswell CPU cores chugging on a damn stock cooler along with a GTX 760 earning me another ~100K PPD.

 

Seeing lots of updates now so I'm anxious to see if it was enough to keep some people off my arse...

 

ETA:

Man I might not be able to game this month if I'm going to keep @CT854 off my back

Edited November 3, 2022 by Bianks84
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[CWP]

55 minutes ago, Bianks84 said:

Fuckin LOL

 

Here in the GTA we've had what is basically tropical this week, was almost 20C today.

I am sooo looking forward to next Tuesday, but there is still this monster of a bump on Saturday... *sigh*

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, GOTSpectrum said:

and @leadeater with his script 

[justpoet]

40 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

@LAR_Systems

I get that, but I DID buy a 2080 and not regret it and got the 3080 during hiked prices.  I have a very different outlook on how much its worth paying to get x months higher performance, especially given I dabble in AI upscaling too.  So I'm not really worried about buyers remorse (unless my 12 pin connector melts of course, would probably run 50% TDP until I can get the Corsair PSU cable).

I get what you're saying, just suggesting a few days could be significant in price or choice.

 

On a completely unrelated note...seeing your sig and pfsense, what are your favorite bits to configure or packages to add onto pfsense?  I know I want to run it (actually have it going on a mini-pc, but on local network rather than as a router), but haven't dug in enough to feel sufficiently ready to make it my connection.  Currently I don't have time (too many larger outdoor projects) to dig into the documentation and packages to make it do the things I know I want (DNS over HTTPS, segmented network on the 4 LAN ports: home LAN/guest wireless/local servers/generic IoT, port knocking access to the local server network segment, and some good self updating firewall rules like I've done for a long time with ipfilter on individual machines).  I'm sure I can figure out how to make it all do that (I used to be an IT Consultant and Software Engineer), but I'm curious what things you find the most useful that I'll look into when I get to it more mid-winter.