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New antitrust complain against Apple in france

Summary

So iOS14s upcoming Anti-Tracking promt, that requires users to give permission for users to allow ad tracking, apparently is something bad and anticompetitive behavior. 

 

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Ahead of this change, The Wall Street Journal reports that advertising companies and publishers have filed a complaint against Apple with France's competition authority, arguing that the enhanced privacy measures would be anticompetitive.

 

My thoughts

I'm on Apples side in this, but here is some fodder for big bad monopolistic Apple people

 

Sources

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/10/28/ios-14-anti-tracking-prompt-antitrust-complaint/

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So they think that Apple used their advantage to stifle competition which allows them the only ones doing the tracking...

Anyway the advertising industry is evil,what they are doing should be a crime against humanity.

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Oh no are advertisers are butthurt boo hoo. I don't care at all and I want Apple to keep progressing in the realm of security. It's sickening what tech companies do to people just to make money 

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LMAO, Apple doesn't give a 💩 and they never did.

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Huh? Why is that anticompetitive, all it does is help user privacy. It’s not like apple does their own ads. Requiring users to enable ad tracking is a good thing.
If the advertising companies wanted to sue Apple for something, why not go with the App Store or something that can actually be called monopolistic.

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Apple 100% in the right for once. Fuck the advertisers, and it's not anti-competitive at all.

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On 10/29/2020 at 2:09 PM, BuckGup said:

Oh no are advertisers are butthurt boo hoo. I don't care at all and I want Apple to keep progressing in the realm of security. It's sickening what tech companies do to people just to make money 

 

35 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

Apple 100% in the right for once. Fuck the advertisers, and it's not anti-competitive at all.

I think you missed one crucial point. Advertisers are not only complaining about the new opt-in feature (boohoo indeed), but also the small exception Apple made for "Apple Advertising". Some advertisers seem to be more equal than others.

 

 

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1 hour ago, HenrySalayne said:

 

I think you missed one crucial point. Advertisers are not only complaining about the new opt-in feature (boohoo indeed), but also the small exception Apple made for "Apple Advertising". Some advertisers seem to be more equal than others.

 

 

It's their platform isn't it? I think Apple Advertising are ads that have been vetted by Apple and deemed safe as they aren't trying to sell every piece of your life to the lowest bidder

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29 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

It's their platform isn't it? I think Apple Advertising are ads that have been vetted by Apple and deemed safe as they aren't trying to sell every piece of your life to the lowest bidder

You don't think it's hypocritical? Apple clearly stated "We believe technology should protect users' fundamental right to privacy". But by default Apple is excluded? Because by their very own definition they don't do evil things with your data? And it's definitely not an attempt to cut out the competition? Come on!

 

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2 hours ago, HenrySalayne said:

 

I think you missed one crucial point. Advertisers are not only complaining about the new opt-in feature (boohoo indeed), but also the small exception Apple made for "Apple Advertising". Some advertisers seem to be more equal than others.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

You don't think it's hypocritical? Apple clearly stated "We believe technology should protect users' fundamental right to privacy". But by default Apple is excluded? Because by their very own definition they don't do evil things with your data? And it's definitely not an attempt to cut out the competition? Come on!

 

In all honesty i don't know what data apple tracks,but i do know that the less amount of advertisers can collect data the better.

So what Apple is doing is an improvement,even if they collect data - they will be the only ones instead of thousands of companys collecting user data.

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14 minutes ago, Vishera said:

even if they collect data - they will be the only ones instead of thousands of companys collecting user data

And there you go! Antitrust!

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On 10/29/2020 at 1:32 PM, soldier_ph said:

LMAO, Apple doesn't give a 💩 and they never did.

True.  Apple is a corporation.  A legal fiction.  It doesn’t even have a digestive system. 

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3 hours ago, Vishera said:

In all honesty i don't know what data apple tracks,but i do know that the less amount of advertisers can collect data the better.

So what Apple is doing is an improvement,even if they collect data - they will be the only ones instead of thousands of companys collecting user data.

With Apple ads you can opt out of presonalised ads. 
 

EDIT://You get the option when you det up a new phone. If you opt in you have the option to change it later under integrity in settings.  

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53 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

True.  Apple is a corporation.  A legal fiction.  It doesn’t even have a digestive system. 

Its a legal entity, can own just like a human, it has rights

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17 minutes ago, Orange1 said:

Its a legal entity, can own just like a human, it has rights

Cant 💩though.  A cat has rights and can 💩 too

 

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5 hours ago, HenrySalayne said:

 

I think you missed one crucial point. Advertisers are not only complaining about the new opt-in feature (boohoo indeed), but also the small exception Apple made for "Apple Advertising". Some advertisers seem to be more equal than others.

 

 

Interesting, so Apple shows ads and collects data by default, and you have to manually opt out of it. It's ironic considering one of the main points of buying an Apple device is Apple isn't supposed to be collecting your data.

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3 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Cant 💩though.  A cat has rights and can 💩 too

 

You can go down any road you like, snakes dont 💩 but has same rights as cat.

 

Apple does collect data, their answer to it is to provide a better service. @Blademaster91

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Orange1 said:

You can go down any road you like, snakes dont 💩 but has same rights as cat.

 

Apple does collect data, their answer to it is to provide a better service. @Blademaster91

 

 

Yes they do.  They got a cloaca and everything. It doesn’t look a lot like mammal 💩, but it’s there.  Bird 💩 doesn’t look a lot like mammal 💩 either.  A lot of them also only have cloacas.  

 

I didn’t talk about Apple at all.  Only about 💩

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@Bombastinator well it should survive, sure they roam and get the hammer ready but lots are quick to traingle! too.

 

TBH I never liked Apple and only been to France once, realize that France is only about 70M. If you dont want your data collected then I guess the cave is where its at. I know people who still use flip phones, but I believe in privacy but its very hard to secure privacy these days.

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2 minutes ago, Orange1 said:

@Bombastinator well it should survive, sure they roam and get the hammer ready but lots are quick to traingle! too.

 

TBH I never liked Apple and only been to France once, realize that France is only about 70M. If you dont want your data collected then I guess the cave is where its at. I know people who still use flip phones, but I believe in privacy but its very hard to secure privacy these days.

I was a “sysop” if you can call it that, in an apple 68k microcomputer lab for a few years.  There was even a Next towards the end, Which should date things pretty close.  One guy was going around trying to sell apple stock for a dollar a share to try to keep the company solvent.  I really wish I bought some now.  I’ve still got an old 17” laptop which I haven’t turned on in years and I’m typing on an iPhone7, so I’m kind of a long time user.   Apple is a lot like old Chrysler.  Chrysler believe it or not was a tech based company.  They specialized in the newest of the new and the hottest of the hot for the first 40 years of their existence. Changed in the 60’s when they had to dump all their tech.  They were doing a turbine car that would run on any burning liquid.  Gas wasn’t important.  That all died though.  Apple seems to be having the same problems around the same time frame.  Apple found new life lately as a “we will protect you from the bad scary stuff” company. They need to not be part of the bad scary stuff to do that though.

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9 hours ago, Blademaster91 said:

Interesting, so Apple shows ads and collects data by default, and you have to manually opt out of it. It's ironic considering one of the main points of buying an Apple device is Apple isn't supposed to be collecting your data.

No. 
 

When you set up a new iPhone the setup asks you if you want to allow personal ads, at this plint you chuck yes or no. 
 

It’s actually exactly the same as 3rd party advertisers has to do in coming versions of iOS 14. 

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Is there any big tech company reliable anymore..?
Seems like they all need your data and activities information to strengthen their algorithm.

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On 10/30/2020 at 4:47 PM, BuckGup said:

It's their platform isn't it? I think Apple Advertising are ads that have been vetted by Apple and deemed safe as they aren't trying to sell every piece of your life to the lowest bidder

*according to apple 

 

 

2 hours ago, Kajoor said:

Is there any big tech company reliable anymore..?

Highly reliable even, as in reliably want all your data preferably for *free*

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*according to apple 

That's the risk you take. It boils down to how much do you personally trust apple

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