Last member of the Ryzen Crew, Ha! - Quad Core Zen 2 CPUs found

[williamcll]

Update: the CPUs have been announced, check it here,

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-3-3100 priced at 99$

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-3-3300x priced at 129$

The debut models include the 3100 and the 3300X, both 4 cores with SMT and a 65 Watt TDP

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AMD may be secretly developing quad-core CPUs based on its Zen 2 architecture to compete with Intel's looming 10th Generation Comet Lake-S Core i3 offerings, which feature Hyper-Threading. That's if information from hardware leaker @momomo_us is accurate, AMD deployed its army of Ryzen 3000-series (codename Matisse) desktop CPUs in May. The lineup started with the Ryzen 5 3600, which spans six CPU cores and 12 threads. That means AMD never produced a successor to the previous generation (2000-series) Ryzen 3 chips. However, the chipmaker might have plans to rectify this, with @momomo_us pointing to alleged Ryzen 3 3300X and Ryzen 3 3100 models. As a refresher, third-generation Ryzen chips can come with one or two 7nm (client compute dies (CCDs). Each CCD houses two AMD CCX (CPU complexes or core complexes). Therefore, each CCX contains four processing cores. There are two ways that AMD could spit out a quad-core Ryzen 3 chip. It could salvage imperfect Ryzen 5 3600 chips and disable the defective CCX or utilize an entirely new design, where there's only a single CCX inside the CCD. The latter would help AMD become more cost-competitive against Intel's line of Core i3 CPUs.

Both the Ryzen 3 3300X (100-000000159) and Ryzen 3 3100 (100-000000284) allegedly feature four cores and eight threads. A single CCX has 16MB of L3 cache and 2MB of L2 cache. They add up to 18MB of total cache on the alleged Ryzen 3 parts. The hardware leaker claimed that the Ryzen 3 3300X and Ryzen 3 3100 will come with clock speeds of 4.3 GHz and 3.9 GHz, respectively. However, the leaker didn't specify if the reported speeds were for the base or boost clock. We suspect it's the latter. The most interesting part about the two unannounced Ryzen 3 chips is that they reportedly adhere to a 65W TDP (thermal design power), which is the same for 2000-series Ryzen 3 chips and 3000-series Ryzen 5 parts. With the Zen 2 optimizations and the die-shrink to the 7nm process node, one would expect the quad-core Zen 2 parts to come with a lower TDP. Being Zen 2 offerings, the Ryzen 3 3300X and Ryzen 3 3100 should come with PCIe 4.0 support, but it's not a given. In the case of the Ryzen 3 3100, it should feature an unlocked multiplier like its predecessors. The Ryzen 3 3300X and Ryzen 3 3100 would face the upcoming Core i3-10100, i3-10300 and i3-10320. But to be fair, the aforementioned Comet Lake desktop chips also come with integrated graphics, so the AMD processors are more likely to rival the F-series counterparts.

Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3-3300x-3100-zen-2

Thoughts: This is going to make the low end market really competitive since there's already so many sub 200 chips available on the market. The overclocking potential however do look very attractive on the 3300X, maybe it would be able to beat the i7-7700k?

[rcmaehl]

Not APUs, not sure who these are aimed for other than prebuilts

[Curufinwe_wins]

Can we please get a 4800H desktop equivalent? An actually decent 8 core with an iGPU? It makes such a difference for troubleshooting, and with an MCM structure, they could always turn it off /power-gate whenever nothing is plugged into the display inputs. 

 

I'd pay an additional like 50 dollars for a part like that over the equivalent. And use them in family builds as well.

[williamcll]

20 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Can we please get a 4800H desktop equivalent? An actually decent 8 core with an iGPU? It makes such a difference for troubleshooting, and with an MCM structure, they could always turn it off /power-gate whenever nothing is plugged into the display inputs. 

 

I'd pay an additional like 50 dollars for a part like that over the equivalent. And use them in family builds as well.

Might have to wait for a bit more 

 

[732]

22 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Can we please get a 4800H desktop equivalent? An actually decent 8 core with an iGPU? It makes such a difference for troubleshooting, and with an MCM structure, they could always turn it off /power-gate whenever nothing is plugged into the display inputs. 

 

I'd pay an additional like 50 dollars for a part like that over the equivalent. And use them in family builds as well.

What graphics does the 4800H use?

[Curufinwe_wins]

5 minutes ago, 732 said:

What graphics does the 4800H use?

Vega 7?

 

It honestly doesn't matter what graphics it uses, as long as its good enough for encode/decode and some basic moba-esque gaming. 

Personally, I want it for troubleshooting when shit eventually goes sideways.

[732]

Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

Vega 7?

 

It honestly doesn't matter what graphics it uses, as long as its good enough for encode/decode and some basic moba-esque gaming.

Well if Intel Integrated UHD graphics can handle LoL, I guess graphics that are ten times as good can handle it too

[Curufinwe_wins]

5 minutes ago, 732 said:

Well if Intel Integrated UHD graphics can handle LoL, I guess graphics that are ten times as good can handle it too

Exactly. I was totally happy with the iGPU in this random 9700k. I don't care about it being a dGPU replacement. It just has to be a backup or non-gaming integrated solution.

3 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

we'll see how Xe turns out. and when the heck would AMD finally use RDNA/2 cores in their APUs

Well the Xbox Series X SOC would be baller AF in a desktop...

[732]

1 minute ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Well the Xbox Series X SOC would be baller AF in a desktop...

i agree.

How much do you think it would cost lol

[Curufinwe_wins]

Just now, 732 said:

i agree.

How much do you think it would cost lol

The same as the final pricing for the entire Xbox series X hahaha. 500? idk

[732]

2 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

The same as the final pricing for the entire Xbox series X hahaha. 500? idk

In 2050, all computers use SoCs. All motherboards look like this:

 

[That Franc]

1 hour ago, rcmaehl said:

Not APUs, not sure who these are aimed for other than prebuilts

Honestly? I would grab a 3300X if it is as described in the post, pair it with something cheap with NVenc that supports HEVC encoding, and use that machine exclusively for remote gaming on a phone.

[Orangeator]

1 hour ago, rcmaehl said:

Not APUs, not sure who these are aimed for other than prebuilts

I could think of several uses. Biggest one is bringing new people to the PC market. Meaning your friend at work or school who wants to get a PC but skeptical and doesn't want to spend a fortune. Having a cheap $85-$100 CPU as an option that has great performance is a fantastic entry level CPU.

[imreloadin]

3 hours ago, Orangeator said:

Having a cheap $85-$100 CPU as an option that has great performance is a fantastic entry level CPU.

They already have that and it's the 1600 AF which gives them 2 more cores and 4 more threads.

[GloriousPain]

7 hours ago, imreloadin said:

They already have that and it's the 1600 AF which gives them 2 more cores and 4 more threads.

Eh? That's like comparing the 2700 and 3600. Given both sit around $150-200 currently.

 

If you're doing something more multithreaded the older chip might be a good idea for more threads to spread the work across the cores. If you're doing something more single threaded the newer chip is more up your alley especially when you consider power/heat. 

[williamcll]

7 hours ago, imreloadin said:

They already have that and it's the 1600 AF which gives them 2 more cores and 4 more threads.

The 1600AF however has much worse clocks.

[uzzi38]

12 hours ago, imreloadin said:

They already have that and it's the 1600 AF which gives them 2 more cores and 4 more threads.

You're thinking about these chips the wrong way around.

 

They don't exist to replace the 1600AF or 2600. They exist to ensure people don't try and buy Comet Lake i3s, by offering similar gaming performance for non-AAA games, but a way better platform for them (second hand or even new 3700Xes in a year from now will be dirt cheap, like what's happened to 1st and 2nd Gen Ryzen, and there's Zen 3 next year too, as opposed to Comet and Rocket Lake housefires). 

 

And yes, 3rd Gen Ryzen will see major discounts. After all, it already is in most places.

 

Anyway, apparently there's something different about these chips? Maybe? I dunno, just a rumour, so might be worth ignoring this last bit from me.

[uzzi38]

17 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

we'll see how Xe turns out. and when the heck would AMD finally use RDNA/2 cores in their APUs

The latter, and not that long.

 

Check this chart:

 

[Fasauceome]

18 hours ago, williamcll said:

Both the Ryzen 3 3300X (100-000000159) and Ryzen 3 3100 (100-000000284) allegedly feature four cores and eight threads.

I ain't holding my breath on that one tbh. These will have to launch at close to like $80 and $120 respectively for their market value to make sense in the product stack, and it's not like I wouldn't be satisfied with a 4/4 anyway because Ryzen 3 has always felt like a bit of a "foot in the door" option for AM4.

 

And also:

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MAYBE YOU COULD BRING THE RYZEN 5 3500 TO THE U.S.??!??!?

 

[James300]

I'm getting slightly excited at AMD's product stack at the moment. They seem to be playing at every level in the market, though I definitely agree with the comments above that they seem odd products without an on-board GPU. That said, pairing them with a 1660Ti or some flavour of 2060 could make for a great budget gaming rig

 

I'm still undecided on buying a Shield Pro or holding out for the 4000 series APU's to potentially build a HTPC in the future.

[imreloadin]

7 hours ago, williamcll said:

The 1600AF however has much worse clocks.

It can be overclocked to between 4.0 and 4.2 GHz which overcomes overcomes that limitation pretty easily and everyone still hits the all core overclock cap around 4.2 GHz for the current Ryzen 3000 chips.

[Doobeedoo]

Entry wise it's very good.

[Dellenn]

https://www.amd.com/en/ryzen-3

Courtesy of TomsHardware:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3-3300x-3100-b550-chipset-announced
 

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The $120 Ryzen 3 3300X lands with an 3.8 GHz base frequency and 4.3 GHz boost, while the $99 Ryzen 3 3100 weighs in at a 3.8 GHz base and 3.9 GHz boost. Both chips come with a capable Wraith Stealth cooler and will be available in May 2020.

 

AMD Ryzen™ 3 3300X

# of CPU Cores -  4

# of Threads -  8

Max Boost Clock -  Up to 4.3GHz

Base Clock - 3.8GHz

Default TDP - 65W

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-3-3300x

 

 

 

AMD Ryzen™ 3 3100

# of CPU Cores - 4

# of Threads - 8

Max Boost Clock -  Up to 3.9GHz

Base Clock - 3.6GHz

Default TDP - 65W

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-3-3100


Also, looks like the B550 motherboards are also coming this summer with PCIE 4.0. 

 

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AMD also announced that B550 motherboards, which will support the PCIe 4.0 interface present on the new Ryzen 3 models, will land June 16, 2020. AMD was light on details about the new motherboards, though we do know they will come from OEMs like ASRock, Asus, Gigabyte and MSI, among the other usual players. The company expects over 60 models to come to market, and we've already seen a few examples leak out over the last several months.

 

 

Looks like the budget segment just got more reasons to choose AMD - PCIE 4.0, low price, overclocking.

 

 

[minibois]

MSRP at 129 USD and 99 USD for the 3300X and 3100 respectively.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15736/amd-ryzen-3-3300x-and-ryzen-3-3100-new-low-cost-quadcore-zen-2-processors-from-99

Set to launch in May this year.

 

We will also get B550 June 16th of this year

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One of the often talked topics, since January, is when AMD is going to launch its more mid-range B550 motherboards for the Ryzen 3000 processors. Today AMD is announcing that B550 is coming on June 16th this year, with all the main motherboard manufacturers coming out with a variety of models, up to 60 for launch. AMD is also confirming that B550 will offer PCIe 4.0 connectivity. More details to come at a later date.

 

Would be cool to see where they will fall in terms of performance.

If they have Ryzen 3600 levels of single core performance, with 4c8t I would guess i3's would have to come down in price and I think these will compete with i5 8th gen/9400. (but at a lower price).

 

[Fasauceome]

5 minutes ago, Dellenn said:

# of CPU Cores

4

# of Threads

8

Not only is it hopefully a viable price replacement for the 3200G on the ultra budget end, but it's even better in performance with this. Not to mention the single threaded advantage, finally something to recommend to people in the U.S. who play primarily CS:GO and other single thread dependent titles.

 

This CPU looks to fulfill the same role as the Ryzen 5 3500, so if it's priced close to $100, it's excellent.