[update] after July 17 2017, MicroSoft to support new CPUs only on W10

[zMeul]

source: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/

 

 

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Support Policy Updates for Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 Customers

With Windows 7 now in extended support, we are focused on our commitment to deliver security, reliability, and compatibility to our installed base on their current systems. Redesigning Windows 7 subsystems to embrace new generations of silicon would introduce churn into the Windows 7 code base, and would break this commitment. Thus, today we are clarifying our Windows support policy:

• Windows 7 will continue to be supported for security, reliability, and compatibility through January 14, 2020 on previous generation silicon. Windows 8.1 will receive the same support through January 10, 2023. This includes most of the devices available for purchase today by consumers or enterprises.
• Going forward, as new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support. This enables us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon, while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with previous generations of platform and silicon. For example, Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel’s upcoming “Kaby Lake” silicon, Qualcomm’s upcoming “8996” silicon, and AMD’s upcoming “Bristol Ridge” silicon.
• Through July 17, 2017, Skylake devices on the supported list will also be supported with Windows 7 and 8.1. During the 18-month support period, these systems should be upgraded to Windows 10 to continue receiving support after the period ends. After July 2017, the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices.

In clarifying this policy, we are prioritizing transparency with enterprises on where to find the highest reliability and best supported Windows experience: Windows 10 on any silicon, Windows 7 on the down-level silicon it was designed for, or a device on the support list. Although this silicon and platform alignment is entirely consistent with modern technology trends, we understand the need for our enterprise customers to adapt to it in the Windows context— and we stand by ready to partner with them on their Windows deployments. Companies of any size interested in upgrading to Windows 10 should contact their Microsoft technology representative today for assistance.

 

from MS' own wording, it looks like 6th generation Intel CPUs, codenamed Skylake will the last supported under Windows 7 as Windows 7 is already in long term support starting January last year

next will follow Windows 8.1 with long term support starting January 2018

 

what that means for the end user, not much; the only ones getting "hurt" by this sudden move are businesses that aren't as flexible to switch to new OSs very fast

why is that? generation to generation of OS, certain compatibility with the software the company is using can be broken and that leaves them exposed

 

this could potentially put a hurt on Intel and AMD respectively on hardware sales as most businesses tent to not jump to new OSes right away - people need new training and the other reasons (I mentioned above)

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on Skylake and Intel N3xxx SoC, without a SATA optical drive and PS/2 k&m you will not be able to install W7 unless you inject the xHCI driver in the W7 iso

 

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update 19th of March: http://blogs.technet.com/b/windowsitpro/archive/2016/03/18/updates-to-support-policy-for-skylake-devices-running-windows-7-and-windows-8-1.aspx

Microsoft just announced they will extend support for "Skylake" CPUs on Windows 7 and Window 8.1

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• To help provide greater flexibility for customers who have longer deployment timeframes to Windows 10, the support period for Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 devices on Skylake systems will be extended by one year: from July 17, 2017 to July 17, 2018.
• Also, after July 2018, all critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for Skylake systems until extended support ends for Windows 7, January 14, 2020 and Windows 8.1 on January 10, 2023.

 

[PerfectTemplar]

That's strange.

[thekeemo]

How does that work? Pretty sure windows xp was not coded for a 4790k ever but it still works

[Enderman]

did not even read the article you posted??

 

In clarifying this policy, we are prioritizing transparency with enterprises on where to find the highest reliability and best supported Windows experience: Windows 10 on any silicon, Windows 7 on the down-level silicon it was designed for, or a device on the support list. Although this silicon and platform alignment is entirely consistent with modern technology trends, we understand the need for our enterprise customers to adapt to it in the Windows context— and we stand by ready to partner with them on their Windows deployments. Companies of any size interested in upgrading to Windows 10 should contact their Microsoft technology representative today for assistance.

[techguru]

source: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/

 

 

from MS' own wording, it looks like 6th generation Intel CPUs, codenamed Skylake will the last supported under Windows 7 as Windows 7 is already in long term support starting January last year

next will follow Windows 8.1 with long term support starting January 2018

 

what that means for the end user, not much; the only ones getting "hurt" by this sudden move are businesses that aren't as flexible to switch to new OSs very fast

why is that? generation to generation of OS, certain compatibility with the software the company is using can be broken and that leaves them exposed

 

this could potentially put a hurt on Intel and AMD respectively on hardware sales as most businesses tent to not jump to new OSes right away - people need new training and the other reasons (I mentioned above)

all this means is that you MIGHT not be able to install windows 7/8 on next gen cpus

[Atmos]

That's fine. I don't plan to upgrade either of my xeons, or either of my 4790ks for years to come.

By then there's bound to be a community patch to disable all of w10's internet access and snooping. As soon as that happens, I'm moving platforms.

[comicsansms]

What does this mean?

Does it mean that you have to have the latest CPUs to get new updates?

 

Fuck, my Prescott P4 we be useless!

 

Nope, I just failed at reading again. Why is english so hard?

[The Official Czex]

did not even read the article you posted??

 

They never read them. They just see a clickbaity article and copy/paste it.

[Electronics Wizardy]

How does that work? Pretty sure windows xp was not coded for a 4790k ever but it still works

Unless they lock it, it will work, there just might not be any driver for things like usb.

[DarkBlade2117]

Truly doing everything to get people to upgrade

[Enderman]

They never read them. They just see a clickbaity article and copy/paste it.

you're right, i never considered that...

[zMeul]

did not even read the article you posted??

what exactly I didn't read or you think I didn't understood?!

that MS will maybe grant extended support to enterprise on case by case - and that will cost them shit tons of money

as for the end user, yes, if you have a CPU released after July 17th 2017 you won't be able to install W7 and/or W8.1 to that system

[Misanthrope]

That's strange.

 

If by strange you mean stupid, yes very. 

 

Seriously if Microsoft keeps pushing this hard some people will start to push back.

[RexinOridle]

Is it just me or Microsoft got a sex change operation?

[Neemil]

Microsoft is really pushing Windows10 down our throats. I understand that they want to have one sort of eco-system that's connected but some people just like the older things that actually work and don't require newer things like cortana. Guess it's time for me to upgrade from Windows 7.

[Trik'Stari]

If by strange you mean stupid, yes very. 

 

Seriously if Microsoft keeps pushing this hard some people will start to push back.

We can only hope.

 

@Neemil don't fall victim to their trap. It's not an upgrade, it's a downgrade in security.

 

Edit: People are going to call me crazy, but when it happens, and you all get viruses via Windows Update, I am going to need to be hospitalized for hysterical laughter.

[Nowak]

Edit: People are going to call me crazy, but when it happens, and you all get viruses via Windows Update, I am going to need to be hospitalized for hysterical laughter.

Microsoft's pushed out bad updates for Windows 7 and afaict the last Windows Me update breaks the OS (because clearly, it wasn't broken enough as it is) so it's possible with any Windows version that supports updates for a bad update to come through.

[SeriousDad69]

Microsoft has the juice to do this. Linux and OS-X are terrible choices for anything other than niche professional applications and Facebook browsing.

[flibberdipper]

wut I literally don't get it.

[Trik'Stari]

Microsoft's pushed out bad updates for Windows 7 and afaict the last Windows Me update breaks the OS (because clearly, it wasn't broken enough as it is) so it's possible with any Windows version that supports updates for a bad update to come through.

Yes it is, unless you have the ability to turn off the Windows Update system. While yes, you CAN block the Windows Update servers IP addresses on Windows 10, you're eventually going to have to undo that for either a system stability update or some kind of security update, and chances are part of those updates will contain things that change the IP addresses from which your system gets it's Windows Updates, making your IP blocks ineffectual.

 

It's just a matter of time before the forced automatic updates thing completely blows up in their faces.

[Nowak]

Yes it is, unless you have the ability to turn off the Windows Update system. While yes, you CAN block the Windows Update servers IP addresses on Windows 10, you're eventually going to have to undo that for either a system stability update or some kind of security update, and chances are part of those updates will contain things that change the IP addresses from which your system gets it's Windows Updates, making your IP blocks ineffectual.

 

It's just a matter of time before the forced automatic updates thing completely blows up in their faces.

And when they do... they'll enable disabling automatic updates. Or at least that's what I want them to do.

 

A guy can dream, can he not?

[Trik'Stari]

And when they do... they'll enable disabling automatic updates. Or at least that's what I want them to do.

 

A guy can dream, can he not?

I'd prefer to vote by not using Windows 10, rather than using it and just hoping.

 

Sadly, most of the general public is too ignorant to know about any of this.

[Nowak]

I'd prefer to vote by not using Windows 10, rather than using it and just hoping.

 

Sadly, most of the general public is too ignorant to know about any of this.

Well aside from MS's bullshit and the glitches it's actually a pretty decent OS. Not the best ever, but it's decent.

[Kherm]

Isn't this only for enterprise? 

[Trik'Stari]

Well aside from MS's bullshit and the glitches it's actually a pretty decent OS. Not the best ever, but it's decent.

The only problem I've ever had with Windows 7 is it asking me if I want to change my color scheme, in the middle of a game. Usually at the worst possible moment.