[update] after July 17 2017, MicroSoft to support new CPUs only on W10

[zMeul]

afaik Windows 7 doesn't even support all of Haswell's features.

was talking about this: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/528105-after-july-17-2017-microsoft-to-support-new-cpus-only-on-w10/page-4#entry7022231

[Nowak]

was talking about this: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/528105-after-july-17-2017-microsoft-to-support-new-cpus-only-on-w10/page-4#entry7022231

Yeah, you can't install Windows 7 via USB on Skylake because Skylake doesn't natively support USB 2.0 and Windows 7 doesn't natively support USB 3.0.

[patrickjp93]

they changed that!? I looked at some older slides from them :mellow:

It was never changed. Bristol was always going to be Excavator-based. AM4 boards are launching in a couple months with Beistol Ridge APUs.

[zMeul]

It was never changed. Bristol was always going to be Excavator-based. AM4 boards are launching in a couple months with Beistol Ridge APUs.

not according the sheets I looked at  :huh:

[GoodBytes]

Does Windows 2000/XP install and run on your Skylake CPU? or any modern CPU, despite Microsoft pulling the plug entirely on updates, especially Windows 2000. Yes? See. No special updates needed, all works.

What Microsoft meant is that, Microsoft and Intel have been working closely together for implementing unique system features. One of them is waking up the system from sleep via Cortana. And other security features. Those won't be coming on Windows 8 or older, as per usual, as many of them requires kernel changes for support. And Microsoft won't test updates on specific new CPU features that 99.9999% of software don't use, as it is only on Intel latest CPUs. Imagine selling a software for Skylake CPU only... won't be making money, and people won't go out and run and buy a brand new PC just for the software. The only affected are those making specialty/custom software. Say for example, a company really want to use Intel Skylake new security or new instructions set. They'll all work fine under Windows 7, but if there is an update from MS to solve a security update, and now the feature doesn't work right or reduce performance, well too bad.

So, this affects no one, basically. So now you can just relax, and enjoy your computer with whatever CPU and OS combo you enjoy.

[Misanthrope]

Does Windows 2000/XP install and run on your Skylake CPU? or any modern CPU, despite Microsoft pulling the plug entirely on updates, especially Windows 2000. Yes? See. No special updates needed, all works.

What Microsoft meant is that, Microsoft and Intel have been working closely together for implementing unique system features. One of them is waking up the system from sleep via Cortana. And other security features. Those won't be coming on Windows 8 or older, as per usual, as many of them requires kernel changes for support. And Microsoft won't test updates on specific new CPU features that 99.9999% of software don't use, as it is only on Intel latest CPUs. Imagine selling a software for Skylake CPU only... won't be making money, and people won't go out and run and buy a brand new PC just for the software. The only affected are those making specialty/custom software. Say for example, a company really want to use Intel Skylake new security or new instructions set. They'll all work fine under Windows 7, but if there is an update from MS to solve a security update, and now the feature doesn't work right or reduce performance, well too bad.

So, this affects no one, basically. So now you can just relax, and enjoy your computer with whatever CPU and OS combo you enjoy.

 

So because they want to do wake up on cortana, people with newer hardware either get 10 or no official support or security updates?

 

With Windows 7 now in extended support, we are focused on our commitment to deliver security, reliability, and compatibility to our installed base on their current systems. Redesigning Windows 7 subsystems to embrace new generations of silicon would introduce churn into the Windows 7 code base, and would break this commitment. Thus, today we are clarifying our Windows support policy:

Windows 7 will continue to be supported for security, reliability, and compatibility through January 14, 2020 on previous generation silicon. Windows 8.1 will receive the same support through January 10, 2023. This includes most of the devices available for purchase today by consumers or enterprises.

Going forward, as new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support. This enables us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon, while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with previous generations of platform and silicon. For example, Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel’s upcoming “Kaby Lake” silicon, Qualcomm’s upcoming “8996” silicon, and AMD’s upcoming “Bristol Ridge” silicon.

Through July 17, 2017, Skylake devices on the supported list will also be supported with Windows 7 and 8.1. During the 18-month support period, these systems should be upgraded to Windows 10 to continue receiving support after the period ends. After July 2017, the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices.

Sorry but when you equate what you're saying with the OP it just doesn't add up. Don't need the newer features, but dropping support completely it's unreasonable.

[GoodBytes]

So because they want to do wake up on cortana, people with newer hardware either get 10 or no official support or security updates?

It has other new features as I well, if I recall correctly, and you'll get your security updates just fine.

It is just that, IF, and ONLY IF, it happens that you use some specific CPU feature new to Skylake, because you really want to use it as a developer, an update might, potentially, cause issue with it, as Microsoft isn't doing any testing. And that, the new features that Microsoft and Intel have working together, won't be coming to Windows 7/8. This is nothing new. Once again, if you install Windows 2000 on your system, you'll get all the updates, including SP4, and its update afterwards, and everything will be working.

[Misanthrope]

It has other new features as I well, if I recall correctly, and you'll get your security updates just fine.

It is just that, IF, and ONLY IF, it happens that you use some specific CPU feature new to Skylake, because you really want to use it as a developer, an update might, potentially, cause issue with it, as Microsoft isn't doing any testing. And that, the new features that Microsoft and Intel have working together, won't be coming to Windows 7/8. This is nothing new. Once again, if you install Windows 2000 on your system, you'll get all the updates, including SP4, and its update afterwards, and everything will be working.

That's not what the article says. No support is what they said, nothing specific about "no support for x and y and z" features. So again you're just doing damage control minimizing things for the company you have such a profound bias for or like always, they completely and utterly failed at the most simple of press releases making it seem much more worst.

Also stop comparing Windows 8.1 that came out 4 years ago or so to an OS that came out 16 years ago. Your analogy it's terrible and completely unfair: TODAY I wouldn't expect it to work no, but if I had a system on say 2004-5 I would expect it to work with 2000 and in fact I remember that it did.

[GoodBytes]

That's not what the article says. No support is what they said, nothing specific about "no support for x and y and z" features. So again you're just doing damage control minimizing things for the company you have such a profound bias for or like always, they completely and utterly failed at the most simple of press releases making it seem much more worst.

No no no.. you are not reading my post entirely. I clearly stated that the future updates will NOT BE TESTED for the CPU. In fact Microsoft says it, and adds that only emergency or SOME critical update will be tested.

Please read everything.

All I am saying, is that much like any older version of Windows, everything will work, despite having updates pulled. I CLEARLY state this.

 

Also stop comparing Windows 8.1 that came out 4 years ago or so to an OS that came out 16 years ago. Your analogy it's terrible and completely unfair: TODAY I wouldn't expect it to work no, but if I had a system on say 2004-5 I would expect it to work with 2000 and in fact I remember that it did.

Well it works. So you have nothing to say.

The day Intel goes "Well, let's ACTUALLY change x86 CPU architecture", now you should be concerned. Until then, Windows will work. So yes, you COULD make Windows 98 work on your system, however, due to the age of the OS, I recall it has trouble identifying 1GB of RAM and more, and the architecture of Windows is too old for PCI-E, SATA, etc, let alone have drivers, but they are ways to make it work to some level, and if it works to some level, then your CPU is operating the instructions, and hence compatible.

So I am not throwing crap, and I am not defending Microsoft. I am saying how the media is being sensationalism, and people like you, only read the title, let alone the first set of words, and assume the rest.

[FloRolf]

July 17 2017 is my 22nd birthday so i guess that'll be a nice opportunity to upgrade to some Kaby Lake-E Maybe? Intel?

[Sauron]

In a way I'm favourable to as many people as possible doing the update, there aren't many reasosn not to and the higher the diffusion, the higher the security, just like vaccines. That said I still wish people had a choice in the matter without resorting to linux or freebsd

 

How does that work? Pretty sure windows xp was not coded for a 4790k ever but it still works

 

It's a matter of support for skylake specific security features - other windows versions will still work, but they may not support them.

 

So if you're running skylake and care about security you'll want windows 10 or no windows at all.

[thekeemo]

In a way I'm favourable to as many people as possible doing the update, there aren't many reasosn not to and the higher the diffusion, the higher the security, just like vaccines. That said I still wish people had a choice in the matter without resorting to linux or freebsd

It's a matter of support for skylake specific security features - other windows versions will still work, but they may not support them.

 

So if you're running skylake and care about security you'll want windows 10 or no windows at all.

if they are skylake specific that means that people with haswell don't have those measures so its not the end of the world right?

[Sauron]

if they are skylake specific that means that people with haswell don't have those measures so its not the end of the world right?

 

I'm not sure, maybe so - but maybe the same features are implemented differently

[thekeemo]

I'm not sure, maybe so - but maybe the same features are implemented differently

I doubt this is new. I don't think windows xp got support for skylake.

[Djole123]

Waiting for an unofficial patch to run Windows 7/8 on Zen...

[Sauron]

I doubt this is new. I don't think windows xp got support for skylake.

 

It probaby still works, but many new features won't be available. For example I'd expect stuff like turbo boost to be completely broken.

[thekeemo]

It probaby still works, but many new features won't be available. For example I'd expect stuff like turbo boost to be completely broken.

windows has no idea what's going on during turbo but turbo goes through the bios not the os I think

[Sauron]

windows has no idea what's going on during turbo but turbo goes through the bios not the os I think

 

Actually it goes through both the way I understand it - the settings and max/min frequencies are controlled by the bios, but the kernel is the one telling it when to turbo and how much.

[thekeemo]

Actually it goes through both the way I understand it - the settings and max/min frequencies are controlled by the bios, but the kernel is the one telling it when to turbo and how much.

I guess it only down locks in the bios but if you were to somehow put a load in the bios if won't turbo?

[Sauron]

I guess it only down locks in the bios but if you were to somehow put a load in the bios if won't turbo?

 

The bios can't really tell when you're doing an intensive task, that's the os' job - as a result if the os doesn't know how to "speak" to the bios correctly you may end up running constantly at full turbo or never turbo at all

[LAwLz]

So I am not throwing crap, and I am not defending Microsoft. I am saying how the media is being sensationalism, and people like you, only read the title, let alone the first set of words, and assume the rest.

Well these news sounded weird to me so I went and read the blog post, as well as several other websites reporting on it. It is so vaguely worded that I think it is just as big of an assumption to say it is only new features that won't be added to older versions of Windows, as it is to say they will completely stop security updates.

You'd think that explainig such a simple thing would be an easy task, but apparently Microsoft messed it up somehow.

 

edit:

I should probably add that it would make sense though, and I really hope, that it will just be that they won't port new CPU/motherboard based features back to older versions of Windows. So if Intel announces some biometric sensor hub in their next CPU then we won't get features that relies on that ported to let's say Windows 7. That's how they have handled things in the past, but then they go on about how the OS is more tightly integrated with the SoC nowadays, and stuff...

[Unhelpful]

You'd think that explainig such a simple thing would be an easy task, but apparently Microsoft messed it up somehow.

Microshaft  "Windows 10 will be free for a year!"

User "Does that mean we can claim it for a year or just own it for a year?" 

Microshaft "Who fucking cares! Let me poorly explain it"

[Nena Trinity]

I heard Skylake required Windows 10 soon now old CPUs cannot use Windows 10?

[jaggysnake57]

so, some android flagships bearly get 12 months support and your fine, MS decide that there not gonna support new CPUs on software that is some 7 years old and you all loose your shit.   really.  

 

windows 7, the new XP......move on already, and before someone mentions privacy.....bullshit.  i call bullshit. most of you run chrome and use android......fucking google, the kings of privacy. then most of you post your shit all over twitter and facebook. FACEBOOK. jesus they made there money form selling data, it feels like every day they find a new way to invade your privacy and sell it, you all bang on about privacy but how many of you gave a shit before snowdon?  its got nothing to do with privacy and everything to do with hating on whatever company happens to be in the middle of the shit storm.

[GoodBytes]

Well these news sounded weird to me so I went and read the blog post, as well as several other websites reporting on it. It is so vaguely worded that I think it is just as big of an assumption to say it is only new features that won't be added to older versions of Windows, as it is to say they will completely stop security updates.

You'd think that explainig such a simple thing would be an easy task, but apparently Microsoft messed it up somehow.

Yea. Microsoft, for some reason, has horrible communication when it comes to announcement\communication.

That and most of their ads. They keep assuming, we all work for Microsoft, and we know exactly what is going on, to know what is being said exactly.