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Did Nvidia get screwed over? Or did Nvidia screw us over?

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After all that noise Nvidia make about "Ray Tracing" and "Tensor Cores" the game developers did not implement the "ray tracing" in Battlefield 5.

And there are news of other games dropping the "ray tracing" implementation, such as FF15 have chosen to drop "ray tracing" and Nvidia delaying the drivers for "ray tracing" as well. 

Did we just shit out over $1000 for something we won't even get to use? 

Did Nvidia get screwed over by developers? 

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I think it's probably a bit of both, but I believe the consumers got screwed harder considering the price for a FE Ti card went from $699 to $1199 for the same ~30% increase in performance generation over generation under the guise of "ray tracing" that won't even run that well at the end of the day.

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A bit of it is that m$ screwed up the windows update that was bringing some ray traysing api or whatever but I have a feeling that RTX also isn't as easy to implement as Nvidia claim

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FFXV is outside nvidia's control. It isn't my particular interest area (FFXIV is) but I gather the producer quit, SE pretty much cut most planned development for the game apart from the next DLC.

 

Dunno about other devs. It is brand new tech and shouldn't be a surprise that adoption will take time. Even without new features, the 2070 I got for example is comparable in gaming to a 1080, was same price as a 1080, but lower power consumption. It also seems to be faster at some compute applications than 1080, but I've not been able to do a side by side test.

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11 minutes ago, TheSLSAMG said:

I think it's probably a bit of both, but I believe the consumers got screwed harder considering the price for a FE Ti card went from $699 to $1199 for the same ~30% increase in performance generation over generation under the guise of "ray tracing" that won't even run that well at the end of the day.

And I'm one of the dead 2080Ti owners, once asus returns me the new card I'm putting it into my shop and sell it. Goodbye regrets. 

4 minutes ago, porina said:

FFXV is outside nvidia's control. It isn't my particular interest area (FFXIV is) but I gather the producer quit, SE pretty much cut most planned development for the game apart from the next DLC.

 

Dunno about other devs. It is brand new tech and shouldn't be a surprise that adoption will take time. Even without new features, the 2070 I got for example is comparable in gaming to a 1080, was same price as a 1080, but lower power consumption. It also seems to be faster at some compute applications than 1080, but I've not been able to do a side by side test.

Actually the 2070 performance is  matched to a GTX 1070ti as well (after you oc the card). 

Now I understand why my cousin Eric didn't get a rtx card

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a bit of both. Ray-tracing always felt like a marketing ploy to me. And its something i doubt devs are going to start implementing it anytime soon. Maybe there'll be a handful of games that use it before nvidia's next gen, but who knows. 

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8 minutes ago, Galion said:

Actually the 2070 performance is  matched to a GTX 1070ti as well (after you oc the card). 

Should compare like with like. The 1070/1070Ti/1080 thing was a bit tight anyway.

Just now, SnowWolf370 said:

But it's only for special Nvidia cards, most likely it won't be a thing..

For now it might be nvidia only, but if I understand correctly RT support isn't nvidia proprietary. It's a standard so AMD will probably follow at some point.

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8 minutes ago, porina said:

 

For now it might be nvidia only, but if I understand correctly RT support isn't nvidia proprietary. It's a standard so AMD will probably follow at some point.

Yes but the representative for AMD did say "until RT is implemented on all range of cards they well not be implementing it". 

You got to love it when AMD put Nvidia on the spot. 

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BUT ITS UP TO 10 GIGARAYS!

 

The thing is, there's a limit of how much powerful GPUs can be for rasterization alone, if you want more eye candy you'll eventually need something new and Ray Tracing is it... but until it becomes relevant it'll take another couple of years... the amount of RTX cards out there in comparison to every other GPU also is so small that yeah... it ain't the priority to any one yet.

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5 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

BUT ITS UP TO 10 GIGARAYS!

 

The thing is, there's a limit of how much powerful GPUs can be for rasterization alone, if you want more eye candy you'll eventually need something new and Ray Tracing is it... but until it becomes relevant it'll take another couple of years... the amount of RTX cards out there in comparison to every other GPU also is so small that yeah... it ain't the priority to any one yet.

As you said years, and at the rate nvidia screws up I'd probably be a grandpa and I'm 16.

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HAHAH they dropped support and it's the game they were showing it off in. All you RTX owners must feel like idiots hahah

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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

HAHAH they dropped support and it's the game they were showing it off in. All you RTX owners must feel like idiots hahah

Oh boy I'm feeling such an idiot being able to max settings whatever game that exists at 3440x1440p100fps.

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27 minutes ago, Galion said:

Yes but the representative for AMD did say "until RT is implemented on all range of cards they well not be implementing it". 

You got to love it when AMD put Nvidia on the spot. 

Yup they're really piling on the pressure by saying they wont have anything competitive for a long time.

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57 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Oh boy I'm feeling such an idiot being able to max settings whatever game that exists at 3440x1440p100fps.

Lol for the price of $1300. A 1080ti is sufficient for ultrawide 100FPS even close to 4K 60FPS

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41 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

Well, ray tracing is shit and I don't think half owners give a shit about that, they got a pretty good GPU (if not dead) and if they were willing to pay +1000 dollars I don't think they feel that scammed (when you pay max for the max)

Damn Nvidia is good a brain washing lol

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Just now, BuckGup said:

Lol for the price of $1300. A 1080ti is sufficient for ultrawide 100FPS even close to 4K 60FPS

Didn't you know you paid my salary.

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700KF @ 5.0Ghz (5.1Ghz 4-core) |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490 UD |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX @ 2666Mhz CL13 |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6800 (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Didn't you know you paid my salary.

Most people in the world aren't rich

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

HAHAH they dropped support and it's the game they were showing it off in. All you RTX owners must feel like idiots hahah

What game was that? Plenty of games are getting support for it.

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4 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

What game was that? Plenty of games are getting support for it.

Yeah 11 games and maybe 4-5 people actually play, woooo sounds like a justified way to get the same performance as a 3+ year old GPU at the cost of $1250+ and  higher tdp too

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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Most people in the world aren't rich

Then why would they care about the 2080 Ti pricing in the first place? Let me try understanding your thinking process, people with means to afford the best are dumb because they can afford the best?

 

I understand roasting nVidia for their dumb mistakes, and Ray Tracing was far too marketed when every one knew it was going to take far way longer to really get implemented, every one can agree on this, but must you really try and go insulting and ridiculing actual people just because they afforded themselves something they wanted?

 

Which; mind you, still works absolutely fine for old fashion rasterization.

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Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Then why would they care about the 2080 Ti pricing in the first place? Let me try understanding your thinking process, people with means to afford the best are dumb because they can afford the best?

 

I understand roasting nVidia for their dumb mistakes, and Ray Tracing was far too marketed when every one knew it was going to take far way longer to really get implemented, every one can agree on this, but must you really try and go insulting and ridiculing actual people just because they afforded themselves something they wanted?

 

Who mind you, still works absolutely fine for old fashion rasterization.

Nvidia is a company that sells a product to a consumer. Nvidia needs the consumer otherwise there would be no Nvidia. By buying overpriced products with a promise you tell Nvidia, yeah I'll still buy it. So now Nvidia can charge more for less because the consumers will buy anything. Great example is Apple. You are only hurting yourself in the long run, financially and technologically 

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah 11 games and maybe 4-5 people actually play, woooo sounds like a justified way to get the same performance as a 3+ year old GPU at the cost of $1250+ at the cost of higher tdp too

I'd like to know what this 3+ year old GPU is. Nearest but clearly slower are 1080ti and Titan Xp which are only around year and half old. Also TDP isn't power draw in all situations. I'm finding Turing better performance per watt over Pascal in compute uses.

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21 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah 11 games and maybe 4-5 people actually play, woooo sounds like a justified way to get the same performance as a 3+ year old GPU at the cost of $1250+ and  higher tdp too

Idk if someone can afford that $1,250 graphics card they aren't going to feel ripped off,especially not since you have spend about that much for a system that can handle a 2080Ti. A 2080Ti has about the same TDP rating as a 1080Ti,even a FE based 1080Ti can go over 300w if you bump up the clocks. The usual way of rasterized graphics has a limit to how much it scales with what power you throw at it, we'll need to use ray tracing anyway and at least Nvidia is trying to push something new to the game industry.

The pricing I'll agree on though, I won't spend that much on a GPU and i'd rather buy a 1080Ti and spend the rest on upgrading to 1440P instead.

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2 hours ago, Galion said:

After all that noise Nvidia make about "Ray Tracing" and "Tensor Cores" the game developers did not implement the "ray tracing" in Battlefield 5. 

Source?

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