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Did Nvidia get screwed over? Or did Nvidia screw us over?

Galion
By Galion
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I remember in June of 2018 trying to decide whether to get a 10 series card since they were so old at that point or waiting for the 20 series cards which were sure to offer better bang for buck. So I impatiently grabbed a 1070 ti from evga since they have the step up program if any new cards come out... I'm glad that the 20 series doesn't do shit in a price to performance perspective since that means I made a "good" investment but it also pisses me off since they should've been out last year at around the same prices as the 10 series +yearly price creep but were held until now and then not pushed as a better value in any way... 

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1 hour ago, Blademaster91 said:

Idk if someone can afford that $1,250 graphics card they aren't going to feel ripped off,especially not since you have spend about that much for a system that can handle a 2080Ti. A 2080Ti has about the same TDP rating as a 1080Ti,even a FE based 1080Ti can go over 300w if you bump up the clocks. The usual way of rasterized graphics has a limit to how much it scales with what power you throw at it, we'll need to use ray tracing anyway and at least Nvidia is trying to push something new to the game industry.

The pricing I'll agree on though, I won't spend that much on a GPU and i'd rather buy a 1080Ti and spend the rest on upgrading to 1440P instead.

According to Nvidia 1080ti is 250W while the 2080ti is 295w

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1 hour ago, porina said:

I'd like to know what this 3+ year old GPU is. Nearest but clearly slower are 1080ti and Titan Xp which are only around year and half old. Also TDP isn't power draw in all situations. I'm finding Turing better performance per watt over Pascal in compute uses.

I meant architecture and I confused released and actual card release 2014 vs 2016. So it's closer to 2+ years. My b

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The decision to buy RTX should have never been on Ray Tracing or DLSS (though i'd still like to do it on my desktop and stare at it for a bit).

 

That said, Nvidia decided to push RTX with this generation of cards, and in that regard, has failed. They didn't screw themselves, the cards still sold. Can't really blame them for that decision either, no competition.

 

The only ones who got screwed is the devs that have to work with this first gen bs, and the consumers that pre-ordered expecting RT on, and are unhappy with it.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Oh boy I'm feeling such an idiot being able to max settings whatever game that exists at 3440x1440p100fps.

 

+1

 

3 hours ago, PacketMan said:

Well, ray tracing is shit and I don't think half owners give a shit about that, they got a pretty good GPU (if not dead) and if they were willing to pay +1000 dollars I don't think they feel that scammed (when you pay max for the max)

 

I wouldn't say ray tracing is shit, but it's definitely the standard performance thats more of interest to me, not only now, but going forward. my current rig that i'll be replacing the GPU, MB, DDR, and CPU in has lasted me 5 years, with a 2080Ti in and the use of the AM4 socket to take advantage of Zen 2 or Zen 3 much later on this should easily last as long if not longer.

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Also Battlefield V has not dropped raytracing support. But all raytracing with NVIDIA hardware requires the use of microsoft DX12 raytracing features which where supposed to be released in he October update. You know the one microsoft had to pull because it was deleting users data and they still haven't released.

 

Without that DX12 update it's physically impossible for game devs to implement raytracing on RTX cards.

 

2 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

Saying that every RTX owner must feel stupid because they won't have ray tracing is just stupid

No one cares about ray tracing, they didn't payed a thousand dollars for the damn RTX but for the performance, and denying it is just even more stupid, of course it's more expensive, of course it's a little increase for the money increase, but it happened with the 10 series already and they'll do the same on the next gen

I don't support Nvidia and I think it's an evil corp but denying the new GPUs are better than the 10 series is just, again, stupid and it's not that I'm brain washed

RTX 2070 vs GTX 1070

RTX 2070 vs GTX 1080:

You pay more, yes, you get more, yes

 

ALso i'm not going fro  lst gen to current gwen, i'm going from the GTX 970 to the 2080Ti. Makes the value proposition given GTX 10 series prices much different.

 

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Raytracing played zero factor in buying a 2080ti for me.

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1 hour ago, PacketMan said:

"No one cares about ray tracing, they didn't payed a thousand dollars for the damn RTX"

I don't need to say anymore

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1 hour ago, TahoeDust said:

Raytracing played zero factor in buying a 2080ti for me.

So you are saying you are fine paying $400 more each generation for a tiny performance improvement?

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26 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

So you are saying you are fine paying $400 more each generation for a tiny performance improvement?

I'm saying I am fine paying $1300 for the performance I got.

 

If you don't like it, don't pay for it.

 

Your posts throwing shade at the people that bought them are sad and petty.

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5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

HAHAH they dropped support and it's the game they were showing it off in. All you RTX owners must feel like idiots hahah

What?  They didn't drop support.  It's still very much coming in an update later on.  Right from Dice:

 

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Nvidia rushed this product to the market. Navi's mid range is allegedly going to bring GTX 1080/RTX 2070/Vega 64 performance to the mid range $250. Hopefully, Navi's high end performs greater than the RTX 2080 Ti. Otherwise, we are kind boned on pricing for a long time. 

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I didn't get my RTX card for the promise of RT support from nVidia, I got it for two reasons:

1. It's the fastest consumer gaming card in the world

2. Very poor, abysmally poor impulse control 

 

I game with the RTX on a 3440x1440 monitor, none of this Gsync nonsense, and I can play every game maxed out. I do support AMD as well, I have two VEGA 64's in CF with a Freesync monitor.

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I don't think anyone here that bought a RTX 2080 ti did so because of ray tracing. 

We bought it because we need more power.

Plain and simple.

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2 hours ago, TahoeDust said:

I'm saying I am fine paying $1300 for the performance I got.

 

If you don't like it, don't pay for it.

 

Your posts throwing shade at the people that bought them are sad and petty.

Yes but everything isn't about you. 35% of the GPUs used on the steam hardware survey are $250 or less. So would you pay $1700 for a 19% performance bump over your 2080ti?

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Yes but everything isn't about you. 35% of the GPUs used on the steam hardware survey are $250 or less. So would you pay $1700 for a 19% performance bump over your 2080ti?

If I felt like I needed/wanted the performance it offered, sure.

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6 hours ago, Blademaster91 said:

What game was that? Plenty of games are getting support for it.

There are 2 I know of that announced the drop and some are still hanging by a thread "FF15" and "Lara croft" and due to driver delay issues Battlefield 5 had to change the games support coding for rtx, they may still implement it but not sure yet. 

6 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

Source?

UFD, Gamer Meld, Gamer Nexus(Steve) each have sources

2 hours ago, SSJGodemis said:

Nvidia rushed this product to the market. Navi's mid range is allegedly going to bring GTX 1080/RTX 2070/Vega 64 performance to the mid range $250. Hopefully, Navi's high end performs greater than the RTX 2080 Ti. Otherwise, we are kind boned on pricing for a long time. 

Navi is coming at mid ranged at the moment, more for console anyways so keep waiting. 

1 hour ago, GamerDude said:

I didn't get my RTX card for the promise of RT support from nVidia, I got it for two reasons:

1. It's the fastest consumer gaming card in the world

2. Very poor, abysmally poor impulse control 

 

I game with the RTX on a 3440x1440 monitor, none of this Gsync nonsense, and I can play every game maxed out. I do support AMD as well, I have two VEGA 64's in CF with a Freesync monitor.

1. It's the fastest card alright, the fastest one to died on me yet "2 days" can you name me another card that you'd need to RMA after 2 freaking days lol. 

2. Self control I have none either but I kinda want to laugh when I think that Nvidia came out with "Woo-hoo AMD can't touch us again "  and AMD didn't have to since so much went wrong at launch and then the cards dying. Thanks to Steve and his crew / gamer nexus for making the time to find out that not all cards were dead like mine, at least a few 2080ti souls can rest knowing a few shall live on. 

But mine after asus replaces mine I'm putting it into the shop to sell. Goodbye disappointment. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Galion said:

After all that noise Nvidia make about "Ray Tracing" and "Tensor Cores" the game developers did not implement the "ray tracing" in Battlefield 5.

And there are news of other games dropping the "ray tracing" implementation, such as FF15 have chosen to drop "ray tracing" and Nvidia delaying the drivers for "ray tracing" as well. 

Did we just shit out over $1000 for something we won't even get to use? 

Did Nvidia get screwed over by developers? 

clickbait

both are due to other circumstances?

 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/battlefield-5-ray-tracing-dx12-performance

 

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/final-fantasy-xv-may-not-receive-its-promised-mod-tools-and-vulkan-support-as-luminous-productions-focuses-on-new-game/

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Galion said:

 

1. It's the fastest card alright, the fastest one to died on me yet "2 days" can you name me another card that you'd need to RMA after 2 freaking days lol. 

2. Self control I have none either but I kinda want to laugh when I think that Nvidia came out with "Woo-hoo AMD can't touch us again "  and AMD didn't have to since so much went wrong at launch and then the cards dying. Thanks to Steve and his crew / gamer nexus for making the time to find out that not all cards were dead like mine, at least a few 2080ti souls can rest knowing a few shall live on. 

But mine after asus replaces mine I'm putting it into the shop to sell. Goodbye disappointment. 

 

 

I just got the cheapest RTX 2080 Ti I could find at about the launch period here, and surprisingly, I think it has a custom board hence no issue with 'mortality'. Great card and cooling, I don't see temps going past 68C tops when I game......FYI, I ain't an nVidia fanboy, but I do appreciate that they have a card that can basically max out all the games I play with it at 3440x1440. And as I've said, I do support, and a proud flag waving, chest thumping AMD fanboy, that's why the two VEGA64's are for my main rig.

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I just got the cheapest RTX 2080 Ti I could find at about the launch period here, and surprisingly, I think it has a custom board hence no issue with 'mortality'. Great card and cooling, I don't see temps going past 68C tops when I game......FYI, I ain't an nVidia fanboy, but I do appreciate that they have a card that can basically max out all the games I play with it at 3440x1440. And as I've said, I do support, and a proud flag waving, chest thumping AMD fanboy, that's why the two VEGA64's are for my main rig.

Lucky you I bought my 2080ti at first was thinking I've never had a reference card before this was my chance and it disappointed me so badly. 

Anyways I think I'll stick with my 1080ssince I've got a good fps at the moment. 

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7 hours ago, BuckGup said:

So you are saying you are fine paying $400 more each generation for a tiny performance improvement?

it's not "tiny", i need it for specifically to run 4k 98fps high, the improvement on hdr (there are mods for some games) is 25% over a 1080 ti. it also depends on what the person is upgrading from, 1200usd for a 25% improvement might be worth it to some people. 40usd/%. When i had to decide on this build from a gtx 970, the 2080 ti for 4k was a no-brainer. 

 

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5 hours ago, xg32 said:

it's not "tiny", i need it for specifically to run 4k 98fps high, the improvement on hdr (there are mods for some games) is 25% over a 1080 ti. it also depends on what the person is upgrading from, 1200usd for a 25% improvement might be worth it to some people. 40usd/%. When i had to decide on this build from a gtx 970, the 2080 ti for 4k was a no-brainer. 

 

It is what it is, nvidia has a monopoly.

A fool and his money soon part. On the other hand, I am happy for you. 

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I wanted to go for the 2080Ti but all that nonsense about ray tracing made me change my mind. Also the price is absurd, and I CAN pay for the 2080Ti but do I want to fork out that amount of money just for ray tracing and no competition? Hell no! Instead, I got the 1080Ti for €680. nVidia has become way too greedy they are thinking of many ways to increase their greed and profits and one of them is ray tracing. Want ray tracing? You have pay for absurd prices. I hope the devs will refuse so ray tracing can die a slow death just like with HairWorks and PhysX and then hopefully we can get raw and true performance.

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16 hours ago, BuckGup said:

According to Nvidia 1080ti is 250W while the 2080ti is 295w

2080 Ti is 260W

Main PC:

CPU: Intel Core i9 13900KS SP 116 (124P-102E) (6.1Ghz P-Cores 4.8Ghz E-cores) MC SP 88

CPU Voltage: LLC8 1.525V (real voltage 1.425V + - Temps 85-90 P-Cores, 70-73 E-cores)

Cooled by: Supercool Direct Die 14th gen full nickel

Motherboard: Z790 ASUS Maximus Apex Encore

RAM: GSkill TridentZ 2x24GB DDR5 8600Mhz CL38 (OC from 8000Mhz CL40)

GPU: RTX MSI 4090 Suprim X with EKWB waterblock

Case: My own case fabricated out of aluminium and wood

Storage: 4x 2TB Sarbent Rocket Plus Gen 4.0 NVMe, 1x External 2TB Seagate Barracuda (Backup)

WiFi: BE202 WiFi 7 Tri-Band card module

PSU: Corsair AX1600i with custom black and red cables with 2x Corsair 5V+ Load Balancer

Display: Samsung Oddysey G9 240Hz Ver. 5120x1440 with G-Sync and Freesync Premium Pro 1008 Firmware Ver, and 1x Electriq USB C 1080p 15'8 inch IPS portable display for temperature and stats, MSI 23'8 144Hz G-Sync

Fan Controllers:  6x AquaComputer Octo with 5 temperature sensors

Cooling: Three Custom Loops:

1st Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for GPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, red coolant

2nd Loop: 5x 480mm XE CoolStream radiators with 1x Revo D5 RGB pump and 1x Rajintek Antila D5 Evo RGB pump for CPU only cooling with 2x Koolance QDC3, purple coolant

3rd Loop: 1x 240mm PE CoolStream radiator with 1x EKWB Revo D5 pump (RAM ONLY)

Total: 5x pumps and 13x radiators 50x 3000RPM Noctua Industrial fans

Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow V3 RGB - Green switches

Sound: Logitech Z680 5.1 THX Certified 505W Speakers

Mouse: Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock

Piano: Yamaha P155

Phone: Oppo Find X5 Pro

Camera: Logitech Brio Pro 4K

VR: Oculus Rift S

External SSD: 256GB Overclocking OS

Laptop: MSI Titan GT77HX V13, RTX 4090 175W, i9 13980HX OC: P-Cores 5.8Ghz 3 cores and 5.2Ghz 5 cores and E-Cores 4.3Ghz, 192GB of RAM @5600Mhz @3600 (chipset limit),

12TB (3x4TB) of NVMe, 17'3 inch 4K 144Hz MiniLED screen, 4x 17'3 ASUS portable USB-C Monitors 240Hz, Creative Sound Blaster G6 Sound Card, Portable 16TB NVMe in TB4 enclosures (8x2TB), Razer Basilisk Ultimate Wireless with charging dock gaming mouse, Keychron K3 gaming keyboard with blue switches low profile, Logitech Brio 4K Webcam.

Hand held: ROG Ally with XG Mobile RTX 3080 with Keychron K3 low profile keyboard (Blue Switches) and Razer Hyperspeed V3 mouse and 4TB NVMe upgrade (WDBlack SN850X), with 100W 20000Mah power bank and portable monitor ROG XG17AHP 17'3 inch 240Hz with built in battery, and 518Wh Power station for Camping.

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Posted
7 hours ago, xg32 said:

it's not "tiny", i need it for specifically to run 4k 98fps high, the improvement on hdr (there are mods for some games) is 25% over a 1080 ti. it also depends on what the person is upgrading from, 1200usd for a 25% improvement might be worth it to some people. 40usd/%. When i had to decide on this build from a gtx 970, the 2080 ti for 4k was a no-brainer. 

 

It is what it is, nvidia has a monopoly.

 

Yeah i'm going from the 970, the performance jump there as demonstrated by hardware unboxed is massive.

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