Outraged by the implementation of Women in Battlefield 5

[Hunter259]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

That would be an assumption of what they're doing not factually what they are doing.  Maybe the didn't word it the way you wanted them too, but it's a work of fiction it's not a history lesson, a history book, or a historical documentary with strong facts.  On top of that even if you wanted to argue that it has to be historically accurate then it is in some sense.  Women did fight in WWII.  There was Nancy Wake, Lyudmila Pavlichenko, Gertrude Boyarski, The Night Witches, Susan Travers, and plenty of US women hidden as men to fight in the war.   So, regardless of which definition you want to use, they aren't wrong that women fought during WW2.  It's literally just sexist bitching at this point.  There were also women who didn't hide as men to fight in WW2 as well. 

Uh. I've said quite a few times in this thread that I have no problem with women in the game as long as it's done in a way that won't break the atmosphere. Put a couple of hidden women on the front lines. Give us the russians snipers or resistance fighters. I'm all for that.

[Brooksie359]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

Then they shouldn't make up any characters either because that's equally inaccurate.

There is a difference between the two. I mean one is writing a fictional story based on historical events. The other is just plain historically inaccurate. 

[XenosTech]

This makes me appreciate the days I had to listen squeakers on the comms in my days of playing CoD: MW.... I'd take that any day over this nonsensical drivel about  game portraying a time period being "historically accurate." Just shut up and play the game already or go buy your historically accurate game and be content

[Hunter259]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

Then they shouldn't make up any characters either because that's equally inaccurate.

I've also said that gameplay is a different point all together. I've only been talking about atmosphere. You can't tell a story or give a background to every single character on the battlefield. You can, however, get the atmosphere right. Now what would be cool is a story based in and around the russian sniper group. That's the kinda "never before seen" that I would pay money for.

[Techicolors]

the game trailer was pretty confusing. not sure if it's WW2 

[Hunter259]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

This is my understanding of it.  It's fiction and long as it is fiction the dev can do whatever the fuck they want, I don't care nor see why people care.

The argument is "We can make up fictional characters with fictional back stories and that's okay."  "Historically, there were women fighting, but goddammit if we put them in the wrong place!  Only that is historically inaccurate because women!"  It's not a fair argument it is literally sexist no matter how you spin it.

How is that sexist? It was a war with over 24 million military soldiers dead. How in hell are you going to tell a story for each and every one of them? The appearance of the characters is part of the atmosphere. I mean for fucks sake IM CALLING FOR ACTUAL HISTORICAL STORY LINES THAT HAVE WOMEN AS THE FOCUS.

[Brooksie359]

10 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

This is my understanding of it.  It's fiction and long as it is fiction the dev can do whatever the fuck they want, I don't care nor see why people care.

The argument is "We can make up fictional characters with fictional back stories and that's okay."  "Historically, there were women fighting, but goddammit if we put them in the wrong place!  Only that is historically inaccurate because women!"  It's not a fair argument it is literally sexist no matter how you spin it.

You can say it's sexism all you want but that doesn't make you right. People can be mad about it being historically inaccurate if they want and that doesn't make it sexist. 

[Hunter259]

7 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

I think you missed where I originally said it wasn't directed at you or your own argument, the sexist bit.  Go to the very first page.  One guy was arguing that no men are in factories in that game they haven't played yet, another bitched because a woman was on the cover, and another demanded all women be removed from the game in the deluxe edition calling them thots.  It's not about historical this or that it's just a bunch of whiny sexist guys who don't know their history at all.

 

Those guys are either trolls or sexist. And yeah I see that know. I like historical atmospheres because otherwise it would turn into a documentary and that just wouldn't be enjoyable. The problem is when that is being called sexist when many of the people who agree with me are being called that when we are calling FOR women in the game. Just done differently than this.

[Sauron]

1 hour ago, Brooksie359 said:

I wouldn't complain if they had it in a modern war setting. So that would make the reason why I don't like it is because of historical inaccuracy not sexism. It's annoying when people just jump to its sexist real fast.

It's more annoying when people try to hide behind "muh accuracy" when it's clear they never cared until it was about having women in the game.

 

"We want more women in games!"

gamers: "OMG who cares it's just a game!!11!1"

*devs put women in games*

gamers:  "OMG they're ruining our precious, otherwise 100% historically accurate art with historical inaccuracies!"

 

Making a fuss about an gameplay wise indistinguishable ingame character being nominally female in a multiplayer game where you can hit planes with an RPG and your health regenerates is ludicrous and yes, sexist - because clearly you wouldn't mind if it were anything other than a woman being historically inaccurate. As others pointed out, the maps are wrong, the weapons are wrong, the vehicles are wrong , THE PHYSICS are wrong and nobody cares - but a woman??? Oh dear, we can't have THAT particular inaccuracy, can we now? Oh please...

 

If having female characters is such a deal breaker to you, don't buy it (personally I wouldn't have anyway) but stop pretending it's about historical accuracy.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

5 hours ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

 

"If all the men in this game aren't back home working on factories I'm going to be pissed."

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... OK, would that be it?

 

5 hours ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

The problem lies in the fact that a norm was transcended and the norm was having a man on the cover and playing with male characters

The true norm is to be outraged. Be an outraged feminist. Be outraged at feminism. Be outraged at excessive outrage if you must, but be outraged at something or you are less of a human being.

 

After all, isn't that what Twitter is for? I don't use it so I wouldn't know, but I don't personally experience that much outrage in my everyday life. I'm exposed to it mostly through news outlets, and news outlets mostly cite a few handpicked twits to base their outrage reports (5/5 journalism, would copy-paste again).

[Blademaster91]

58 minutes ago, Razor Blade said:

The problem is when certain people get offended, they let you know in a way that is to do everything in their power to publicly shame you in an attempt to get you to admit you're ignorant and stupid if you don't agree with their opinion.

The most recent example of special interest groups making publishers or companies cave to their demands is that Steam visual novel ban, a few get offended or the company is afraid someone might get offended so make huge changes that affect everyone instead.

[Tech_Dreamer]

Just play the game idiots , it's not a war simulation. technically it is, but you get what i mean.

[kaiju_wars]

You know what I was thinking during the trailer... cause obviously men or women with limbs missing wouldn't be deployed.  I'm thinking she's a french resistance fighter, or some civilian fighter in some aspect

 

[Sauron]

11 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

The most recent example of special interest groups making publishers or companies cave to their demands is that Steam visual novel ban, a few get offended or the company is afraid someone might get offended so make huge changes that affect everyone instead.

Which has nothing to do with BF5 having women in it... or are you telling me that's a "huge change that affects everyone"?

[Agonizel]

22 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

cite a few handpicked twits to base their outrage reports

check the youtube comment section un the BF5 Trailer, there is no hand-picking here. Everywhere your eyes go, it's complaining about wahmen

[XenosTech]

11 minutes ago, kaiju_wars said:

You know what I was thinking during the trailer... cause obviously men or women with limbs missing wouldn't be deployed.  I'm thinking she's a french resistance fighter, or some civilian fighter in some aspect

 

You're not allowed to used logic here, just outrage

[kaiju_wars]

Just now, XenosTech said:

You're not allowed to used logic here, just outrage

But I have actual shit in my life going on to be outraged at.

 

Plus, again, iirc, she wasn't wearing a US patch or UK, or even German.  Which led me to believe she is a resistance fighter of some sort.  

I honestly really don't care either way.  Everyone plays Battlefield for the multiplayer.  You either love or hate their campaigns, and they always have some flaw.  Just average (but Imo fun) like in BF3, boring and dull like in BF4, or really great but criminally short like in BF1.  

[dalekphalm]

5 hours ago, MrDynamicMan said:

My god who actually cares...

 

Its an arcade shooter. Historical accuracy is already out the window. Having a female PC doesnt matter.

You mean jumping out of an exploding Jet Fighter, falling into a Helicopter mid-flight, boarding it, gunning down 25 enemies, then as the Helicopter crashes, jumping out at the right moment to land ON a moving Humvee isn't historically accurate?

 

Like for fucks sake - has any of these people ever played a Battlefield game? Even Battlefield 1942 wasn't historically accurate. None of them ever were.

 

They're marginally more accurate than - say - Call of Duty, but that's not saying much...

5 hours ago, XenosTech said:

BF1 was too historically accurate

LMFAO WHAT?

 

BF1 is one of the least historically accurate historical games I've ever played lol.

[MilitantCro]

Im all about equal rights and everything. But I dont like games pushing something just to please the SJWs.

 

It will come to a point where we will never get a historicly accurate movie or a video game just because they will be scared of getting attacked by them.

[yian88]

6 hours ago, SC2Mitch said:

Your profile picture has a car, I'm a eco kind of guy, that offends me, remove it or I'll erm-.. find something to flame you with......... 

/s

Or change the law so he can get arrested when you are offended, much more effective.

[matrix07012]

5 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

You mean jumping out of an exploding Jet Fighter, falling into a Helicopter mid-flight, boarding it, gunning down 25 enemies, then as the Helicopter crashes, jumping out at the right moment to land ON a moving Humvee isn't historically accurate?

 

Like for fucks sake - has any of these people ever played a Battlefield game? Even Battlefield 1942 wasn't historically accurate. None of them ever were.

 

They're marginally more accurate than - say - Call of Duty, but that's not saying much...

So if Luke Skywalker appeared in the trailer, jumped up onto a plane and cut it in half with his lightsaber, would that be fine, since it's just a game and it isn't 100% realistic? Or would that break the immersion and the suspension of disbelief? 

[MadyTehWolfie]

6 hours ago, TimeOmnivore said:

What's funny is that these people are complaining about historical accuracy, when women actually did fight in WWII.

Barely. To my knowledge it was mostly french resistance fighters and one platoon of all female Russian soldiers. First group was out of need the second disbanded cause they sucked.

[MadyTehWolfie]

6 hours ago, Cookybiscuit said:

Women were not deployed in front line combat roles in WW2 other than for the Soviet Union and resistance fighters, these are the facts. Having a disabled British female soldier in the game is just embarrassing pandering to SJWs, and looks to be working judging from the likes of OP relishing the "outrage". While this is a very, very stupid decision from a historical accuracy perspective, it was a fantastic choice from a marketing perspective. Your average brain dead Kotaku or Polygon reader wouldn't have known BFV existed were it not for this, and they'll probably view buying the game as some kind of duty to prove they are an ally of SJW garbage.

Wait the women in the trailer is disabled? Lol Back then no disbaled people would even be in the military much less fighting on the front line.

[Majinhoju]

42 minutes ago, matrix07012 said:

So if Luke Skywalker appeared in the trailer, jumped up onto a plane and cut it in half with his lightsaber, would that be fine, since it's just a game and it isn't 100% realistic? Or would that break the immersion and the suspension of disbelief? 

If that happened I'd probably buy the game.

[matrix07012]

1 minute ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Barely. To my knowledge it was mostly french resistance fighters and one platoon of all female Russian soldiers. First group was out of need the second disbanded cause they sucked.

They were about 2,5% of the US army and considering the low death count, most of them weren't on the front lines.