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Senate votes to overturn ajit pais net neutrality repeal

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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/senate-votes-to-overturn-ajit-pais-net-neutrality-repeal/

 

A win for the internet but the fight is not over.

Don't let the telecoms win, keep fighting at<removed>

We don't need other countries or companies thinking that this is OK in anyway.

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Feels bad knowing people voted for a party that consistently screws people over, but it is a relief that it didn't happen because Canada usually looks south for some directions.

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This is just great 

I'm glad it didn't happen too late

But unfortunately I doubt

It'll make it through the house

 

And making it through the pres...

No matter what everybody says

I don't think he'll let it pass

This overturning won't last

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Just now, DocSwag said:

This is just great 

I'm glad it didn't happen too late

But unfortunately I doubt

It'll make it through the house

 

And making it through the pres...

No matter what everybody says

I don't like he'll let it pass

This overturning won't last

Did you just turn that into a poem?

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They're about 1/8th the way there...yeah NN is gone

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3 minutes ago, NowakVulpix said:

Did you just turn that into a poem?

Maybe I did

Why, what's wrong with it, kid?

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Just now, DocSwag said:

Maybe I did

Why, what's wrong with it, kid?

I mean, it's creative.

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Now onto the house. Hopefully representatives who were considering switching saw senators switch sides and will be encouraged

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5 minutes ago, NowakVulpix said:

I mean, it's creative.

Oh, well, thanks man

I did it just because I can :P 

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Well I doubt it will pass the house and honestly I don't want it to I'd rather the companies that are forming a cartel be broken apart as net neutrality doesn't fix anything for me what so ever.

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I think there a non-trivial chance this could actually happen. The Republicans in the House are facing a really tough midterm election this November and Democrats could bludgeon Republicans in swing districts who vote against this resolution considering net neutrality's popularity.

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I think it's funny that people believe it's the end of the internet as if it wasn't already this way 10 years ago and ISPs were not doing what everyone thinks they are going to back then

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10 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

Well I doubt it will pass the house and honestly I don't want it to I'd rather the companies that are forming a cartel be broken apart as net neutrality doesn't fix anything for me what so ever.

Considering how favorable the senate map is for the GOP this election while the House is very much in play and slightly favoring the Democrats, I would think the senate would be the tougher of the two houses to get this passed through. If Trump threatens a veto early on it'll be dead but it might be a bad move considering he'd become a lame duck president this term if he loses the House, and the Democrats would love to hammer Trump in the midterms over vetoing preservation of net neutrality. It would be an amazing wedge issue for the Democrats in the swing districts they need to win to take the House back.

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3 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

over vetoing preservation of net neutrality.

I honestly don't think most people care tbh, democrats might care but frankly they aren't swing voters so that's a wash mostly what the republicans should do is push for states rights to decide which means they don't have to allow it but put it into an ultimately unenforceable situation while doing something their base would agree with and snuff out cries about this relatively unimportant issue (since again it doesn't fix anything)

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5 minutes ago, Sierra Fox said:

I think it's funny that people believe it's the end of the internet as if it wasn't already this way 10 years ago and ISPs were not doing what everyone thinks they are going to back then

We essentially had net neutrality back then. Not in law, but ISPs hadn't thought of screwing over customers in this way at that point. Also, how the internet has been used has changed drastically in 10 years. There has been a massive shift toward streaming and using other methods of watching hi-res video, meaning ISPs have more of an incentive to do this because it's easier than updating their infrastructure to support the higher demand. It doesn't justify it, but it does help explain why we are where we are right now.

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2 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

I honestly don't think most people care tbh, democrats might care but frankly they aren't swing voters so that's a wash mostly what the republicans should do is push for states rights to decide which means they don't have to allow it but put it into an ultimately unenforceable situation while doing something their base would agree with and snuff out cries about this relatively unimportant issue (since again it doesn't fix anything)

8 out 10 Americans seem to support net neutrality, so that's a ton of swing voters.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/12/12/this-poll-gave-americans-a-detailed-case-for-and-against-the-fccs-net-neutrality-plan-the-reaction-among-republicans-was-striking/

 

The margins are probably going to be pretty small either way in the vote for the House, so even a couple of points here and there could be the difference between Trump getting his agenda through in the next two years and that legislative agenda dying.

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ISPs hadn't thought of screwing over customers in this way at that point.

That's because they weren't in agreement of territory boundaries  yet, in essence all of these issues stem from localized monopolization of telecommunications via a "secret" (everyone knows about it) agreement between the major providers to essentially form a cartel. In essence enforce the laws that deal with cartels and the issue becomes entirely meaningless.

 

Frankly net neutrality never stopped throttling, it just changed how they do it essentially throttling data during certain time spans for regions rather than certain content like video streams and torrent.

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4 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

8 out 10 Americans seem to support net neutrality, so that's a ton of swing voters.

Who the hell takes surveys xD

 

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Not trying to get super political or anything but it's just stupid how childish people act because "the other team" is seen as evil or some garbage.

Frankly after Obamacare was shoved down my throat I'm all for not passing anything ever again on the federal level, I prefer my state government to the federal nonsense any day.

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20 minutes ago, Shakaza said:

We essentially had net neutrality back then. Not in law, but ISPs hadn't thought of screwing over customers in this way at that point. Also, how the internet has been used has changed drastically in 10 years. There has been a massive shift toward streaming and using other methods of watching hi-res video, meaning ISPs have more of an incentive to do this because it's easier than updating their infrastructure to support the higher demand. It doesn't justify it, but it does help explain why we are where we are right now.

You think a silly law like NN is going to prevent ISPs from being absolute controlling dick-nozzles?

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10 minutes ago, Sierra Fox said:

You think a silly law like NN is going to prevent ISPs from being absolute controlling dick-nozzles?

Well, we'll probably need more legislation, but I would say this is a good start.

 

24 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

Frankly net neutrality never stopped throttling, it just changed how they do it essentially throttling data during certain time spans for regions rather than certain content like video streams and torrent.

People who aren't in favor of net neutrality always act as if it will create a law that will never change. Meanwhile, I'm just here thinking, "Okay, Net Neutrality as a principle is good, and the laws being implemented to uphold this principle are a good start, but ISPs are dickheads, so we probably need some changes in the future to ensure they can't take advantage of loopholes." We just need to get our collective foot in the door, keep it there, and move forward from there.

 

Also, if it never stopped throttling, why are ISPs so opposed to it being implemented? Wouldn't they rather have a useless law in place that placates the consumer? They obviously don't like it, and from what we've seen, it's not because they care about the consumer, so it must be detrimental to them in some way. You know, cutting into their profits, preventing them from taking advantage of the consumer, things like that. Or is there some other reason?

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I just want to see it pass the house and reach Trump. Then atleast I can blame it not passing on his sorry ass.

 

Err is that too political? Who the hell am I kidding this is essentially a political topic.

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Given the "Washington Two-Step", this probably dies in the House. 

 

I'm really quite interested to see how the eventual State AGs vs FedGov goes at SCOTUS on the topic. SCOTUS might split the difference and kill Wickard in the process. That'd be damn funny if that is how that atrocity of a case was finally overturned.

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15 minutes ago, Shakaza said:

why are ISPs so opposed to it being implemented?

Quite a few potential reasons including network strain, the inability to prioritize business customers, potential legal fees every time netflix is laggy, the other aspects of something being a utility such as their legal responsibilities when having to deal with customers being more obtuse.

 

But more so I think there is one key thing and you reference it in your list

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Wouldn't they rather have a useless law in place that placates the consumer?

They would however would it placate the average consumer if it seemed that ISPs were indifferent to the law, essentially if it doesn't make the companies whom everyone hates suffer then why would it gain support, its quite a good strategy if it is planned but given that Obama was quite chummy with Comcast executives I doubt it really affects them in an extreme manner regardless.

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