iPhone X is dead as consumers turn their backs on pricey smartphones

[MyName13]

13 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Still don't understand why people are saying the Snapdragon 425 is shit. It does everything a damn site better than a Tegra 3 or generic 1.3GHz mediatek quad core. Web browsing for example with Chrome and Firefox is flawless instead of a laggy/crashing/burn your ear off mess. Then again I don't play mobile games on it due to the cost of prepaid data.

Now that someone's mentioned snapdragon 4xx, I've found out that every snapdragon series (since 2013/14) has octa core CPUs (some cheaper 6xx probably have hexa cores), what are the most notable differences between all these series then?

[Dabombinable]

1 minute ago, MyName13 said:

Now that someone's mentioned snapdragon 4xx, I've found out that every snapdragon series (since 2013/14) has octa core CPUs (some cheaper 6xx probably have hexa cores), what are the most notable differences between all these series then?

Core count, frequency and the GPU.

9 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Have you considered Aldi?  Their prepaid data packs are quite good. $25 for 4G on 4g.

I've got to buy an $80 recharge for my phone to get it unlocked. So I'd probably look at Aldi in around 12 months or so - Googlemaps with only the GPS doesn't work too well.

Spoiler

(bought it locked because I needed a recharge anyway & the price difference ended up being only $30...which is the recharge amount I use).

 

[Commodus]

9 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

I refer you to my donglebook pro at work then

Oh, didn't say #donglelife was great on Macs.... but on an iPhone, the worst thing to happen is that you might need an adapter to both charge and listen.  Before I got Bluetooth headphones I just left the adapter attached to my headphones.

[minervx]

exaggerated title.

 

due to technology getting better and diminishing returns happening in technological innovation, there's no incentive to upgrade your phone every 18 months anymore

[Syntaxvgm]

14 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Oh, didn't say #donglelife was great on Macs.... but on an iPhone, the worst thing to happen is that you might need an adapter to both charge and listen.  Before I got Bluetooth headphones I just left the adapter attached to my headphones.

it's more about listening on the go to me. Yes there's a lightning to 3.5, but a lot of headphones are being made as lightning headphones, which....now they're only compatible with the iphone. Took this nice universal thing and made it more complicated. Btw what happened to 2.5mm? That was a nice easily adaptable smaller standard.

[TacoSenpai]

I don't like using them and much prefer android devices namely the Galaxy line but if I really wanted to use iOS which has its perks I think I would just use the cheaper iphone 8.  As premium as the iphone x seems I can't see myself throwing down that much dough on a phone.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

6 minutes ago, LordTaco42 said:

I don't like using them and much prefer android devices namely the Galaxy line but if I really wanted to use iOS which has its perks I think I would just use the cheaper iphone 8.  As premium as the iphone x seems I can't see myself throwing down that much dough on a phone.

Also most people still don't like that kind of shitty gestural interface. That's why I don't use Snapchat - stupid inexplicable gestures as opposed to some FUCKING SOFTWARE BUTTONS COUGH COUGH IPHONE X COUGH COUGH

[Commodus]

13 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

it's more about listening on the go to me. Yes there's a lightning to 3.5, but a lot of headphones are being made as lightning headphones, which....now they're only compatible with the iphone. Took this nice universal thing and made it more complicated. Btw what happened to 2.5mm? That was a nice easily adaptable smaller standard.

Lightning headphones do seem silly to me.  They can have functional advantages over regular gear, but I'd still go Bluetooth if I hadn't already.

 

The 2.5mm jack... well, I'd say the problem was that it was both before its time and not enough.  It mainly existed in the pre-iPhone era where headphones were there to listen to FM radio or the 10 MP3s you somehow managed to move on to your Nokia.  You didn't mind using the pack-in headphones because you were unlikely to use it as a serious music player.  And now, the issue is that it'd offer only a bit of space saving, but not as much as removing the jack entirely and without any extra functionality to make up for its presence.

[Zodiark1593]

3 hours ago, MyName13 said:

Now that someone's mentioned snapdragon 4xx, I've found out that every snapdragon series (since 2013/14) has octa core CPUs (some cheaper 6xx probably have hexa cores), what are the most notable differences between all these series then?

The 4xx series seems to still be manufactured on 28nm vs 14nm for the 625 and 626.

[79wjd]

35 minutes ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

Also most people still don't like that kind of shitty gestural interface. That's why I don't use Snapchat - stupid inexplicable gestures as opposed to some FUCKING SOFTWARE BUTTONS COUGH COUGH IPHONE X COUGH COUGH

I don't know a single person with an X (or any device that uses gestures) who doesn't prefer simple/consistent gestures over a button.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

10 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

I don't know a single person with an X (or any device that uses gestures) who doesn't prefer simple/consistent gestures over a button.

And I know 4 - which is how many friends I have.

[michaelocarroll007]

17 hours ago, Okjoek said:

Sources:

RT: https://www.rt.com/business/424820-iphonex-apple-expensive-smartphone/

 

CNBC: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/20/apple-iphone-x-discontinued-this-year-analyst-says.html

Quotes from the articles:

My opinions:

I honestly didn't know that thing costed about a grand. Dayumn that's expensive. When our family went to pick out new phones I thought my Galaxy S7 was a bit pricey and it had an MSRP of 669 USD. My first Smartphone was the iPhone 5c after I graduated HS. It was like magic compared to not having a smartphone, but that said I'm never going back to IOS from Android. I'm not giving up all the versatility, expandable storage and I'm not giving up the 3.5 jack. If my S7 ever became broken beyond repair I'd go with Samsung again or one of the other Android brands and probably below 500 USD at that. We got all our phones from Verizon because of some discount we got because of the company me and my mom work for. I know they had Samsung and LG, but I forget who else they had brands for.

 

Yeah phones are just getting expensive i think the X was 1000 & 1150 for the options in the US. 

ATT Verizon and Sprint all are charging for the S9+ Above MSRP $920.00 I think just because they figured they can

 

Samsung will sell it for $820 and Tmobile is the only carrier to also sell it at msrp of 820. 

 

 

Personally i didnt mind the $600-$700 range phones were at and i would pick one up almost every year but  with taxes included and such many phones are past $900 and approaching $1000. 

[Thony]

Didnt Linus, Luke or James mention that Iphone X is Apples most profiting phone so far in their last or previouis Wan show ? I swear I heard someone say this.

[Kamjam21xx]

7 hours ago, mr moose said:

Not sure if it's worth doing a review on a software package that fell from grace 7 years ago.

 

https://www.provideocoalition.com/do-professional-editors-care-about-fcpx-anymore-the-backlash/

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/01/video-pros-apple-needs-to-acknowledge-the-pro-industry-and-fast/

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/04/why-final-cut-pro-x-is-sending-me-back-to-avid/

http://tubularinsights.com/final-cut-pro-x-backlash/

https://motionarray.com/blog/is-final-cut-pro-dead

 

And looks like it might only just be starting to get market share back from Adobe now:

https://www.techradar.com/reviews/apple-final-cut-pro-x-104

 

And for professionals to be able to use it legally they technically have to buy apple computers or they violate copyright law (like using a pirated version off windows). 

You can legally download, crack, and use softwares that arent sold anymore. 

 

So i wonder how that would fit in.

[TacoSenpai]

I mean the other topic would be how much of us REALLLY NEED a $1000 smartphone.  I mean even if you like iOS imessage or those apple things then you can get a perfectly fine working older iphone and have it work just fine and do all the smartphone things you need it to.

[LAwLz]

8 hours ago, MyName13 said:

Now that someone's mentioned snapdragon 4xx, I've found out that every snapdragon series (since 2013/14) has octa core CPUs (some cheaper 6xx probably have hexa cores), what are the most notable differences between all these series then?

7 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

Core count, frequency and the GPU.

There is also a massive difference in CPU architecture.

Here is a die shot of the Snapdragon 845. As you can see, the "Kryo Gold" cluster has cores that are almost twice the size of the cores in the "Kryo Silver" cluster.

 

The gold cores are based on the Cortex A75 architecture. They are big, powerful and power hungry.

The silver cores are based on the Cortex A55 architecture. They are small, quite weak but energy efficient.

 

A lot of the lower end SoCs have 8 silver cores, while the high end chips mix small and large cores.

 

[Cheezdoodlez]

2 hours ago, Kamjam21xx said:

You can legally download, crack, and use softwares that arent sold anymore. 

 

So i wonder how that would fit in.

Do you have a source for that? Because I find your statement to contradict everything I've ever learned about copyright laws.

[Princess Luna]

You can buy a high end motorcycle like a Honda CB500F or an Yamaha MT-03 for the price of the iPhone X... like this makes no sense at all... smartphones all do the same thing.

 

Gaming in the phone? why not just buy a Switch if you want portability.

[79wjd]

4 hours ago, LordTaco42 said:

I mean the other topic would be how much of us REALLLY NEED a $1000 smartphone.  I mean even if you like iOS imessage or those apple things then you can get a perfectly fine working older iphone and have it work just fine and do all the smartphone things you need it to.

You're right, an older iPhone is just as good unless there is some benefit that you care about on a newer model. My Droid x was perfect other than the terrible camera/screen and lack of 4G. my HTC thunderbolt was perfect except for the terriblr camera/screen/battery. my Razr Maxx was perfect other than the slow performance after two years and the inability to send/receive messages properly after rooting and overclocking (and the terrible camera/screen). My 5s was perfect other than having too small of a screen (and an aging camera), and my 6s plus was perfect other than being uncomfortably large.

2 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

You can buy a high end motorcycle like a Honda CB500F or an Yamaha MT-03 for the price of the iPhone X... like this makes no sense at all... smartphones all do the same thing.

 

Gaming in the phone? why not just buy a Switch if you want portability.

If I want a small phone with a big screen then I'm limited to something like an iPhone X, 5t (which is out of stock, Ave not supported on Verizon anyway), s8, An s9, or a whichever Huawei(s) has the minimal bezels. If I really care about the camera then I'm limited to the iPhone or one of the Galaxys. So yes it's expensive, but the benefits far outweigh the costs for some people (myself included). I can also buy a car for a few hundred dollars making any smartphone expensive by comparison.... The argument that you can buy a used --insert big/random product here-- is irrelevant.

 

 

 

I'm not saying an X (or any flagship for that matter) is a great value or a must have for everyone (or even most people), all I'm saying is that there are valid reasons to but a flagship device.

[Princess Luna]

20 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

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I wasn't going to say buy used, I was going to say buy only once? You see a ton of people who buys a new iPhone every new generation (or any smartphone line up that you're into to) which makes about little sense as it makes switching CPUs every new generation.

 

If you need a product and something like the iPhone X is the only thing that fits your criteria then alright but this consumerism is not healthy at all.

 

I mean I do all on laptops and PCs so I know I'm not the best example, but I got myself a cheap smartphone by Lenovo which I only use it for Telegram/WhatsApp and occasionally music... and that's it... serves me more than fine enough... I have spend like 250 dollars my entirely life in phone... I don't even sign for a plan, I have it pre-paid SIM which i'll put 5 dollars credit once every 6 months just so my line isn't cut.

[mr moose]

4 hours ago, Kamjam21xx said:

You can legally download, crack, and use softwares that arent sold anymore. 

 

So i wonder how that would fit in.

no you can't.  That's what the biggest huff with DRM is for people who want to use unsupported legacy software.

 

 

[mr moose]

3 hours ago, LAwLz said:

 

 

Here is a die shot of the Snapdragon 845.

 

 

 

No it's not, that's an areal photo of Idaho potato farms, you can clearly see which fields have been turned for harvest as they are darker and the green ones are coming ready for harvest.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, mr moose said:

No it's not, that's an areal photo of Idaho potato farms, you can clearly see which fields have been turned for harvest as they are darker and the green ones are coming ready for harvest.

The Snapdragon 845 is a potato farm. 

[79wjd]

25 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I wasn't going to say buy used, I was going to say buy only once? You see a ton of people who buys a new iPhone every new generation (or any smartphone line up that you're into to) which makes about little sense as it makes switching CPUs every new generation.

A lot of that stems from people not understanding how their service works -- they think they basically get it for free, so why not upgrade. Others do it because they like to always have something new (and those people know they're just wasting money, but I can understand that... That techy in me would love to upgrade constantly, I just can't rationalize it).

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If you need a product and something like the iPhone X is the only thing that fits your criteria then alright but this consumerism is not healthy at all.

 

I mean I do all on laptops and PCs so I know I'm not the best example, but I got myself a cheap smartphone by Lenovo which I only use it for Telegram/WhatsApp and occasionally music... and that's it... serves me more than fine enough... I have spend like 250 dollars my entirely life in phone... I don't even sign for a plan, I have it pre-paid SIM which i'll put 5 dollars credit once every 6 months just so my line isn't cut.

That's kind of the problem with this forum though, the type of people who use this forum DO use a computer heavily and there phone much less whereas many people are the other way around. That's not to say that either is wrong, just that most people around here view smartphones differently than society and then calls society stupid for essentially having different priorities stemming from different use cases. I personally use both heavily, but I use my phone almost exclusively for internet browsing, texting, and light games like solitaire (eg nothing intensive and no videos), so aspect ratio doesn't affect me, nor does compute power, but screen space, comfort level, camera, and cross platform integration do.

[Techstorm970]

On 4/22/2018 at 2:28 PM, AresKrieger said:

Either way a 1000 dollar phone should not sell like it does, people are weird from my perspective

Agreed.  I've known some people who think of phones as status symbols, as if a person with an iPhone 5S is somehow an inferior human being because they haven't upgraded yet.  I got bullied by those same people because I had an iPhone SE, and the 7 had just come out!!!  Cheezits, just let me enjoy my phone!

 

Seriously, status symbols are bullshit...