Folding Community Board

[Shlouski]

1 hour ago, Mxyzptlk said:

If I win, I'll only have money for Beans & Rice do to the power bill  

 

I'm applying for a grant at the end of the year to get solar installed at the start of next year. I was hoping to get a 100kwh system, but I'm told 100kwh for a residential home is not credible and I will only be able to get a grant on part of the installation.

 

Please give me a 10,000 euro grant guys, its for science 

[cbigfoot]

21 hours ago, Caroline said:

Hm. I don't like competitions, mainly because my odds are against anyone folding with 8x H100s.

yeah the only normal competition i have is between me @GOTSpectrum because we normally are about equal and is normally dependent on a system crash/hang to separate us...and @jctappel67 just because hes "local" to me and i MAY have bought a 2060 off him...at one point and during the covid event we where going blow for blow lol.  but i feel/pray with my new HW i have acquired for mining may leave them in my dust and will have to find new real competition...but if your going to be folding might as well join the event but thats totally up to you.

 

[Mxyzptlk]

19 hours ago, Shlouski said:

 

I'm applying for a grant at the end of the year to get solar installed at the start of next year. I was hoping to get a 100kwh system, but I'm told 100kwh for a residential home is not credible and I will only be able to get a grant on part of the installation.

 

Please give me a 10,000 euro grant guys, its for science 

100kwh for residential would be huge! (about 260 panels)  My home solar system in ~6.5KW (17 panels). Of course if I was folding when I installed it, I would haver upsized it just a tad 

[Shlouski]

32 minutes ago, Mxyzptlk said:

100kwh for residential would be huge! (about 260 panels)   My home solar system in ~6.5KW (17 panels). Of course if I was folding when I installed it, I would haver upsized it just a tad 

 

100kwh per day, so around 4000 watts an hour.

 

Its 30-40 panels depending on the panels, and 5 5kwh batteries, takes up all my roof.

 

This is a photo of a print out mock up of what it should look like,  and this is just what credible that I'm hoping to get the grant on, so a line of panels are missing.

 

As it's a cropped low res picture I think it's safe to upload. 

 

 

[Kilrah]

1 hour ago, Shlouski said:

100kwh per day, so around 4000 watts an hour.

That's not how it works, you're not getting 25 hours of full sun per day

[CT854]

1 hour ago, Kilrah said:

That's not how it works, you're not getting 25 hours of full sun per day

stops working on time machine

 

Yet.

 

continues working on time machine

[Shlouski]

2 hours ago, Kilrah said:

That's not how it works, you're not getting 25 hours of full sun per day

 

3 hours ago, Shlouski said:

100kwh per day, so around 4000 watts an hour.

 

I think you have confused what I'm saying. I didn't say my solar panels would produce 4000 watts every hour, just said that 100kwh is around the equivalent supplying 4000 watts all day. 

 

Kwh stands for Kilowatt-hour, kWh = (watts × hrs) ÷ 1,000

 

4000 watts x 24 ÷ 1,000 = 96 kwh

 

Believe it or not, when I asked my solar company to give me a 100kwh day system they also understood there are times of the day where there is less light, so they designed me a system that should under most conditions provide me with 100kwh per day. This means the the panels need to produce much more than 4kwh of power so excess solar power is stored in batteries, so the system delivers (varies with conditions) 100kwh per day, and as far as I know batteries still work at night.

[dogwitch]

going to be honest and frank here for a sec..

if i did not have to deal with a major health issue...

lets just say . i have 3 circuit for a gpu farm...(this was right before covid hit).

think on power draw for a sec on that.... no one would be in my class

[jctappel67]

14 hours ago, cbigfoot said:

yeah the only normal competition i have is between me @GOTSpectrum because we normally are about equal and is normally dependent on a system crash/hang to separate us...and @jctappel67 just because hes "local" to me and i MAY have bought a 2060 off him...at one point and during the covid event we where going blow for blow lol.  but i feel/pray with my new HW i have acquired for mining may leave them in my dust and will have to find new real competition...but if your going to be folding might as well join the event but thats totally up to you.

 

You're just lucky that I'm saving up to buy a house in September. Otherwise, I'd have already caught up. Well, that and the GPU shortage we're finally getting out of.

 

Just remember, I don't get tired, and I can't be reasoned with.

 

 

P.S.: I have officially moved to Shreveport (Ratchet City), Louisiana. This is as close as I ever plan to work and live to an inner city. Also, it's a bummer since I was hoping to buy @cbigfoota beer now that the pandemic is over (as far as I care), but c'est la vie. 600 miles is a long ways.

[Mxyzptlk]

18 hours ago, Shlouski said:

 

100kwh per day, so around 4000 watts an hour.

 

Its 30-40 panels depending on the panels, and 5 5kwh batteries, takes up all my roof.

 

This is a photo of a print out mock up of what it should look like,  and this is just what credible that I'm hoping to get the grant on, so a line of panels are missing.

 

As it's a cropped low res picture I think it's safe to upload. 

 

 

Ok, total Kwh for the day, on the same page now. IRL I get peak out at about 31kwh.  That said, a daily total of 96kwh, is still a massive residential system. 

[dogwitch]

8 hours ago, jctappel67 said:

You're just lucky that I'm saving up to buy a house in September. Otherwise, I'd have already caught up. Well, that and the GPU shortage we're finally getting out of.

 

Just remember, I don't get tired, and I can't be reasoned with.

 

 

P.S.: I have officially moved to Shreveport (Ratchet City), Louisiana. This is as close as I ever plan to work and live to an inner city. Also, it's a bummer since I was hoping to buy @cbigfoota beer now that the pandemic is over (as far as I care), but c'est la vie. 600 miles is a long ways.

am closer to where your at then.

[cbigfoot]

10 hours ago, jctappel67 said:

You're just lucky that I'm saving up to buy a house in September. Otherwise, I'd have already caught up. Well, that and the GPU shortage we're finally getting out of.

 

Just remember, I don't get tired, and I can't be reasoned with.

 

 

P.S.: I have officially moved to Shreveport (Ratchet City), Louisiana. This is as close as I ever plan to work and live to an inner city. Also, it's a bummer since I was hoping to buy @cbigfoota beer now that the pandemic is over (as far as I care), but c'est la vie. 600 miles is a long ways.

well its cool lol im just glad its coming to an end...we think...i HOPE?!?!?!?! yep that is much further lol, but that is closer to where my bro lives in redstick.

[Captainmarino]

SOOOOOOOO close!  

 

[Lightwreather]

14 minutes ago, Captainmarino said:

SOOOOOOOO close!  

 

*Internet gets wiped of existance*

[Captainmarino]

I beat the snap! 

 

[Gorgon]

On 5/16/2022 at 8:51 AM, TVwazhere said:

As someone looking to upgrade from a 1070ti, this happens to be extremely useful information. 

 

Glory to Gorgon!

I've moved my 1070ti off BOINC and back onto F@H for a few days. I'm running it at a 150W Power-Limit, same as the 2070 Supers and 3070ti and will hopefully be able to collect multiple projects across all three cards for a better comparison on the yields.

 

I just don't get people getting all excited about reports that the Ada Lovelace GPUs having even larger power requirements than Ampere. It saddens me as someone that runs GPUs 12x7x365 and hints that they are having to push the power-envelope even further to show improvements in frame rates rather than looking at improving efficiency.

 

I know it's unrealistic but at some point with advancements in Process Nodes you should have high enough frame rates for reasonable performance and should be able to offer an energy-efficient SKU for basic gaming. Say something capable of 1080p 144Hz within the 75W power-envelope of just the PCIe slot. I guess that AMD & NVIDIA just aren't interested in this as it's not where the best return for the shareholders are.

 

iGPUs may eventually fill this gap but if a CPU manufacturer like AMD did this it would eliminate their lower tier GPUs.

[rkv_2401]

Hey guys, haven't been around for a bit. I recently moved abroad for my studies, and I was using my laptop to heat up the room I was in for a couple of nights - using Folding@home, of course. 70-80W isn't a lot, but it was just enough to keep me warm and cozy on a couple of cold winter nights.

[Gorgon]

On 5/14/2022 at 3:20 AM, Gorgon said:

Caught three slots running the same WU (p18202) and ran them all at the same Power-Limit (150W).

 

The 3070 ti is 38 - 48% more performant that the 2070 Supers at this Power-Limit on this WU.

...

Considering that a 2070 Super is 88% more performant than a 1070ti the generational gap between Ampere and Turing is only about half of the gap between Pascal and Turing.

 ...

On 5/16/2022 at 8:51 AM, TVwazhere said:

As someone looking to upgrade from a 1070ti, this happens to be extremely useful information.

Caught a few more WUs for comparison.

The averages so far between the 1070ti, 2070s & 3070ti all at 150W Power-Limit;

GPU	Yield		Eff.	Value	Gen.
1070ti	1,439,799	 9.6	 3.0	 0.0%		
2070s	2,667,237	17.8	 4.7	86.5%
3070ti	3,887,798	25.9	 6.1	45.7%

Efficiencies (kPPD/W); Value (kPPD/Inflation adjusted MSRP US$) and Generational Improvement (PPD %).

@TVwazhere if you can find a 3070 at MSRP it would be a better buy than a 3070ti. In my market the only 3070s available were still over-priced still but the Asus TUF 3070ti was a better built card and only $48 more so I went with that.

[CT854]

On 5/12/2022 at 6:30 PM, Gorgon said:

For a medium sized (2070, 3070) PCIe3 x4 - Linux x4 - x8 for Windows (x4 ~ 5-10% decrease in PPD). On a 1060 or lower you might see a 10-20% drop in Windows on PCIe3 x1

Got three x8 to x16 risers on order. Let's hope they actually work as intended...

 

On 5/19/2022 at 12:01 PM, Gorgon said:

I just don't get people getting all excited about reports that the Ada Lovelace GPUs having even larger power requirements than Ampere. It saddens me as someone that runs GPUs 12x7x365 and hints that they are having to push the power-envelope even further to show improvements in frame rates rather than looking at improving efficiency.

Are people really excited? The reactions I've seen are less excitement and more, "wait, are you serious?" with mouths agape.

 

I am thankful to not have to pay for electricity, but I am limited by my apartment's circuit breaker and, well, I have to move eventually...

[TVwazhere]

3 hours ago, Gorgon said:

@TVwazhere if you can find a 3070 at MSRP it would be a better buy than a 3070ti it's just in my market the only 3070s available were all over-priced still but the Asus TUF 3070ti was a better built card and only $48 more so I went with that.

I just checked; all 3070's are also over priced, and within $100 of 3070ti's. 

Though, at these price points, I'm more likely to spend $700 on a new 3D printer so.... Budget

[IkeaGnome]

Got the quadros added to the numbers. About 680k PPD for a pair of m4000s.

[vsteel]

Little self promotion.   4 Billion points!!!!  Go me!!!

 

[justpoet]

On 5/16/2022 at 5:36 PM, Shlouski said:

 

I'm applying for a grant at the end of the year to get solar installed at the start of next year. I was hoping to get a 100kwh system, but I'm told 100kwh for a residential home is not credible and I will only be able to get a grant on part of the installation.

 

Please give me a 10,000 euro grant guys, its for science 

Are you going to (or even allowed to) do the purchase and install yourself?  Or do you have to use a solar company?

Doing it yourself makes that 10k go a LOT further.

 

My 10 panel west facing array of 60 cell panels with shading gives me 14-20kwh per day during summer (315w panels, 295w microinverters).

My new 12 panel south facing array of 72 cell panels that should finally be complete (way behind schedule...thanks supply chain) this year should produce a bit more than double that (420w panels, 366w microinverters).

 

During day time, I'm regularly above 2kW of output from the existing west facing array, which takes a nice dent out of the bill.

My original install was about $8k USD all in, doing it myself...but the quotes started at about $20k if it was getting designed and installed for me...even though my design is more efficient due to over engineering.  This second one will be around $15-18k all in, but that's because I'm WAY over engineering the large patio/shed structure that I'm mounting it on out behind the house on the hill, and also had to bring in some folks for "dirt" work (ledge rock is fun™).

 

It doesn't look like you have any shading to worry about, so you can get by with the less expensive string style inverters if you want to, without losing out on efficiency, though depending on the requirements for individual panel rapid shut down and isolation, that may not actually still be cheaper.

 

Batteries are interesting, and I want to add some here, but so far my neighboring states have battery programs and credits towards them but mine doesn't.  Here it'd mainly be for running off of solar during emergencies though, rather than firing up the generator, since I still have reasonably decent net metering and no peak shaving or ToU billing benefits.

 

As for your weather shot, it reminds me a lot of someplace I hiked on a cruise a few years ago...but that would both be awesome and suck for solar...since it was midnight sun territory.

[Shlouski]

1 hour ago, justpoet said:

Are you going to (or even allowed to) do the purchase and install yourself?  Or do you have to use a solar company?

Doing it yourself makes that 10k go a LOT further.

 

The grant is for 50% of the cost of the system and my system is quoted to be around 20,000 euro, but its unlikely I will be approved for a system this large, much more likely I will end up with a grand of 7000-8000 euros.

 

My next door neighbour and friend owns a large construction firm and he is the one who has put me in contact with this solar company, we both want to get are installs done at the same time to save a little money. We are having to wait until next year as there is a limit on the number of grants handed out during a year, so we have to get are quotes and applications done the end of this year so we can submit them at the start of next year.

 

My neighbour seems to have contacts and friends in just the right places, this likely helps a lot knowing Spanish bureaucracy.

 

Integrating the solar system into the original electrics at the box would likely have to be done by a qualified electrician, I don't know if it possible to do it yourself and get it certified after, anyways I'm not touching it 

 

1 hour ago, justpoet said:

During day time, I'm regularly above 2kW of output from the existing west facing array, which takes a nice dent out of the bill.

 

Nice 

 

1 hour ago, justpoet said:

My new 12 panel south facing array of 72 cell panels that should finally be complete (way behind schedule...thanks supply chain) this year should produce a bit more than double that (420w panels, 366w microinverters).

 

I think the quoted I got was for 540w panels, hopefully I will start with 20 and see how it goes. I would like to be able to do a constant 2000-4000w all day, so batteries make up a large part of the quote.

[justpoet]

1 hour ago, Shlouski said:

I think the quoted I got was for 540w panels, hopefully I will start with 20 and see how it goes. I would like to be able to do a constant 2000-4000w all day, so batteries make up a large part of the quote.

Make sure to look at the ratio of panel to inverter capability.  You want a little higher panel theoretical output than inverter output, to account for aging of the panels over time and to get a longer time span of production each day, even if you get a little clipping during mid day.