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[vetali]

17 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

So what? With their steep price id say it does not worth it for just one comfort feature...... Plus electric brakes are binary, they either locked or released, not ideal for starting on a steep uphill street.

Oh so now its a comfort feature...? lmao

 

Just now, Sarra said:

As opposed to the 2011 Subaru Outback ebrake? It won't disengage, regardless of what you do. Dealer I worked at bought dollies just to deal with those, it was a massive pain.

oof. Yeah I first experienced an electric ebrake manual in a type r. It releases pretty quick and worked well automatically. I've yet to have to do any repairs on electric e brake components at honda. Done plenty of cable adjustments and seen a lot of 9th and 8th gen accords rust up the parking brake mechanism and torch the rear inner brake pads. 

[Sarra]

1 minute ago, vetali said:

oof. Yeah I first experienced an electric ebrake manual in a type r. It releases pretty quick and worked well automatically. I've yet to have to do any repairs on electric e brake components at honda. Done plenty of cable adjustments and seen a lot of 9th and 8th gen accords rust up the parking brake mechanism and torch the rear inner brake pads.

Did Honda get screwed by the defective control modules, too? I think that was the big problem with the Outback. It's also reason #928 why I absolutely hate the big, chonky, Toyota-wannabe Outbacks. It's supposed to be a station wagon, so why is it bigger than your company's SUV offering? And wtf happened to the sedan version of it? >_> SOA is full of fail.

 

I've never worked for Honda, but I almost got a job at a parts department for one. They ended up moving to a new location, and job apps got lost in the process, during which time I moved to a different part of the state. >_>

[PandaCopyRight]

12 hours ago, Sarra said:

Does BMW even have a V8 anymore? I thought it was all I6 and V10's now.

they made only 1 V10 and then turned to turbo V8s ever since

[Sarra]

Just now, PandaCopyRight said:

they made only 1 V10 and then turned to turbo V8s ever since

Ahh. Well, shows how long it's been since I've been interested in BMW's offerings...

 

I still might try and fine a nice M5 with a 6MT. Or maybe a C5 Corvette. Who knows.

[vetali]

3 minutes ago, Sarra said:

Did Honda get screwed by the defective control modules, too? I think that was the big problem with the Outback. It's also reason #928 why I absolutely hate the big, chonky, Toyota-wannabe Outbacks. It's supposed to be a station wagon, so why is it bigger than your company's SUV offering? And wtf happened to the sedan version of it? >_> SOA is full of fail.

 

I've never worked for Honda, but I almost got a job at a parts department for one. They ended up moving to a new location, and job apps got lost in the process, during which time I moved to a different part of the state. >_>

Which control modules? We had a big string of accords that would throw about every B-CAN code in the books and shut everything with honda sensing down. We were doing BCMs in them, but now theres a recall for an update. We do a lot of multipurpose cameras. They shut down sensing, and throw a code that the diagnostic is pretty much "clear code and if code returns replace module". I think they get too hot in the summer and start messing up stuff internally because theres no active cooling on the camera unit. High dollar item too.

 

Other than that, not too much with modules. Mostly mouse damage lol.

[jagdtigger]

14 minutes ago, vetali said:

Oh so now its a comfort feature...?

What else would you call it when it disengages when you plug in the seat-belt?   IDK why its so funny, this is pretty much that is on the plus side for electric handbrake. Its just as easily gets stuck as their manual counterpart and cost quite a bit more. It just does not worth it.

 

19 minutes ago, Sarra said:

Well, you can thank Subaru for figuring out a solution for you: The Hillholder.

I know that system, i drove a few audi that had it but all of them were automatic. Never seen it in a manual car though (granted aside from my golf i only drove company cars and all of them audi). Its a nice thing but manufacturers ask way too much for it IMO. Especially since it uses pre-existing parts and its only a software feature.

[Sarra]

2 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

What else would you call it when it disengages when you plug in the seat-belt?   IDK why its so funny, this is pretty much that is on the plus side for electric handbrake. Its just as easily gets stuck as their manual counterpart and cost quite a bit more. It just does not worth it.

 

I know that system, i drove a few audi that had it but all of them were automatic. Never seen it in a manual car though (granted aside from my golf i only drove company cars and all of them audi). Its a nice thing but manufacturers ask way too much for it IMO. Especially since it uses pre-existing parts and its only a software feature.

The original Hillholder was actually all mechanical. There was a linkage hooked to the clutch, with a line lock hooked to the brakes. The brakes would stay applied if you were on an incline until the clutch was released. This was available from 1992 onwards, I believe. My family had a 1995 Legacy with it, it worked really well. It did require adjustment, and going from a cable to hydraulic clutch really made it difficult to adapt, but they did...

 

7 minutes ago, vetali said:

Which control modules?

The one for the parking brake. XD They would lock, then be impossible to unlock until the actual module was replaced. Repeat customers for that one were common, until they had a revised part.

[vetali]

1 minute ago, Sarra said:

The original Hillholder was actually all mechanical. There was a linkage hooked to the clutch, with a line lock hooked to the brakes. The brakes would stay applied if you were on an incline until the clutch was released. This was available from 1992 onwards, I believe. My family had a 1995 Legacy with it, it worked really well. It did require adjustment, and going from a cable to hydraulic clutch really made it difficult to adapt, but they did...

 

The one for the parking brake. XD They would lock, then be impossible to unlock until the actual module was replaced. Repeat customers for that one were common, until they had a revised part.

Nope, we have never seen electric parking brake issues.

[Sarra]

4 minutes ago, vetali said:

Nope, we have never seen electric parking brake issues.

It's a nightmare you don't want to experience, especially as the person at the dealer that has to push the afflicted vehicles into the shop on dollies. @___@

[PandaCopyRight]

12 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

Dont make me laugh, starting on that is childs play. Unless you were dumb enough to buy a car with electric handbrake......

Most electric handbrakes ... at least in Europe and Japan disengage automatically when you start moving.

11 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

If you service and maintain them properly age wont matter and they will work just as good as when the car was still young.

i mean those are still wear items and will degrade over time .... there is a reason why a clutch replacement is usually mentioned in service intervals

35 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

It also depends on the engine, small engines rely more on the clutch than big engines with lots of torque.

 

So what? With their steep price id say it does not worth it for just one comfort feature...... Plus electric brakes are binary, they either locked or released, not ideal for starting on a steep uphill street.

still the clutch gets used and will wear over time doesnt matter the engine.. .and if its a car used by a dumbass then the clutch will be fucked...

Just now, jagdtigger said:

What else would you call it when it disengages when you plug in the seat-belt?   IDK why its so funny, this is pretty much that is on the plus side for electric handbrake. Its just as easily gets stuck as their manual counterpart and cost quite a bit more. It just does not worth it.

 

I know that system, i drove a few audi that had it but all of them were automatic. Never seen it in a manual car though (granted aside from my golf i only drove company cars and all of them audi). Its a nice thing but manufacturers ask way too much for it IMO. Especially since it uses pre-existing parts and its only a software feature.

if your electric handbrake gets stuck then yu got a bigger issue and you need to fix your rear brake calipers usually as well m8

[arnavvr]

13 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

I guess steep hills combined with stop and go traffic would be an excellent way to destroy a clutch 

 

but that’s gotta be a pretty rare combination 

You just described the entire state of California. 

[JoaoPRSousa]

 

cAmRy eNgInE

[jagdtigger]

21 hours ago, PandaCopyRight said:

i mean those are still wear items and will degrade over time .... there is a reason why a clutch replacement is usually mentioned in service intervals

I think the "service them properly" part covers this .

 

21 hours ago, PandaCopyRight said:

still the clutch gets used and will wear over time doesnt matter the engine.

My point was that an engine that has more torque relies less heavily on the clutch vs a weak engine which needs longer "slip" period. Yes in both cases it will wear out but it will take longer with the strong engine.

[TVwazhere]

On 3/19/2021 at 12:54 PM, TVwazhere said:

The bridge will be left standing but I will need good incentive to cross it again after this. That's also means about $2600-3100 of labor is lost for my GF's car repair they quoted her; we will be taking that elsewhere (AKA my garage, but we planned on doing that anyways)

Update:

 

Spoke with the owner of the place (not just the manager) We ended up talking for over 45 minutes mostly about this, but about other things as well.

 

To clarify

1. It is standard for his garage to do test drives for NYSI and alignments for certain things like brakes and steering
2. It is NOT standard to drive 70mph (obviously, the only exception is if a customer reports an issue at that given speed)
3. It is also NOT standard to drive in the rain. A second strike I didnt even know existed for them.
4. Even though we both agreed this wasn't about money, he still gave me a credit towards my next inspection and mentioned he has much interest in knowing how my experience went after that, which I think I will likely take him up on even if that tech is still working there.

We also talked about the $2600-3100 quote for my GFs car, to which he countered (in a polite, well explained and considerate way) that some techs are paid by job, but all of his are hourly and are not incentives to find things wrong and if anything, let the cars go so they don't have to work (Thursday while I was there nearly every row was full and today there was two cars in, and no one was concerned). We went in depth as far as hiring process, how much cost it took to sink his alignment machine into the ground (a big bonus for lowered cars like mine and reminded me of @Real_PhillBert's sunken jacks he has) and we talked with another tech about things I can look at for fixing the parking brake on the Beetle. 

 

Essentially, he took my complaint very seriously. He didn't even ask to see the dash cam footage, he trusted every word I said without scrutiny or doubt and it was that relationship that's going to make me return at least one more time to see what progress was made. 

[Bitter]

Why is this so hard for people?

[vetali]

6 hours ago, Bitter said:

Why is this so hard for people?

c/s brakes are spongy

7 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

Update:

 

Spoke with the owner of the place (not just the manager) We ended up talking for over 45 minutes mostly about this, but about other things as well.

 

To clarify

1. It is standard for his garage to do test drives for NYSI and alignments for certain things like brakes and steering
2. It is NOT standard to drive 70mph (obviously, the only exception is if a customer reports an issue at that given speed)
3. It is also NOT standard to drive in the rain. A second strike I didnt even know existed for them.
4. Even though we both agreed this wasn't about money, he still gave me a credit towards my next inspection and mentioned he has much interest in knowing how my experience went after that, which I think I will likely take him up on even if that tech is still working there.

We also talked about the $2600-3100 quote for my GFs car, to which he countered (in a polite, well explained and considerate way) that some techs are paid by job, but all of his are hourly and are not incentives to find things wrong and if anything, let the cars go so they don't have to work (Thursday while I was there nearly every row was full and today there was two cars in, and no one was concerned). We went in depth as far as hiring process, how much cost it took to sink his alignment machine into the ground (a big bonus for lowered cars like mine and reminded me of @Real_PhillBert's sunken jacks he has) and we talked with another tech about things I can look at for fixing the parking brake on the Beetle. 

 

Essentially, he took my complaint very seriously. He didn't even ask to see the dash cam footage, he trusted every word I said without scrutiny or doubt and it was that relationship that's going to make me return at least one more time to see what progress was made. 

Thats good that he seems to care. Ground level alignment racks are big money. We were talking in discord about one of hoovies videos where there was a ground level alignment rack. Looked one up on our special tools program and it was over 20k.

[bcredeur97]

12 minutes ago, vetali said:

c/s brakes are spongy

Thats good that he seems to care. Ground level alignment racks are big money. We were talking in discord about one of hoovies videos where there was a ground level alignment rack. Looked one up on our special tools program and it was over 20k.

Holy smokes that’s expensive 

[AlwaysFSX]

7 hours ago, Bitter said:

Why is this so hard for people?

That there's for the dense air in the lines /s

[Bitter]

45 minutes ago, vetali said:

c/s brakes are spongy

Thats good that he seems to care. Ground level alignment racks are big money. We were talking in discord about one of hoovies videos where there was a ground level alignment rack. Looked one up on our special tools program and it was over 20k.

Shockingly, no. Just there for an alignment and complaint of 'you know when you turn too fast and it go skuuurrrpppp yeah it makes that sound when I'm just driving'. Yeah wonder why, both front tires toed out like 10 degrees. Inspected the suspension, all new parts but nothing greased and fittings finger tight. Eyeballed the alignment so I could drive it to check for other problems, found and wrote up stuff, customer declines, they shot their wad buying it, service writer busted their balls about actually coming back like they said they would. She's such a hardass, I love her.

 

Yeah an alignment pit would be kind of cool, we've gotten some cars on the ramps and onto the rack tho. The C6 racecar (like legit racecar) was cool. Owner pulled the front splitter off to clear onto the rack. Owner hates that I can get in and out of the race seat without pulling the steering wheel! My own car just clears the ramps and jacks and just clears the lift arms in the shop. It just clears almost everything. It's almost Celica season, one more rainy week and then the roads will be cleansed of salt and I'm good to drive.

[Hackentosher]

I've waited six years on this forum to join this thread. I finally bought my first car.

Spoiler

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[Virixiss]

"featuring my slightly baked roommate"

That boy jumped in the oven before it finished preheating.

 

Congrats though! Enjoy the freedom.

[MightyMishka]

My dream car/pc lol.

[atxcyclist]

11 hours ago, Bitter said:

Why is this so hard for people?

 

I'm so anal-retentive when I bleed brakes/clutches because it's pretty important, so that level of fail is shocking.

 

Reminds me of some years ago, had a neighbor with a Suzuki Forenza (?) that he couldn't get into gear. I walked over and asked what the problem was and decided to look at the vehicle. Clutch reservoir was bone dry, nothing but return spring pressure on the pedal, and there was some fluid under the car. Stuck my head down under the hood and found the bleeder screw, saw the lines went into the bellhousing, laughed and closed his hood. Told him I'd love to fix it but the transmission has to come off, so he'll need to tow it to a shop. I gave him the number of what I believe to be the best Japanese/Korean repair shop in town, knowing they would give him a fair deal and probably get the other maintenance items up to date for a good price. That poor car sat there for months needing a $25 part with $500 of labor in front of it, finally got towed at some point and I'm sure auctioned off. On a side note I'm glad my car has an external clutch slave cylinder.

[TVwazhere]

10 hours ago, vetali said:

Thats good that he seems to care. Ground level alignment racks are big money. We were talking in discord about one of hoovies videos where there was a ground level alignment rack. Looked one up on our special tools program and it was over 20k.

10 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

Holy smokes that’s expensive 

10 hours ago, Bitter said:

Yeah an alignment pit would be kind of cool, we've gotten some cars on the ramps and onto the rack tho. The C6 racecar (like legit racecar) was cool. Owner pulled the front splitter off to clear onto the rack. Owner hates that I can get in and out of the race seat without pulling the steering wheel! My own car just clears the ramps and jacks and just clears the lift arms in the shop. It just clears almost everything. It's almost Celica season, one more rainy week and then the roads will be cleansed of salt and I'm good to drive.

For Context the lift hole alone cost them $20k (this was an establish building they had to dig out, reinforce and add a drain to to prevent rusting) The result was super cool though, the lift could take a coil over slammed 30º camber civic if it needed to. 

[JoaoPRSousa]

The moment when you realize Bentley uses DCTs on the Continentals and BMW doesn't in an M car