NVIDIA skipping Volta for gamers? Ampere might be next!

[ignaloidas]

Just now, Bananasplit_00 said:

how about this amount of salt then:

Even WCCF Tech doesn't deserve that much.

[Bananasplit_00]

Just now, gabrielcarvfer said:

Intel is already using Curie, might give them problems.

i was unaware they were, what product has used Curie?

[Godlygamer23]

1 minute ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

Pascal is mostly just overclocked and tuned Maxwell, there isnt really a huger gain in performance per clock per core from my understanding, a bit like Kabylake was to Skylake

Pascal may actually be worse clock-for-clock.

[MoonSpot]

27 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Well it's not like Pascal, Maxwell, Kepler, Volta, or Ampere weren't noteworthy physicists..

Is this some sort of sarcas-seption?  I've trouble understanding jokes that break past the 4th dimension.

[Bananasplit_00]

1 minute ago, Godlygamer23 said:

Pascal may actually be worse clock-for-clock.

i know there was quite a bit of testing in the early days when it came out, maybe its closer now with better drivers? either way good to know  

1 minute ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

Curie was targetted to wearables market, using the Quark SoC.

thats interesting, didnt know they existed tbh

[SpaceGhostC2C]

51 minutes ago, Himommies said:

There aren't as many measurements named after pepole as you think 

Ampere, Volt, Watt, Jule, Newton, Kelvin, Pascal, Fahrenheit, Torr...

I don't know how many he thinks there are, though.

[PlayStation 2]

14 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

They're named after noteworthy dead scientists, not just "dead people."

They're still dead, though. OP isn't incorrect.

[Godlygamer23]

Just now, Dan Castellaneta said:

They're still dead, though. OP isn't incorrect.

OP is not incorrect, but it's misleading to refer to them as just dead people. They were significant individuals. 

[laminutederire]

1 hour ago, MoonSpot said:

Is this some sort of sarcas-seption?  I've trouble understanding jokes that break past the 4th dimension.

Would you prefer to Poincaré it up and go to the 17th dimension for jokes?

It just seemed to me that the guy didn't understood that actually Nvidia is naming their products around people who are famous in the scientific community, so it seemed noteworthy to point it out with a double negative!

[laminutederire]

59 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Ampere, Volt, Watt, Jule, Newton, Kelvin, Pascal, Fahrenheit, Torr...

I don't know how many he thinks there are, though.

You forgot the Linus. It's the unit for things being dropped.

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, porina said:

I'm pretty sure they'll get more complaints if they started naming it after live people

What, you don't want an Nvidia Bill Nye the Science Guy?

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, Godlygamer23 said:

OP is not incorrect, but it's misleading to refer to them as just dead people. They were significant individuals. 

Now, they're just dead people.

 

 

But the announcer for Jeopardy ads on the radio doesn't know that yet.

[Notional]

Would not surprise me. After all, Pascal was never supposed to exist. Volta is out right now with HBM, but since HBM is just not good enough and too expensive, maybe NVidia decided to drop Volta so they could focus on GDDR6 instead of HBM in a different architecture. Besides it looks like Volta was just a tiny architecture upgrade to Maxwell.

 

Maybe AMD can get their act together and be relevant in the meantime. 

[MoonSpot]

13 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

What, you don't want an Nvidia Bill Nye the Science Guy?

nvidia might not be able to afford using BNtSG name.  Think he's owned by disney now; one of the 2 companies with more money than god(s).

[PianoPlayer88Key]

Regardless of which name they use, I'd like to see large performance and efficiency increases on the next generation.  For example, a GT 1110 or 2010 (or whatever it's called) that has a low enough TDP to not even need heatsinks, should be considerably faster than SLI Titan Xp's or Quadro P6000s.

 

Yeah, I hear there are people that complain when "OMG I just bought a 980 Ti for $650 and now the 1070 at $400 is out and it's just as fast " ... but I happen to like giant performance increases each time I upgrade.  For example my most recent upgrade was from Intel HD 4600 to GTX 1060 3GB.  Another example for how big an upgrade I prefer: would be going from a card that gets 10 fps at 640x480 lowest settings in a 5-year-old casual game (like an older version of sims or hearthstone or something), to 120 fps at triple-monitor 8K at max settings (including cranking up AA & scaling) in like ghost recon wildlands, deus ex mankind divided, etc.

 

Nvidia recently has done better with GPUs than Intel has with CPUs (still on the fence about AMD's relative improvement but I think they've made a big improvement, not counting Vega) ... but at the rate the companies have been going, I would have to wait like 15 or 20 years for an upgrade big enough to come out for me to want to upgrade.  When I was younger back in the 1990s, improvements were happening a LOT faster.  For example my dad upgraded from a 286-10 to a 486-120 in a little under 7 years, and for about a third of the price, the 486 was about 70 TIMES (not percent) faster.  What CPU or GPU today is 70 times faster than one from 2011, for a third of the cost?

[Godlygamer23]

3 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Regardless of which name they use, I'd like to see large performance and efficiency increases on the next generation.  For example, a GT 1110 or 2010 (or whatever it's called) that has a low enough TDP to not even need heatsinks, should be considerably faster than SLI Titan Xp's or Quadro P6000s.

That won't happen. Passively cooled maybe, but removing heatsinks altogether? Yeah, not happening. The only thing that would cool it is the die cover, which is not enough. 

[dizmo]

2 hours ago, Himommies said:

There aren't as many measurements named after pepole people as you think 

fify

[Bcat00]

Meh, i highly doubt it knowing how a company likes to milk everything they can out of a lineup before sending it to the bucket.

 

Let's assume someone has a product they just developed that's even slightly better than the last gen, would you want to throw it away after spending a lot of money on RnD and staff wages?

Hell no!!

[PianoPlayer88Key]

8 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

That won't happen. Passively cooled maybe, but removing heatsinks altogether? Yeah, not happening. The only thing that would cool it is the die cover, which is not enough. 

GPUs (and CPUs) used to not need heatsinks, back in the 1980s and into the early or mid 1990s I think.  I wish the makers could figure out how to get efficiency good enough so we don't need them at least on mainstream units   Of course still provide mounting holes to put them on, so OC'ers can crank them up.  

[Godlygamer23]

6 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

GPUs (and CPUs) used to not need heatsinks, back in the 1980s and into the early or mid 1990s I think.  I wish the makers could figure out how to get efficiency good enough so we don't need them at least on mainstream units   Of course still provide mounting holes to put them on, so OC'ers can crank them up.  

They also ran at a much lower frequency and had significantly less transistors.

[elago]

2 hours ago, Himommies said:

Fermi was a nuclear scientist

Quite fitting, given how that arch turned out to be for them.

[leadeater]

55 minutes ago, Notional said:

Would not surprise me. After all, Pascal was never supposed to exist. Volta is out right now with HBM, but since HBM is just not good enough and too expensive, maybe NVidia decided to drop Volta so they could focus on GDDR6 instead of HBM in a different architecture. Besides it looks like Volta was just a tiny architecture upgrade to Maxwell.

 

Maybe AMD can get their act together and be relevant in the meantime. 

There are Pascal cards with HBM2. Volta isn't actually a big change from Pascal for anything not Tensor, it does make sense if they have any refinements to that part of the architecture to do so for the market that primarily uses it. Volta was mainly to release a Tensor product, no real surprise it might get skipped.

[mr moose]

I reckon they should start calling them after vintage steam trucks:

 

Sentinal

Foden

Leyland

Mann

Bristol

 

After what's the good of discovering atomic physics if you can't get your coal delivered?

[Dabombinable]

50 minutes ago, mr moose said:

I reckon they should start calling them after vintage steam trucks:

 

Sentinal

Foden

Leyland

Mann

Bristol

 

After what's the good of discovering atomic physics if you can't get your coal delivered?

Mallard

[Phentos]

Meh this doesn't surprise me in the least. Nvidia has no reason to release anything new for the gaming market, at least until AMD either refreshes Vega or moves on to Navi.

 

Huang was correct in his remark that Pascal is unbeatable for gamers atm.