Posted July 5, 2017 Quote AMD Radeon Vega Specs Confirmed - 1630 MHz clockspeed, 8GB of HBM2 @ 945 Mhz, 484 GB/s memory bandwidth The clock speed represents a modest 30Mhz improvement over the Vega Frontier Edition and the HBM2 frequency is identical to that of Vega FE which translates to 484GB/s of bandwidth. This, funnily enough, translates to 1GB/s of bandwidth per mm² . In terms of memory capacity as expected this board, which we expect to be the Vega 10 flagship in the RX lineup, comes equipped with 8GB of HBM2, rather than the exuberant 16GB of the Vega FE. To deliver 16GB of memory in two HBM2 stacks in the Vega Frontier Edition each stack has to be 8-Hi. 8-Hi HBM2 stacks are considerably more expensive and difficult to produce compared to standard 4-Hi HBM2 stacks which is why it makes all the sense in the world for AMD to opt for the 8GB option on its gaming Vega card, at least for now. Now, on to the bit most of you have been waiting for, actual performance data for AMD’s upcoming gaming oriented RX Vega. We’ll only be looking at the graphics score in this test, because that’s what’s actually representative of the GPU’s performance. The combined score on the other hand is influenced, as the name implies, by a combination of GPU & CPU performance. RX Vega manages to score 31,873 graphics points, roughly four thousand points and some change ahead of the GTX 1080 and double that compared to the GTX 1070. However, the GTX 1080 ti maintains a commanding lead with over 38 thousand points, nearly seven thousand points ahead of Vega. It’s important to point out that 3DMark 11 graphics scores scale exceptionally well with GPU core counts. This is why we see the GTX 1080 Ti maintaining a solid 39% lead overGTX 1080 here, where in more realistic real-world gaming scenarios it’s ahead by a slightly more modest 34% and 28% at 4k and 1440p respectively. Putting the figures into perspective, the GTX 1080 Ti is ahead of RX Vega by roughly 20%. RX Vega is ahead of the GTX 1080 by 15% and leads the GTX 1070 by 35%. Keeping that in mind, we expect that similarly to the GTX 1080 Ti, RX Vega’s lead over the GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 could shrink in real-world gaming tests depending on the game and the resolution tested. Source:http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-benchmark-leaked-specs-confirmed-1630mhz-8gb-hbm2-484gbs-of-bandwidth/ If the 3d mark performance translates into games and if it gets the right price tag it might still sell well despite all the dissapointment surrounding the FE card. Intel Core i7 7800x @ 5.0 Ghz with 1.305 volts (really good chip), Mesh OC @ 3.3 Ghz, Fractal Design Celsius S36, Asrock X299 Killer SLI/ac, 16 GB Adata XPG Z1 OCed to 3600 Mhz , Aorus RX 580 XTR 8G, Samsung 950 evo, Win 10 Home - loving it Had a Ryzen before ... but a bad bios flash killed it MSI GT72S Dominator Pro G - i7 6820HK, 980m SLI, Gsync, 1080p, 16 GB RAM, 2x128 GB SSD + 1TB HDD, Win 10 home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 Can Vega beat the final boss: the 1080 ti though? CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1 Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync Desktop benching: Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 Uh, but the 1080 is running at 1607 mhz, and the 1080ti at 1481 mhz? who actually games with them at those speeds. And i imagine Vega won't be able to overclock as much as those two can. PC - CPU Ryzen 5 1600 - GPU Power Color Radeon 5700XT- Motherboard Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming - RAM 16GB Corsair Vengeance RGB - Storage 525GB Crucial MX300 SSD + 120GB Kingston SSD PSU Corsair CX750M - Cooling Stock - Case White NZXT S340 Peripherals - Mouse Logitech G502 Wireless - Keyboard Logitech G915 TKL - Headset Razer Kraken Pro V2's - Displays 2x Acer 24" GF246(1080p, 75hz, Freesync) Steering Wheel & Pedals Logitech G29 & Shifter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 Let's hope this gpu is terrible for miners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, RKRiley said: Uh, but the 1080 is running at 1607 mhz, and the 1080ti at 1481 mhz? who actually games with them at those speeds. And i imagine Vega won't be able to overclock as much as those two can. Those are the standard baseclocks dude. Nothing funky. Pascal Undervolting topic, get more out of your card with less power! Why high refreshrate monitors look better even without Freesync/G-sync in one image.Stutters, framedrops, "lag". How to provide detailed information with your "bottleneck" question, as well as a few solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 Because WCCF is a reliable source of leaks... (Big Vega will probably be faster than a 1080 though, just not quite a 1080ti). Please quote our replys so we get a notification and can reply easily. Never cheap out on a PSU, or I will come to watch the fireworks. PSU Tier List My specs Spoiler PC: CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K @4.8GHz CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S Motherboard: ASUS Maximus VIII Hero GPU: Zotac AMP Extreme 1070 @ 2114Mhz Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB Case: Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5 Power Supply: EVGA 750W G2 Peripherals Keyboard: Corsair K70 LUX Browns Mouse: Logitech G502 Headphones: Kingston HyperX Cloud Revolver Monitor: U2713M @ 75Hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 Just now, Majestic said: Those are the standard baseclocks dude. Nothing funky. I know, but GPU Boost makes them run quite a bit over the base clock anyway, so comparing the base clock isn't really a fair comparison. PC - CPU Ryzen 5 1600 - GPU Power Color Radeon 5700XT- Motherboard Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming - RAM 16GB Corsair Vengeance RGB - Storage 525GB Crucial MX300 SSD + 120GB Kingston SSD PSU Corsair CX750M - Cooling Stock - Case White NZXT S340 Peripherals - Mouse Logitech G502 Wireless - Keyboard Logitech G915 TKL - Headset Razer Kraken Pro V2's - Displays 2x Acer 24" GF246(1080p, 75hz, Freesync) Steering Wheel & Pedals Logitech G29 & Shifter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 Just now, RKRiley said: I know, but GPU Boost makes them run over the base clock anyway, so comparing the base clock isn't really a fair comparison. Who says they weren't boosting during the test? Pascal Undervolting topic, get more out of your card with less power! Why high refreshrate monitors look better even without Freesync/G-sync in one image.Stutters, framedrops, "lag". How to provide detailed information with your "bottleneck" question, as well as a few solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, TOMPPIX said: Let's hope this gpu is terrible for miners. It will be since it's using HBM. Intel i7 12700K | Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X DDR4 | Pure Loop 240mm | G.Skill 3200MHz 32GB CL14 | CM V850 G2 | RTX 3070 Phoenix | Lian Li O11 Air mini Samsung EVO 960 M.2 250GB | Samsung EVO 860 PRO 512GB | 4x Be Quiet! Silent Wings 140mm fans WD My Cloud 4TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 Let's hope Vega cards comes with an interesting pricing And...please fix formatting Desktop specs: Spoiler AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX Asrock Challenger Pro OC Radeon RX 6700 XT Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (8Gx2) 3600MHz CL18 Kingston NV2 1TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD Montech Century 850W Gold Tecware Nexus Air (Black) ATX Mid Tower Laptop: Lenovo Ideapad 5 Pro 16ACH6 Phone: Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro 8+128 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 AMD finally got their driver-related shit together, it seems. Adored's video on the shit that AMD is going through is really quite good: idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Droidbot said: AMD finally got their driver-related shit together, it seems. Adored's video on the shit that AMD is going through is really quite good: It's a good video from Adored, as he's been pretty down on Vega for a while. Or, more accurately, accurate to where it should line up. The main thing with the Vega FE is that is really seems like they rolled out an utterly Stable driver without any post-Fiji optimizations. Thus, everything runs, but the Gaming Driver for RX Vega isn't in there. So, the Vega FE is the worst-possible performance for the top-tier RX Vega, though it should come in higher with everything turned on. We'll just have to wait and see. Expect it to slot in right between the 1080 and 1080 Ti, if it does they'll put it at 599. If it's closer to the 1080, probably 499. At least for the top SKU. Or maybe they want to screw over Nvidia a bit and we get a 399 monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 Yay on the day my 1080Ti is coming. Didn't think it would be much of a threat but nice to see it won't devalue my purchase http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12139704 My Ryzen P State Overclocking Guide | Cookie Cutter Mid-Range Gaming Build (2017) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 25 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said: OCs like a god As much as I like AMD. Their stuff doesn't OC as well as the competition. With AMD its strong architecture or high clocks, pick one. My Ryzen P State Overclocking Guide | Cookie Cutter Mid-Range Gaming Build (2017) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 The problem here is that even if amd can match the 1080ti, all nvidia has to do is provide a significant increase from pascal. Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said: OC higher in the CPU department As much as I love my 1700. That isn't true. 4GHz hard ceiling for me. My Ryzen P State Overclocking Guide | Cookie Cutter Mid-Range Gaming Build (2017) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said: but the FX lineup still holds the world records. Hence, the lack of performance. 7 minutes ago, tom_w141 said: With AMD its strong architecture or high clocks, pick one. My Ryzen P State Overclocking Guide | Cookie Cutter Mid-Range Gaming Build (2017) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 I just don't believe these numbers. Unless someone can explain how halfing the RAM and boosting the core clock by 30Mhz can push performance so far ahead of Vega FE I'm sorry but I just don't see these numbers as being real. Linus said on last weeks wan show, Vega FE & Vega RX are the exact same die, sure there might be a few small changes but essentially Vega is Vega and basic physics tells us you can't magically make something out of nothing which leaves 3 scenarios 1) AMD is infact Hogwarts 2) They gimped Vega FE 3) These numbers are not real Which one do you think is more likely? Main Rig:- Ryzen 7 3800X | Asus ROG Strix X570-F Gaming | 16GB Team Group Dark Pro 3600Mhz | Corsair MP600 1TB PCIe Gen 4 | Sapphire 5700 XT Pulse | Corsair H115i Platinum | WD Black 1TB | WD Green 4TB | EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650W | Asus TUF GT501 | Samsung C27HG70 1440p 144hz HDR FreeSync 2 | Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS | Server:- Intel NUC running Server 2019 + Synology DSM218+ with 2 x 4TB Toshiba NAS Ready HDDs (RAID0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 I can smell the 400w tdp coming from a mile off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, Master Disaster said: I just don't believe these numbers. Unless someone can explain how halfing the RAM and boosting the core clock by 30Mhz can push performance so far ahead of Vega FE I'm sorry but I just don't see these numbers as being real. Linus said on last weeks wan show, Vega FE & Vega RX are the exact same die, sure there might be a few small changes but essentially Vega is Vega and basic physics tells us you can't magically make something out of nothing which leaves 3 scenarios 1) AMD is infact Hogwarts 2) They gimped Vega FE 3) These numbers are not real Which one do you think is more likely? FE is designed to work with two sets of drivers (well, one or the other at any given time, not both), so swapping between them would probably cause some issues. Let's hope this gpu is terrible for miners. According to some reviewer somewhere, Vega kinda sucks for mining because as already said, mining hates HBM(2). @Ryan_Vickers is getting about 32 MH/s on his Fury, whilst a memory-overclocked 390X can match and surpass that. USEFUL LINKS: PSU Tier List | F@H stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 1 minute ago, TheRandomness said: FE is designed to work with two sets of drivers (well, one or the other at any given time, not both), so swapping between them would probably cause some issues. That still doesn't explain how FE can barely match a 1070 yet RX lands somewhere between a 1080 & 1080ti? That's way to much of a discrepancy to be software. Main Rig:- Ryzen 7 3800X | Asus ROG Strix X570-F Gaming | 16GB Team Group Dark Pro 3600Mhz | Corsair MP600 1TB PCIe Gen 4 | Sapphire 5700 XT Pulse | Corsair H115i Platinum | WD Black 1TB | WD Green 4TB | EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650W | Asus TUF GT501 | Samsung C27HG70 1440p 144hz HDR FreeSync 2 | Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS | Server:- Intel NUC running Server 2019 + Synology DSM218+ with 2 x 4TB Toshiba NAS Ready HDDs (RAID0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 Just now, Master Disaster said: That still doesn't explain how FE can barely match a 1070 yet RX lands somewhere between a 1080 & 1080ti? That's way to much of a discrepancy to be software. Remember, it's AMD's day-one drivers we're talking about here The same trend that lead the 300 series to surpass the 900 series after a few months, just from drive updates. USEFUL LINKS: PSU Tier List | F@H stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, Master Disaster said: I just don't believe these numbers. Unless someone can explain how halfing the RAM and boosting the core clock by 30Mhz can push performance so far ahead of Vega FE I'm sorry but I just don't see these numbers as being real. Linus said on last weeks wan show, Vega FE & Vega RX are the exact same die, sure there might be a few small changes but essentially Vega is Vega and basic physics tells us you can't magically make something out of nothing which leaves 3 scenarios 1) AMD is infact Hogwarts 2) They gimped Vega FE 3) These numbers are not real Which one do you think is more likely? Drivers can make huge difference in how the card performs more so on dx11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 Just now, cj09beira said: Drivers can make huge difference in how the card performs more so on dx11 But from sub 1070 to 1080+ performance just from drivers? Also if it is driver optimisation then its safe to assume the FE will get the same boost, right? Main Rig:- Ryzen 7 3800X | Asus ROG Strix X570-F Gaming | 16GB Team Group Dark Pro 3600Mhz | Corsair MP600 1TB PCIe Gen 4 | Sapphire 5700 XT Pulse | Corsair H115i Platinum | WD Black 1TB | WD Green 4TB | EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650W | Asus TUF GT501 | Samsung C27HG70 1440p 144hz HDR FreeSync 2 | Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS | Server:- Intel NUC running Server 2019 + Synology DSM218+ with 2 x 4TB Toshiba NAS Ready HDDs (RAID0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Master Disaster said: That still doesn't explain how FE can barely match a 1070 yet RX lands somewhere between a 1080 & 1080ti? That's way to much of a discrepancy to be software. Current Vega FE drivers are Fiji derivatives. They seem extremely stable. We have no publicly available copies of the RX Vega gaming drivers. The Vega FE set appears to have none of the Polaris or Vega optimizations active. Raja has also mentioned them building an entire new driver architecture. But the biggest thing is the professional testing. In those, the Vega FE comes in just behind the GP102 cards, so the Quadro form of the 1080 Ti. That wouldn't happen if the performance just wasn't there. That's why the gaming performance is odd. My running theory is not that the Vega FE cards are "gimped", but they are fully stable drivers. Which means RX Vega will have fully stable drivers for all games. Then the optimizations can be rolled out with the RX launch and if a game has issues, there's a fall-back driver to work from. With the information currently available, that would logically fit together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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