NVIDIA Unveils GeForce GTX 1080Ti 11GB Graphics Card: Available March 5th for $699

[Humbug]

4 hours ago, Notional said:

Yes, and ROPS are part of the Vram interface like I said. I honestly doubt the Memory is cut down, it's only the connection to it that is. Unless it literally uses 11x1GB modules, which is not unlikely, but still odd.

That can only be done if you either sit on cards, ready to ship, or if the cards are just simple iterations of previous archs. Any huge innovational changes in these GPU arch takes time. Let's for the argument, say that high end Vega will be 20-30% faster than 1080ti. NVidia would have nothing to combat with until Volta, unless they make some frankenstein Pascal chip with bolted on CUDA clusters.

Being 100% competitive and synchronized with SKU's in this advanced market simply isn't realistic. However I do agree that AMD has been taking their sweet time. But Vega isn't just some iteration of Fiji, but a ground up redesign like Ryzen. We've seen the advancements made in 480 (tessellation alone ie.). Vega will be more than that, and it takes time. If people don't like NVidia's price gouging meanwhile, they can just vote with their wallets.

That's all i'm saying. They have had nothing competitive above the Rx 480 price range for far too long. They cannot let that happen again. Doesn't mean that they need to have the performance crown or be synchronized but they need to strive to have a full product stack that is competitive in some manner.

 

I know that Vega will be an engineering marvel and a technical accomplishment. But in terms of raw performance if they only land around pascal performance people will be disappointed.

 

 

 

[spartaman64]

inb4 it costs 799 when its actually being sold

[Notional]

Just now, Humbug said:

That's all i'm saying. They have had nothing competitive above the Rx 480 price range for far too long. They cannot let that happen again. Doesn't mean that they need to have the performance crown or be synchronized but they need to strive to have a full product stack that is competitive in some manner.

 

I know that Vega will be an engineering marvel and a technical accomplishment. But in terms of raw performance if they only land around pascal performance people will be disappointed.

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Indeed. However, I think a lot of it can be attributed to HBM. Fiji's architecture wasn't good enough (ineffective). Polaris changes that, and Vega will continue that improvement. Waiting for HBM2 might have been a delaying issue, or maybe it's getting such an impressive chip on 14 nm with a new interposer? Who knows. However, I agree with @leadeater that launching this chip outside of NVidia's launch cycles could be very beneficial to circumvent the "mindshare" @adoredtv is talking about. Of course, that can only happen if Vega is actually better than Pascal or at least much better in price/performance.

Again, the vast majority of gamers DON'T buy Titan XP's, 1080ti's or even 1070. For most people, a 1070 is very high end (being priced what 1080 should have been certainly doesn't help). After all, AMD regained 7%points of marketshare with 470 and 480 (460 too I guess).

[revl8er]

Now hopefully EVGA releases a 1080ti in the next 45 days so I can step up my 1080.  

[PSUGuru]

Wow, that's actually affordable. Here I was, about to purchase the GTX 1080 Strix from ASUS for 680$. If I drop another 20$, I can get a super-beast card.

[-BirdiE-]

10 hours ago, Droidbot said:

I can hear the salty tears of every Titan X owner in the sidelines

 

10 hours ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Titan X owners got screwed over hard. 

 

Not really. They've had this performance for 7 months now.

Are 1080ti owners going to get "screwed over hard" when Nvidia releases the Volta GTX 2070 (or whatever they call it) for 60% of the price in 6-7 months from now?

[Humbug]

1 minute ago, Notional said:

Indeed. However, I think a lot of it can be attributed to HBM. Fiji's architecture wasn't good enough (ineffective). Polaris changes that, and Vega will continue that improvement. Waiting for HBM2 might have been a delaying issue, or maybe it's getting such an impressive chip on 14 nm with a new interposer? Who knows. However, I agree with @leadeater that launching this chip outside of NVidia's launch cycles could be very beneficial to circumvent the "mindshare" @adoredtv is talking about. Of course, that can only happen if Vega is actually better than Pascal or at least much better in price/performance.

Again, the vast majority of gamers DON'T buy Titan XP's, 1080ti's or even 1070. For most people, a 1070 is very high end (being priced what 1080 should have been certainly doesn't help). After all, AMD regained 7%points of marketshare with 470 and 480 (460 too I guess).

The problem with Fiji was that it was unbalanced. Look at the chart. It had loads of stream processors and texture units, but ROP count is the same as 290x.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9390/the-amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-review

Hawai was in it's time a more balanced design.

 

[jaggysnake57]

looks like a good time to get a new card

 

[Notional]

Just now, Humbug said:

The problem with Fiji was that it was unbalanced. Look at the chart. It had loads of stream processors and texture units, but ROP count is the same as 290x.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9390/the-amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-review

Hawai was in it's time a more balanced design.

 

 

Yeah, it made little sense. But unlike Polaris, it also sucked at tessellation and rendered a lot of crap that never made it to the screen. The only thing fiji had going for it was HBM, which ironically became it's biggest problem since games easily use more than 4GB of VRAM these days.

[ivan134]

56 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

It is. But thats not a problem because how the new memory controler handles memory allocation 

Even without HBC, 8 GB hbm2 is not a problem, lol. That's just icing on the cake.

[Sephiroth]

11 GB of Vram seems like an exceedingly strange number. Not  that it'll be an issue in pretty much anything for the next couple years, but still.

[cj09beira]

2 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Even without HBC, 8 GB hbm2 is not a problem, lol. That's just icing on the cake.

it devs start using textures that you cant see the pixels on 4k we will need a lot of memory

[cj09beira]

1 minute ago, Sephiroth said:

11 GB of Vram seems like an exceedingly strange number. Not  that it'll be an issue in pretty much anything for the next couple years, but still.

its software/firmare limited 

[mynameisjuan]

Why are so many people saying Titan owners got screwed? Not only here but other news sites as well...

 

People realize that Titan owners have had their card and have been enjoying it for half a year right? Just like people saying people who bought 6900s were screwed because the 1800x is half the price when they have had the top of the line performance for some time now. 

[Sharkyx1]

10 hours ago, Droidbot said:

Thermi was fucking weird.. 

1.25GB cards. 1.5GB cards. 

192 bit bus gives you a memory capacity that scales 6gb 3gb 1.5 .75 .375

 

Memory chips were less dense in the Fermi days so the same amount of chip got less  ram

[-BirdiE-]

7 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

its software/firmare limited 

lol. That seems like a silly decision by Nvidia. I don't think anyone is going to be buying the Titan XP for the extra 1GB VRAM.

[cj09beira]

Just now, -BirdiE- said:

lol. That seems like a silly decision by Nvidia. I don't think anyone is going to be buying the Titan XP for the extra 1GB VRAM.

its also has more rops supposedly 

[-BirdiE-]

1 minute ago, cj09beira said:

its also has more rops supposedly 

Yeah. 96 vs 88... But if rops are what your after, you're probably better off buying two 1080TIs

[Coaxialgamer]

So actually 800$ for an actual retail card...

[dizmo]

7 hours ago, zMeul said:

mate, your post is empty

that's why I didn't understood

 

 

The S is bolded. All in the fine details my friend

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

The S is bolded. All in the fine details my friend

I'm tired, my eyes are fucked

you bold an S ... 

[Retro1989]

Will upgrade from my 980TI, got money burning a hole in my pocket so why not.

[Sauron]

why are we complaining that they were upfront about having 11gb? it's not like anyone needs 12 at the moment

[cj09beira]

Just now, Sauron said:

why are we complaining that they were upfront about having 11gb? it's not like anyone needs 12 at the moment

the question is why do it 

[AntonChigurh]

Press F to pay respects to everyone who bought the normal 1080 and every Titan X owner