Nvidia adds telemetry to Geforce experience its latest drivers (Update)

[DXMember]

wow... talk about not reading EULA...

that's some next gen bullshit in there..

I wouldn't mind the telemetry especially not if it was a checkbox during installation or something... but the stuff that's on that EULA/Privacy Policy??? that's just absurd, wtf... they basically own you

[Bananasplit_00]

11 hours ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

*looks to right through case window at RX 480*

*looks at AMD Crimson icon in taskbar*

*smiles*

*looks down under desk at computer without a sidepanel, trying to see GTX 970*

*fails because the massive air cooler is in the way and just sees the faint glow of the Windforce logo*

*looks at Geforce experience logo on desktop*

*follows the guide*

*smiles*

[Dabombinable]

1 minute ago, DXMember said:

wow... talk about not reading EULA...

that's some next gen bullshit in there..

I wouldn't mind the telemetry especially not if it was a checkbox during installation or something... but the stuff that's on that EULA/Privacy Policy??? that's just absurd, wtf... they basically own you 

Problem is-its difficult so see whether or not its truly not enabled if there is an option-its similar to the telementary problems with Windows 10-though that can be disabled during installation (however, the link you have to click to do so needs to be looked for).

[DXMember]

1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

Problem is-its difficult so see whether or not its truly not enabled if there is an option-its similar to the telementary problems with Windows 10-though that can be disabled during installation (however, the link you have to click to do so needs to be looked for).

the telemetry is nothing, usually it just collects logs and performance metrics

 

but the shit that's on the privacy policy - did you read the OP??? They're literally saying that they own you as soon as you step out of the store, sharing e-mails and IP's with ad services and resellers the hell?

Under those conditions they might as well log your porn sessions and contact your relatives with live feed of you doing your stuff in front of your stuff

or harnessing your bodyparts for black market

 

seriously... that should be reported to FTC and they should be fined for that shit.. if that's actually their privacy policy

They're supposed to be making and selling hardware not profiting from intel on their customers

[Misanthrope]

5 hours ago, Notional said:

Nice NVidia propaganda. Good thing AMD is eating away at NVidia's market atm.

AMD doesn't suck, people are just blind fanboys. It's really sad to see people auto choose 1060, 970, etc. when the alternative is usually better (or a LOT better).

It is a good thing. That's what I've been saying, that's why I demand AMD to do better than the recent past. Unfortunately it takes more than having the upper hand in some case scenarios. Yes it's depressing that people won't change their minds right away and say "Oh fuck the 1060 actually being faster on 7 out of every 10 games I play while using less power and having less supply problems, Give me red!"

 

But yeah it's actually going to take even more than the few DX12 games where it's equal or better or eventually getting driver support up to part (Don't forget you're speaking to a 290x owner I know for a fact the card crept up it's original numbers quite a bit once drivers got there but took over a year after launch of optimization) 

[jagdtigger]

14 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Problem is-its difficult so see whether or not its truly not enabled if there is an option-its similar to the telementary problems with Windows 10-though that can be disabled during installation (however, the link you have to click to do so needs to be looked for).

You cant :

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/02/microsoft-confirms-unstoppable-windows-10-tracking/#1df73fcc2f4a

[Shahnewaz]

57 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

A company gathering personal information regardless of intentions is still gathering personal information. What if AMD gets hacked and their database gets dumped?

That's a less of an issue than a company that is willing to share your personal information with 3rd parties without your consent.

Hacking and security breach is out of both companies' control. Using that as an argument is really finding excuses.

[AlTech]

4 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

it's not M$ doing it

It's a freaking graphics driver. Not some program which probably needs the telemetry.

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Not some program which probably needs the telemetry

An OS doesn't need telemetry either.

[suicidalfranco]

12 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

It's a freaking graphics driver. Not some program which probably needs the telemetry.

It's a freaking operating system. Not some program which probably needs the telemetry.

[Dabombinable]

2 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

You cant :

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/02/microsoft-confirms-unstoppable-windows-10-tracking/#1df73fcc2f4a

Things change in over a year.

[Tech Inquisition]

4 hours ago, Shahnewaz said:

Hasn't this already happened?

http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidias-game-ready-drivers-will-soon-be-locked-behind-geforce-experience/

Nope...

 

 

[PocketNerd]

Here's AMDs stance on data collection.

 

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Our use of your information

We may use the personal information We collect via the Site for any of the following purposes:

• providing, developing, improving and personalising Our services and the Site; 
• registering you on the Site;
• providing you (subject to the Direct Marketing section below) with marketing communications;
• dealing with your inquiries and requests;
• generating anonymous reports about use of the Site and its features;
• allowing you to take part in competitions, campaigns, promotions or surveys;
• keeping you up to date by sending you Our newsletters; and
• considering you for employment if you have provided personal information pursuant to an application for a job with AMD.

Direct Marketing

We may use your personal information to provide you with marketing communications, such as newsletters or information about Our products and services, new launches, promotions and special offers.

We may send you such communications by:

• Email;
• SMS text message and/or any other form of electronic message;
• Push notifications; and
• any other medium which becomes relevant from time to time.

You can opt-out of receiving communications from AMD at any time by writing to the AMD Communication Preference Centre at memberservices@amd-member.com or by following the unsubscribe instructions set out in each of our communications to you. You may also opt-out by contacting us at memberservices@amd-member.com. However, We may still need to contact you in the event of a change to our Terms and Conditions, Privacy Policy, Cookie Policy or concerning an account you may have with us.

Looks to me they're much more reasonable than what Nvidia is doing, and since I was already looking at AMD for my next card anyway that's great.

[zMeul]

this isn't news, 4 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4qt8pf/geforce_experience_sends_a_detailed_log_of_your/

 

and something more detailed: http://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/2672-geforce-experience-data-transfer-analysis

[Hawx]

15 hours ago, Mattyd7829 said:

It clearly states that they allow 3rd party ad agencies and social media companies to collect information about your use of the website and that they combine personal information that they collect about you using these technologies. That is blatent information harvesting purely being used to make themselves more money. 

Have you read the LTT privacy policy?

 

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Ads appearing on our site may be delivered to Users by advertising partners, who may set cookies. These cookies allow the ad server to recognize your computer each time they send you an online advertisement to compile non personal identification information about you or others who use your computer. This information allows ad networks to, among other things, deliver targeted advertisements that they believe will be of most interest to you. This privacy policy does not cover the use of cookies by any advertisers.

Any website that has google analytics is using a "3rd party ad agency".

 

That cherry picking is also missing a key sentence:

 

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We do not sell Personal Information about our customers or users to any third parties.

 

[Fetzie]

3 hours ago, zMeul said:

this isn't news, 4 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4qt8pf/geforce_experience_sends_a_detailed_log_of_your/

 

and something more detailed: http://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/2672-geforce-experience-data-transfer-analysis

From what I understand, the telemetry is now in the actual driver, not the optional geforce experience software.

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, Fetzie said:

From what I understand, the telemetry is now in the actual driver, not the optional geforce experience software.

what that telemetry service actually transfers needs to be investigated

the service is called "telemetry and crash reporting"

[jagdtigger]

7 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

Things change in over a year.

Knowing how greedy MS is i dont think so...

[simson0606]

On 6-11-2016 at 11:55 AM, tlink said:

for fucks sake nvidia why you gotta do this.. i fucking BOUGHT your product, don't sell my personal information. guess i'll need to monitor your driver's IP calls and block EVERYTHING it tries to reach.

if they wanted, they could send the information via another application (look up atom bombing windows) But then the application should be considered malware

[tlink]

31 minutes ago, simson0606 said:

if they wanted, they could send the information via another application (look up atom bombing windows) But then the application should be considered malware

yea i know about atom bombing, but even with atom bombing they cant send out info to ip's that are nullrouted. they could send it trough tor if they really wanted to, or set up a p2p network trough every driver. 

[Carclis]

Wendell said the last 512MB of the GTX 970 was reserved for telemetry.

 

I think he might be onto something.

[Misanthrope]

Well the white Green knights like Jayz2cents are already appearing first claiming "Oh it's not important or personal data" and "Dindu Nuffin" then "Oh but everybody else is doing it!"

[QueenDemetria]

On 11/6/2016 at 3:54 AM, AluminiumTech said:

So they can spy on you and find out how badly your system is playing games.

 

Then they can serve ADs about the new GTX 1080

 

/jk

Considering how shitty my 750 ti, 980, and M4000 have been running on their latest drivers, I think this is actually true.

[Derangel]

10 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Well the white Green knights like Jayz2cents are already appearing first claiming "Oh it's not important or personal data" and "Dindu Nuffin" then "Oh but everybody else is doing it!"

Until someone provides proof to the contrary you can't say he's wrong. As of right now, it doesn't appear like the driver-level telemetry stuff is gathering any different information than what GFE has been doing since it released. It's something to keep an eye on, but not something to get overly paranoid about. People, as usual, seem to be severely overreacting. That said, it is rather shitty of Nvidia not to have this opt-in or at least have an option in the GCP to disable it.

[Nowak]

So Gamers Nexus analyzed the packets.

 

http://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/2672-geforce-experience-data-transfer-analysis

 

Basically:
 

• Data collected is literally just crashes, Steam Hardware Survey-level hardware information and debugging information
• All packets sent by GeForce Experience are to retrieve game artwork and Nvidia-defined configs for those games
• Nvidia does not share any information gained outside of Nvidia
• Data collected includes: GPU model and vendor, GPU clock speed/overclocks, monitor and display resolution, driver settings for a specific game, resolution and quality settings for a specific game, games and game clients installed, memory capacity, CPU specification and BIOS revision and motherboard. Basically, the same things collected by Steam's Hardware Survey.
• The privacy policy commonly quoted covers Nvidia's own website, but not GeForce Experience.

To summarize, they said:

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We will keep an eye on this, as there's always the possibility for more information to emerge, but we do see this as an issue blown out of proportion by mob mentality. You'll have more invasion of privacy just from navigating the internet and its biggest retailers.

So, basically, this whole thing is a massive overreaction.

 

Feel free to call me a Nvidia shill for posting this.