Tek Syndicate is Burning

[Exotath]

31 minutes ago, Gr0egercesg said:

Wait 200k?, jesus fuck. I don't think i would have left even if everything was gonna be ok, thats a lot of money and realistically they've known each other how long?

 

Yea that number seems a bit hyperbolic. Unless you get fired from such a position then "leaving" makes sense.

[Yoinkerman]

9 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

Agreed. A lan party is extremely simple. S'long as if youre using one router that its arp table can support all the machines you want, its literal plug and play for a lan party. Anyone who says otherwise doesnt know much about networking. 

 

@Misanthrope While your post on specialized networking is correct, it doesnt apply to setting up a lan party. And if someone did go through the effort of using managed switches then I'm not sure what to say.  

You can't use dumb equipment nor consumer routers for several hundred power users.  They'll just get destroyed.

 

Lan Syndicate wasn't a handful of guys in a basement 

[Tomsen]

6 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Managed switches for large buildings do not work that way: most don't even use DHCP and have to be manually asigned subnets, ips, the works.

 

Yes wireless is important I can give you that, however this is a symptom of a much bigger discussion which is how the IT industry wants highly specialized staff and wants several different network specialists: one that deals with switches. One that deals with the wireless part. Another one for load balancing, etc. It is entirely possible for someone to have a lot of very specific knowledge, hell people build careers about the fact that they know how to manage Cisco equipment specifically and are certified only for said equipment and nothing else.

 

This is even worst when you get to other areas like ERPs and such but it's still very prevalent. I think that having a lot of expertice in only one area is just a byproduct of this, doeesn't makes you an "idiot" it just means you have a specialization which as I said is commonplace.

Well, in case of plug-and-play I think he was referring to layer 2 switch (unmanaged switch). And all that is the least of your worries when doing enterprise network setup.

 

If you are hiring specialized network people for each area of networking, 99% of the time, they are managing a huge network, with multiple sites/domains and much more.

Yeah, it is possible for one to build their carrier around a certain technology, but been completely illiterate on other subject that is so closely related is often not seen.

 

Also, who would hire a so-called home-schooled network boy in this day and age to do specialized networking work?

[SurvivorNVL]

Just now, TidaLWaveZ said:

 

You're probably spot on then, sounds pretty rural.

There's some towns in Tennessee that're really close to like Chattanooga, rural, can get hundreds of acres for cheap + access to gigabit internet.  Some have creeks and small rivers running through them with slight view of mountains, and others are just in a flat area with trees and a creek or two.  Can get a lot of land for cheap and also gigabit to ten gigabit municipal fiber.   Tennessee is great, but doesn't have the mountains I want.  Need FTTH in Wyoming.  Plus I've always wanted to see what Bison meat tastes like.

[goodtofufriday]

4 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

You can't use dumb equipment nor consumer routers for several hundred power users.  They'll just get destroyed.

 

Lan Syndicate wasn't a handful of guys in a basement 

Consumer router definitely not. But you can make due with dumb switches for sure. 

But you dont dont need specialized training or knowledge to setup a enterprise router. 

Hell you could make ypur own PFsense router for free and follow online guides. 

[David89]

15 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

Sure, setting up a lan is easy.  Powering it, and making sure everyone has reasonable internet connectivity is the hard part.  I'm guessing with your lan party all the heavy lifting was done by the school, you didn't need to aggregate several consumer isp drops and implement qos/traffic shaping while everyone pegged their connections, nor power several hundred computers, the wiring was already done for you.

 

Edit: don't forget the router you need to use is a pieced together pfsense box because commercial equipment needed for this is too expensive.

 

Not sure how it is in the US, but here in Europe, just setting up the Hardware isn't the hard part. The hard part is getting permission to do that, pay fees and so on - all that regulatory stuff no one ever notices. Being responsible for so many people is also something that springs to mind...there are fire extinguishers and security stuff, that has to be provided and so on.

 

I'm also not sure, why everyone is giving them such a hard time and why this has turned in such a bad mudslinging. Everyone needs to calm the fuck down and closing the forum is the only way to do that, because if not, this would be escalating more and more.

[TidaLWaveZ]

2 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

There's some towns in Tennessee that're really close to like Chattanooga, rural, can get hundreds of acres for cheap + access to gigabit internet.  Some have creeks and small rivers running through them with slight view of mountains, and others are just in a flat area with trees and a creek or two.  Can get a lot of land for cheap and also gigabit to ten gigabit municipal fiber.   Tennessee is great, but doesn't have the mountains I want.  Need FTTH in Wyoming.  Plus I've always wanted to see what Bison meat tastes like.

 

I've had a Bison Burger before, it tasted great but I don't think my stomach was prepared for it and it made me sick.  I think they have wild bison at Kentucky Lake, Mammoth Cave, and Big Bone State Park. I know what you mean about the mountains, I always thought the Appalachians looked pretty big when driving through, but 5 minutes in Colorado gave me a better perspective. 

[Unhelpful]

15 minutes ago, Tomsen said:

Well, in case of plug-and-play I think he was referring to layer 2 switch (unmanaged switch). And all that is the least of your worries when doing enterprise network setup.

 

If you are hiring specialized network people for each area of networking, 99% of the time, they are managing a huge network, with multiple sites/domains and much more.

Yeah, it is possible for one to build their carrier around a certain technology, but been completely illiterate on other subject that is so closely related is often not seen.

 

Also, who would hire a so-called home-schooled network boy in this day and age to do specialized networking work?

Layer 2 != unmanaged.

 

@LAwLz you have your CCNP R&S, do you not?

[IGJoe2192]

"We don't need no water"

[LAwLz]

46 minutes ago, Gr0egercesg said:

The furthest back i've seen him is TigerDirect:

I can go back further.

Qain and Logan from 10 years ago:

 

 

 

 

 

39 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Managed switches for large buildings do not work that way: most don't even use DHCP and have to be manually asigned subnets, ips, the works.

1) You don't need to assign switches IP addresses. Assigning them IP addresses is not even hard. It takes like 10 minutes of planning and 2 minutes of execution.

2) It was a LAN party... Switches can be complicated if you set it up in a corporate enviourment but this was for something that would be up and running like 2 days. You would not need to setup something like SNMP tracking and monitoring in that situation. It is more or less plug-n-play. I was not at the LAN party but I assume they did not use things like 802.1X authentication, right? I can't think of good reasons to use managed switches for a 2 day LAN party (and if you had managed switches laying around then I don't see any reason to configure them with anything but the really basic stuff).

 

 

39 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Yes wireless is important I can give you that, however this is a symptom of a much bigger discussion which is how the IT industry wants highly specialized staff and wants several different network specialists: one that deals with switches. One that deals with the wireless part. Another one for load balancing, etc. It is entirely possible for someone to have a lot of very specific knowledge, hell people build careers about the fact that they know how to manage Cisco equipment specifically and are certified only for said equipment and nothing else.

Fun fact, I am in the networking industry, and what you are saying is not the norm. Sure, if you got a company the size of Microsoft then having several specialists in different areas makes sense, but for small and medium size businesses you will not find one person only doing switches, one person doing only routers, one person only doing wireless and so on.

 

If Qain has specialized knowledge then what area is he specialized in? It most certainly isn't wireless, switches or routers that's for sure.

 

 

24 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

You can't use dumb equipment nor consumer routers for several hundred power users.  They'll just get destroyed.

Yes you can.

Cisco SG100-24 would be one example, but there are plenty more.

 

Of course you don't plug in all 200-300 people into the same switch, but you shouldn't do that even with managed equipment (would be a terrible single-point-of-failure).

 

 

 

Anyway, the only time I have seen Qain talk about networking he has sounded like a fucking idiot who just makes shit up. Just saying "I have met him when I set up a LAN party so I know he is legit" doesn't prove anything. In what area is he specialized?

[corsairian]

1 hour ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

Did they really forget they took the domain down?

From what I read Wendell hosts the server and owns it too. Maybe he took it down. 

[DXMember]

15 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

This started with Wendell blinking SOS in the last episode of The Tek in which he appeared (two weeks ago).

Doesn't Wendell blink SOS quite regularly?

I've seen it as a great troll, he's been doing that for years, correct me if I'm wrong

[Novasty]

Just now, corsairian said:

From what I read Wendell hosts the server and owns it too. Maybe he took it down. 

The forums are still up, Logan just redirected the IP address for the domain.

[Yoinkerman]

10 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

I can go back further.

Qain and Logan from 10 years ago:

 

 

 

 

 

1) You don't need to assign switches IP addresses. Assigning them IP addresses is not even hard. It takes like 10 minutes of planning and 2 minutes of execution.

2) It was a LAN party... Switches can be complicated if you set it up in a corporate enviourment but this was for something that would be up and running like 2 days. You would not need to setup something like SNMP tracking and monitoring in that situation. It is more or less plug-n-play. I was not at the LAN party but I assume they did not use things like 802.1X authentication, right? I can't think of good reasons to use managed switches for a 2 day LAN party (and if you had managed switches laying around then I don't see any reason to configure them with anything but the really basic stuff).

 

 

Fun fact, I am in the networking industry, and what you are saying is not the norm. Sure, if you got a company the size of Microsoft then having several specialists in different areas makes sense, but for small and medium size businesses you will not find one person only doing switches, one person doing only routers, one person only doing wireless and so on.

 

If Qain has specialized knowledge then what area is he specialized in? It most certainly isn't wireless, switches or routers that's for sure.

 

 

Yes you can.

Cisco SG100-24 would be one example, but there are plenty more.

 

Of course you don't plug in all 200-300 people into the same switch, but you shouldn't do that even with managed equipment (would be a terrible single-point-of-failure).

 

 

 

Anyway, the only time I have seen Qain talk about networking he has sounded like a fucking idiot who just makes shit up. Just saying "I have met him when I set up a LAN party so I know he is legit" doesn't prove anything. In what area is he specialized?

Clearly you're not interested in a discussion.

 

I'm out I have real work to do lol.  At my pretend job lol

 

Qain is good with copper infrastructure, not necessarily strict tcp/ip.  It's hard for me to elaborate on it.  Leased line, t1, hdsl,etc.  Not your school taught Cisco.  Dedicated circuit stuff.

[LAwLz]

2 minutes ago, Yoinkerman said:

Clearly you're not interested in a discussion.

 

I'm out I have real work to do lol.  At my pretend job lol

I am interested in a discussion.

Here is exactly what is going on.

 

1) I found this Tek Syndicate channel.

2) Their "networking expert" is saying completely bullshit things. It really sounds like he has no clue whatsoever what he is talking about. Not just that he is bad at articulating, but the things he says are just flat out completely wrong in the biggest possible way. Like saying 1+1 equals 5 or that the sky is green. He says these things with great confidence and boasts about how he should make an entire video about it.

3) People start praising him like crazy, saying that his knowledge is legit and he is great.

4) I ask for more info since there is a clear disconnect between how I interpret him, and how other people interpret him and his skills.

5) The only "source" I get is that he helped set up a 2 day LAN party, and then a bunch of excuses for why he might be knowledgeable but still say things which makes no sense.

 

 

I still don't understand how anyone can see him as anything but a clown, and I am asking for someone to explain it to me.

[FuzzyYellow]

14 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

They've already lost, they're just too stubborn or stupid to realize it.

 

Basically, the only way the Tek Syndicate company can survive now, is if Logan and Pistol quit publicly, and give over control to Wendell and Qain. Which won't happen.

 

The community will continue. We have our Discord server, and Wendell or Qain will start a new forum sooner or later I'm sure. I will definitely be there. I owe Qain my loyalty. He could probably be making 6 figures just working an IT job, but he took time out of his day to help some noob with a subnet masking school project. That noob being me (I still don't entirely understand subnet masking, it's basically witchcraft to me)

could I get a link to the Discord server? I'd like to stay informed on this.

[Tomsen]

26 minutes ago, JoeyDM said:

Layer 2 != unmanaged.

 

@LAwLz you have your CCNP R&S, do you not?

Whoops, my old networking teacher would be very disappointed, and would have me do all my CCNA all over again.

[Kelbor-Hal]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

So he knows how to use switches, which are plug-n-play? Wow... He knows how to plug in a cable!

Very specialized... He doesn't seem to know the first thing about routing either.

 

Can you please describe a bit more about how he is "specialized in network administration"? Wireless is a huge part of network administration.

 

 

 

Yeah I get that, but this is not a problem of "he just can't express it that well in words". It's "the only parts that isn't an incoherent mess are things which are the exact opposite of true".

It's one thing to be bad at putting thoughts into words, but it's another to say "apples are oranges, 1+1 equals 5, i peed my pants, dada booboo, I am so smart, I should make a video about this! The sky is green!".

 

It genuinely pisses me off that so many people in this thread are sucking Qain's dick because he really is just spewing bullshit whenever he opens his mouth (at least from what I've seen from him).

You must not know much about switches.

[ltguy]

wow people are ADD, how did we get off on this Qain credentials/lan party setup tangent?

[Tomsen]

2 minutes ago, ltguy said:

wow people are ADD, how did we get off on this Qain credentials/lan party setup tangent?

Some people seems to embrace him, others are wondering why.

[SurvivorNVL]

2 minutes ago, ltguy said:

wow people are ADD, how did we get off on this Qain credentials/lan party setup tangent?

Because AMD was an inside jo--waitaminute.

[Syntaxvgm]

Just now, ltguy said:

wow people are ADD, how did we get off on this Qain credentials/lan party setup tangent?

cause he says shit that makes people cringe. I've seen him make wendell cringe. Makes me cringe. Fuck, I'm a tech jack-of-all trades. I'm really good at some things, good at some things, and decent at others, and in a few subjects just terrible. And one of those I have a terrible lack of experience with is networking. Seriously. I know my way around, give me a while and I'll have everything running right, but it's a thing I don't have practice in and try to direct to others. But even I did a double take while listening to quain a few times. 

[Yoinkerman]

9 minutes ago, Kelbor-Hal said:

You must not know much about switches.

For an idea, we were using linksys 24 + 2 (or maybe just 24) enterprise switches at lan syndicate, and managed to brick one of the 15 switches and about a dozen individual ports with the loads we put on them.

[Trixanity]

6 minutes ago, ScootsMcgoots said:

Wait is Pistol a ladyboy?  I'm not joking this is a serious question. 

Feeling ashamed about all those hours of research?

[Syntaxvgm]

Just now, Yoinkerman said:

For an idea, we were using linksys 24 + 2 (or maybe just 24) enterprise switches at lan syndicate, and managed to brick one of the 15 switches and about a dozen individual ports with the loads we put on them.

say a couple hundred people are pulling from a file share at the same time......

 

 

wut

 

 

I don't understand, please explain. Networking is not my thing, but I've never heard of that, a heavy load bricking a switch/ports.