AMD accuses BAPCo and Intel of cheating with Sysmark benchmarks

[AresKrieger]

Cry some more amd /s, seriously though amd's whining makes me think less of them as a company, that and all the BS hype sigh I want to give you a chance amd but you continue to make me dislike you.

[LokiFire]

Cry some more amd /s, seriously though amd's whining makes me think less of them as a company, that and all the BS hype sigh I want to give you a chance amd but you continue to make me dislike you.

You should go off what is true and what is not, you are in no position to make that conclusion, you are a consumer, you can judge end products but not bench techniques... that shit is behind the scenes and most have no time or ways to test it correctly.

 

 

If AMD are indeed pulling the wool over our eyes then AMD be damned.

[Misanthrope]

Yeah like that's gonna make a big impact on their fucking 3 to 5 year old products at this point. 

[Trik'Stari]

Yeah like that's gonna make a big impact on their fucking 3 to 5 year old products at this point. 

Well, in 3 to 5 years when their products have caught up with today (2016), and the court system has taken its sweet ass time, they might get a neat little payout from this.

 

Think of it as corporate supplemental income.

[Arc_Jester]

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As other have said, this is about ZEN not their old CPUs.

[Misanthrope]

Well, in 3 to 5 years when their products have caught up with today (2016), and the court system has taken its sweet ass time, they might get a neat little payout from this.

 

Think of it as corporate supplemental income.

 

So kind of like an offshot of patent trolling and patent orcing: release a crap product and just blame reviewers, press, testers, etc. for it's failure to seek damages....That's a hole new level of stupid.

[Misanthrope]

As other have said, this is about ZEN not their old CPUs.

 

Oh even better: it's not even fucking out and they're already making excuses for it's lackluster performance?

[AresKrieger]

You should go off what is true and what is not, you are in no position to make that conclusion, you are a consumer, you can judge end products but not bench techniques... that shit is behind the scenes and most have no time or ways to test it correctly.

 

 

If AMD are indeed pulling the wool over our eyes then AMD be damned.

Eh, they tend to complain a lot so I've simply become sick of it, they need to completely overhaul their marketing and PR department as they are not very effective and seem fairly unprofessional, but keep in mind these are just opinions so it doesn't have to be objective just stating how I see it nothing more, nothing less

[Trik'Stari]

So kind of like an offshot of patent trolling and patent orcing: release a crap product and just blame reviewers, press, testers, etc. for it's failure to seek damages....That's a hole new level of stupid.

Oh even better: it's not even fucking out and they're already making excuses for it's lackluster performance?

Pretty much. Hell, they keep dicking around with APU's even though market studies have shown that APU's are in decline.

[Arc_Jester]

Oh even better: it's not even fucking out and they're already making excuses for it's lackluster performance?

WTF are you talking about, they are just trying to get as level a playing field as possible, If such a widely used benchmark is being bias then it will only hurt them.

[Ansau]

OMG AMD, stop blaming intel for humiliating you and move your ass to throw Zen and to make it enough good. PCMark 8 is such a bad benchmark that only fool people consider it as good. It stresses so little that anything can have a good score, and the fx 8800p can work at full speed since it only has to do writing and 2+2.

 

Like we could be fooled that the fx 8800p has a tdp of just 15w at full speeds, when it is a x4 860k running at 3.4GHz and a gpu similar to a r7 250...

Then, you search information, and benchmarks done by third people show the cpu being downclocked at only 1.3GHz, and the gpu moving around 300-500MHz because the APU already throttles to just move its ass out of the coach.

[NuclearPeace]

I don't know why AMD is so keen on defending the FX series still. Vishera may have been competitive with Ivy Bridge and then when Haswell processors at the start when they are a bit expensive, but even now a $120 i3-4170 can put up a decent challenge against a 8320. Sysmark may and proably is biased, but when FX chips are beaten by such a wide margin anyway, there isn't really a point in pointing out how one benchmark can be biased.

 

This doesn't inspire confidence in me for Zen. It makes it sound like they still have to scrap together some sort of reason or excuse to why their CPUs still can't perform.

[Fetzie]

OMG AMD, stop blaming intel for humiliating you and move your ass to throw Zen and to make it enough good. PCMark 8 is such a bad benchmark that only fool people consider it as good. It stresses so little that anything can have a good score, and the fx 8800p can work at full speed since it only has to do writing and 2+2.

Guess who buy the most computers: fools. The informed consumer for IT hardware is in the tiniest of minorities. All the typical consumer thinks is "this number is bigger than that number, therefore it is better" (while looking at the 4GB of GDDR3 on a GT630 that would struggle to playback BluRay footage without stuttering).

[Ansau]

Guess who buy the most computers: fools. The informed consumer for IT hardware is in the tiniest of minorities. All the typical consumer thinks is "this number is bigger than that number, therefore it is better" (while looking at the 4GB of GDDR3 on a GT630 that would struggle to playback BluRay footage without stuttering).

 

No, those are not fools. They would never buy AMD coz its not intel...

[azurezeed]

Well Intel can do everything they want with all that money

And AMD doesn't know how to present in a good matter their point

[Misanthrope]

WTF are you talking about

I think is crystal clear: product's not out yet, not even close to being out in fact. They're already claiming bias. Knowing their history of bullshit overhype, under delivering and overall making lots of excuses, it's a very fair assumption they're just scared they product will be a huge let down: best speculations put it on par with Haswell at which time intel will be 2 generations ahead.

[Doobeedoo]

It's rather really lame when cheating is involved in synthetic benchmarks, like c'mon do we really need to go so low?!
Either way, it all depends on what benchmark does at the time and of course real world performance will differ from task to task. We need to have independent and fair benchmarks, sad cheating will be everywhere in this world.

[Arc_Jester]

I think is crystal clear: product's not out yet, not even close to being out in fact. They're already claiming bias. Knowing their history of bullshit overhype, under delivering and overall making lots of excuses, it's a very fair assumption they're just scared they product will be a huge let down: best speculations put it on par with Haswell at which time intel will be 2 generations ahead.

Didn't you read the post? They're accusing BAPCo of being bias since the P4 era and if it is indeed true(knowing Intel it possibly is) it will harm AMD since they have a lot riding on Zen. As you said, Zen isn't even close to being released yet so why are you making speculations.

[Syntaxvgm]

I think is crystal clear: product's not out yet, not even close to being out in fact. They're already claiming bias. Knowing their history of bullshit overhype, under delivering and overall making lots of excuses, it's a very fair assumption they're just scared they product will be a huge let down: best speculations put it on par with Haswell at which time intel will be 2 generations ahead.

this is correct, however Intel DOES have a history of doing everything in their power to make tests skewed in their favor. 

And holy shit I can't wait for AMD 'graphs'

[patrickjp93]

There may be some merit in their accusations. This wouldn't be the first time Intel has done something like this.

Yes it would. The compiler incident with Cinebench was Maxon's fault. The judge was hugely incompetent in that case. And AMD is cherry-picking. Sysmark tests A LOT!

[patrickjp93]

It's the same company who partnered with internet trolls and racists, so yes I think they would, ha.

Huh? When and what was this?

[SurvivorNVL]

Huh? When and what was this?

Intel is sort of siding with FemFreq and a bunch of other rather.. er.. -fun- groups.

[kacper]

Intel is sort of siding with FemFreq and a bunch of other rather.. er.. -fun- groups.

And that is relevant how?

[patrickjp93]

Intel is sort of siding with FemFreq and a bunch of other rather.. er.. -fun- groups.

Eh, third-wave feminism may be pretty BS, but Intel wanting to support the cause of expanding the field of female engineers is hardly malign.

[SurvivorNVL]

And that is relevant how?

I believe that was the point Kloaked was making.  Intel has sided with them in full with both funding and endorsement publicly.