AMD - AM4 Socket is confirmed for upcoming Zen CPUs and APUs - CES 2016

[Sauron]

Once again, learning. Thanks for all the info. This will actually help me quite a bit in the future!

Although I have a question, are there boards that support both DDR3 and DDR4? 

 

not atm but it can be done

[Derpologist]

not atm but it can be done

Good to know

[Doobeedoo]

That's great! Unified socket for all their chips, no need for different types of mobo/platforms you can just change CPU by need.

[marldorthegreat]

Because the current one sucks and looks janky.

So when gpus were new, they were "janky" so we should have just stopped then. this is a really good thing, APU's will- be pc gaming in 20 years, we will move away from seperate gpus and cpus. 

[FloRolf]

TX3 isnt exactly a "miracle machine"...

shoulda gone for a Noctua N9DL

I, and google, don't know anything about a n9dl.

But anyways, cheapest noctua cooler is like 40€ and tx3 was around 15 so go figure

[Prysin]

The fact that they claim it will have 8mb of L3 cache makes me think the 8 core skews will be aimed at the desktop market - which means if the cores are as fast as intel's or close we might finally be getting 8 core cpus on the desktop at acceptable prices and without significant compromises elsewhere. Fingers crossed.

 

 

lga 1151 supports it too, what matters there is the chipset more than the socket itself.

 

 

I think it's a limitation of the motherboards we currently have.

no, the DDR3L limitation is specific to the memory controller.

 

DDR4 run at like 1.20-1.35v.... this causes some strain on the IMC.... DDR3 however can run up to 1.65V on the higher clocked parts (2400MHz and beyond). Which causes MASSIVE strain on the IMC. trying to keep 100% stable power delivery and clock speeds.

 

DDR3L however run at 1.35v MAX, which puts it at the top end of the "power usage" spectrum. This however generally caps you out at 2133MHz for DDR3L ram, as any clock speed over that usually requires higher voltages to get stable

[Prysin]

I, and google, don't know anything about a n9dl.

But anyways, cheapest noctua cooler is like 40€ and tx3 was around 15 so go figure

NH-D9L*

[MEC-777]

Thank you, AMD, for doing this. This was a smart move. Now people who start off with an APU or low-end CPU will have a much better upgrade path down the road. No more of this multi socket/platform BS. 

[VagabondWraith]

Good step in the right direction AMD. I'm hoping and praying that these line of products are successful and make a good dent into Intel's market.

[Nena Trinity]

And then there is little news about A10, they've launched A10-7890K.

 

 

Source: Legit Reviews, Hot Hardware.

 

 

I am so gonna get that A10! (my 860K wont OC on my crappy board I probably have to do a BIOS update?)

[SurvivorNVL]

Hopefully, this time, the higher Zen home CPUs aren't their gimped server/workstation CPUs.  The FX line was primarily just gimped Opterons with high TDPs and high wattage.  It's fine if OCing is your thing, but if they do that I want some single thread performance over the FX line.

I hope they are beyond Haswell-IPC and undercut Intel by a little in terms of pricing for their dedicated CPUs, but - my hype on Zen is very low, so hopefully it can be something that makes me hyped when it is released and all the information is out.  This AMD's make it or break it moment, so hopefully it's good.  Preferable scenario:  AMD gets bought by Xilinx or Samsung creates a pocket company here in the US much like Alibaba did, and takes control of AMD, injects with revenue, AND they have success in Zen--no fear for AMD.  The other scenario is if they fail - Intel and nVidia will cannibalize their assets, and we'll watch Blue vs Green.

[kameshss]

I am so gonna get that A10! (my 860K wont OC on my crappy board I probably have to do a BIOS update?)

I don't think so. Looks like it's a OC'd 7850k. Nothing great here.

 

It's not worth upgrading from 860k too.

 

Looks like you already have a 960. Don't get an APU when you have a dedicated GPU.

[Dabombinable]

To those complaining about AMD's cooler mounting system-its a damn sight better than having to get a new cooler for every bloody socket, and it means that you can use the same good cooler over and over again for years with each successive upgrade. I'd love to be able to use my Cooler Master Eclipse past LGA775. But can I do that? No. Whilst I could use it on all bar the oldest AMD sockets (thinking of installing it inside my Aunt's AM3 Phenom II desktop-its got the same stock cooler that's still in use on the FX6350, though it actually runs surprising quiet).

[SurvivorNVL]

Hopefully, if green takes them in they take in the CPU side too.  That way I can have a VooDoo and AMD with some R&D room.  I have a bit more hope with Zen than I did with FX.  FX I really only wanted to OC with, more than anything, but I needed the single thread room for music editing for my pagan metal band.  This is why Vash now has a 4790k over a 9370.  Zen, on the other hand, has a 32 core beastly server/workstation CPU that's like a new Opteron.  The rest, apparently, have single thread performance going into them over just multicore.  TDP and overall power/wattage design has been fixed as ARM has been working with them on that.  On top of that one of their old engineers, I think, came back to help make AMD what AMD use to be.  But, then again, we are taking AMD's word on all of this.  I've learned not to take the word of Intel, AMD, or Nvidia as they tend to lie their asses off a lot.  It's funny when they screw up to the point you know.  

I want Zen here tomorrow now.  Thinking about it.  Then we'll know if AMD will last, and we'll finally have no more speculation.  Speculation at first was exciting, and now it's just run on for so long.  It's horrific at times to think that we got to possibly wait until 2017 for Zen, eh.

[SurvivorNVL]

I'm more confused of why they're calling the workstation ones Zen too.

I wouldn't mind if they have it literally as one platform.  APUS, FX, and Server chips all on the same socket.  That'd be pretty nice, honestly.  People can just get the best motherboard available and start off simple, and then work their way up.  Or if you're me--get the best damn workstation board, and then work up from an 8-core/16-thread.  

[Trixanity]

I'm more confused of why they're calling the workstation ones Zen too.

Intel calls all their stuff Skylake/Haswell too. So it's not something new.

[marldorthegreat]

I'm no expert in this, but are there issues with memory controllers that support both (full sized, not the L skew) DDR3 and DDR4?

I wonder if ram overclocking headroom is lowered because of this?

To my knowledge there arent any chipsets from intel/amd that support both (full size) DDR3 and DDR4.

 

We'll have to see how this goes for AMD. imo zen is their last resort/only hope, otherwise they will just loose more and more money, and more market. imo, once again

No, there is another.

[marldorthegreat]

Hopefully, this time, the higher Zen home CPUs aren't their gimped server/workstation CPUs.  The FX line was primarily just gimped Opterons with high TDPs and high wattage.  It's fine if OCing is your thing, but if they do that I want some single thread performance over the FX line.

Intel cpus are gimped server cpus. 

[PlayStation 2]

Really? Another A10? Amd pls stop.

Tell me about it. Let's just get a 2.4GHz AMD A8 APU for the moment.

[ivan134]

I am so gonna get that A10! (my 860K wont OC on my crappy board I probably have to do a BIOS update?)

Why do you keep buying AMD CPUs?

[LokiFire]

Dat 36 core Zen tho.

[Nena Trinity]

I don't think so. Looks like it's a OC'd 7850k. Nothing great here.

It's not worth upgrading from 860k too.

Looks like you already have a 960. Don't get an APU when you have a dedicated GPU.

The 860K refuse to OC!

[Nena Trinity]

Why do you keep buying AMD CPUs?

Because they are cheap and can keep 60fps nicely and I only have a 60hz monitor!

[AresKrieger]

I'm surprise they are sticking to a10, I'm not sure what to think about that. (actually that could be for the same reason I stated below)

 

As for the keeping the same socket type across multiple platforms (server consumer etc) that is likely a cost saving option, though I'm not sure which market that setup will favor more, once again as always until they have a product for sale that we can see performance numbers for I remain skeptical.

[Majestic]

Really? Another A10? Amd pls stop.

 

But it's the fastest, EVER.

 

 

Because they are cheap and can keep 60fps nicely and I only have a 60hz monitor! 

 

Worst argument ever.