Cannabis Legalisation

[fruit loops are my kink]

And this is the type of shit that gives weed a bad name

if it was legal i doubt it would happen in the legal market. i doubt companies who think its dangerous would like to add any problems to it after realising its not dangerous. black market shit would probably still do it but i doubt it would happen in the legal market

[fruit loops are my kink]

What about dog crap mixed with hashish because thats a thing in europe too.

 

http://www.ukcia.org/activism/soapbar.htm

theres coffee made from monkey shit...

[zappian]

theres coffee made from monkey shit...

 

At least you are informed about it.

 

Do you think criminals are like " Hey we mixed my dogs crap with this".

 

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[fruit loops are my kink]

What about dog crap mixed with hashish because thats a thing in europe too.

 

http://www.ukcia.org/activism/soapbar.htm

also im not inclined to trust sites that have .org at the end of them. they dont always give good information

[fruit loops are my kink]

At least you are informed about it.

 

Do you think criminals are like " Hey we mixed my dogs crap with this".

 

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more reason to legalise

[JAKEBAB]

It would attract new people, but weed isn't being sold a gas stations like normal cigarettes...unless it is, though I'm pretty sure it's not.

 

It's not incredibly hard to access, obtain, or use weed right now. Anyone not doing it right now probably isn't doing it because they think they'll get busted but instead because they have no interest or they think it's bad for them.

I just wrote awhole thing then pressed back space and it took back a page so im not going into this much plus i can't even remember my point anymore lol

 

I think my point was there would be more people smoking which you agreed thus making POSSIBLY more drivers on the road. I wasn't trying to say lets not legalize it because everyone is going to die from high drivers (although seeing all these high drivers doing like road rage in traffic would be hilarious) it was just a thought that maybe we should think about the possibility of it having a negative effect in that sense.

 

It only happens because its illegal.

Cartels give two shits about your well being.

Exactly! the side effects from this bs is what the governments use as there arguments yet if it was government regulated we wouldn't have as bad of a problem. I really don't understand why they don't want to legalize it anyway the tax from this would be huge plus they know the untouched stuff is fine which they could prove to the public so all the soccer mums wouldn't all freak out.

[fruit loops are my kink]

I just wrote awhole thing then pressed back space and it took back a page so im not going into this much plus i can't even remember my point anymore lol

 

I think my point was there would be more people smoking which you agreed thus making POSSIBLY more drivers on the road. I wasn't trying to say lets not legalize it because everyone is going to die from high drivers (although seeing all these high drivers doing like road rage in traffic would be hilarious) it was just a thought that maybe we should think about the possibility of it having a negative effect in that sense.

 

Exactly! the side effects from this bs is what the governments use as there arguments yet if it was government regulated we wouldn't have as bad of a problem. I really don't understand why they don't want to legalize it anyway the tax from this would be huge plus they know the untouched stuff is fine which they could prove to the public so all the soccer mums wouldn't all freak out.

its hard to find an acceptable tax for weed though. as well as that, the tax would be optional because even though it would be legal, the black market would still sell it cheaper than market price meaning they keep customers as well as that black market is tax free

[DeViLzzz]

The boys don't like the idea of making it legal that is for sure.

[EarthboundHero]

and why would they spray it with glass if you dont mind me asking? it would seem silly to me if they did that because no.1 its would cost more to spray liquid glass aswell as more time preparing. and no. 2 if this glass thing is true it could kill users meaning they dont have customers. so unless im missing something here i doubt thats true to be honest. then again you might be being sarcastic in which case im sounding like a dick and apologise. and if you not then i'd like to know why they would do it please

 

Yes its a thing.

Here in Washington illegal dealers lace it with meth or other things to make people addicted. My dad used to lace his with cocaine (He didn't sell, he's just a drug addict). 

It would attract new people, but weed isn't being sold a gas stations like normal cigarettes...unless it is, though I'm pretty sure it's not.

 

It's not incredibly hard to access, obtain, or use weed right now. Anyone not doing it right now probably isn't doing it because they think they'll get busted but instead because they have no interest or they think it's bad for them.

 

Lets say that when (if ever) it is legalized who sells it? 

 

Do the growers get 'employed' so to speak?

 

Here in Washington there are stores just for weed. It's not sold gas stations or anything like that.

[DildorTheDecent]

Here in Washington illegal dealers lace it with meth or other things to make people addicted. My dad used to lace his with cocaine (He didn't sell, he's just a drug addict). 

 

Here in Washington there are stores just for weed. It's not sold gas stations or anything like that.

Lacing weed is for the most part undetectable(?) since it is usually the 'crystal' that comes of the plant. i guess if you want people to buy you're product...

 

I can't imagine a robbery in a petrol (gas) station would go well if they also sold weed. 

[EarthboundHero]

Lacing weed is for the most part undetectable(?) since it is usually the 'crystal' that comes of the plant. i guess if you want people to buy you're product...

 

I can't imagine a robbery in a petrol (gas) station would go well if they also sold weed. 

 

I honestly have no clue how it works, I don't do any kind of drugs and don't plan to. I just heard about it from my principal. In direct quote form him, "So, when you buy your weed, be careful who you buy it from." He was known to be stoner. 

[Meladath]

its hard to find an acceptable tax for weed though. as well as that, the tax would be optional because even though it would be legal, the black market would still sell it cheaper than market price meaning they keep customers as well as that black market is tax free

 

Pretty much every country in the world has tobacco and alcohol tax, when was the last time you bought "illegal/black market" cigarettes/alcohol that weren't simply smuggled through customs to avoid charges and were actually made in the country and could potentially be cut like most of the black market stuff for drugs right now?

 

There would still be a black market yeah, but even taxing it something like 50% would reduce the black market for cannabis far more than 50%. With a more reasonable tax I imagine it would almost entirely wipe it out.

[Keudn]

IMO if the drug doesn't cause you to act irrationally and harm others then it shouldn't be outlawed. if it causes you to be impaired (alcohol) in a way that can harm others then it shouldn't be legal, if it gives you the munchies (pot) then why the hell can't people do it?

[Bhav]

Marilize Legajuanna!

[fruit loops are my kink]

Marilize Legajuanna!

You are awesome!!!!

[mr moose]

Pretty much every country in the world has tobacco and alcohol tax, when was the last time you bought "illegal/black market" cigarettes/alcohol that weren't simply smuggled through customs to avoid charges and were actually made in the country and could potentially be cut like most of the black market stuff for drugs right now?

 

There would still be a black market yeah, but even taxing it something like 50% would reduce the black market for cannabis far more than 50%. With a more reasonable tax I imagine it would almost entirely wipe it out.

 

Australia has black market tobacco which is significant;y cheaper than legal tobacco products.   Froots is right, any tax on weed will simply keep the supply cost high and growers in business, so a low tax that makes growing it at home for sale is not going to be profitable enough to warrant the time and cost.  Thus the governments small tax will net them a higher income.

[fruit loops are my kink]

Australia has black market tobacco which is significant;y cheaper than legal tobacco products.   Froots is right, any tax on weed will simply keep the supply cost high and growers in business, so a low tax that makes growing it at home for sale is not going to be profitable enough to warrant the time and cost.  Thus the governments small tax will net them a higher income.

thank you :L

[DroPouT1999]

I'm personally hoping that cannabis get's legalised and i've been smoking it since i was about 13 (smoking most days), bearing in mind i'm coming up to my 16th birthday in about 2 months. I used to lack motivation to life in general, hated people, hated school, hated my family (i'm ashamed to say it but i did) and worst of all i was pretty suicidal to be perfectly honest but since i started smoking it my life has improved: A* student in school now, my hatred for people and my family has died and in general i'm a lot happier now.

I'm not saying it's all pros because frankly my memory isn't the greatest now and my eye to hand coordination has pretty much disappeared but that's all the bad side effects i've had. Personally i think it should be legalised for several reasons:

• I recently got pulled by the cops and i got searched.. they found about half gram of some nice weed, i was pretty sad to see it go, and if i get caught again i'll be in a lot of sh*t (criminal record, fines, therapy, drug tests and my house will most probably be searched and i don't want that). I've learnt my lesson though, if i'm going to break the law i best not get caught.
  
• I also personally believe it's better than most legal drugs, for most people anyway, it's relatively non-addictive (i say relatively because i've met people willing to steal money in triple digits from their family, this is what i expect from an addict).
  
• It would help fight the war on drugs that actually need fighting, like heroin and cocaine, especially in my local area as theres a major heroin problem...
  

That's all from me.

What about dog crap mixed with hashish because thats a thing in europe too.

http://www.ukcia.org/activism/soapbar.htm

I've also seen people make hash with car tyres, that cannot be good for you.

lol i jk but I completely agree with absolutely everything you said. It also makes it harder to take out loans, get mortgages and in some countries if you get a criminal record you cant leave the country. its bullshit in my opinion

It is, the cop that caught me the other day said that if i'm brought in again i'll have a criminal record for it and won't be able to leave the country and that'd ruin my plans to go to Amsterdam one day

[Omon_Ra]

• It would help fight the war on drugs that actually need fighting, like heroin and cocaine, especially in my local area as theres a major heroin problem...

It is, the cop that caught me the other day said that if i'm brought in again i'll have a criminal record for it and won't be able to leave the country and that'd ruin my plans to go to Amsterdam one day

 

 

Don't even bother with Amsterdam any more (at least if the mission is to get super baked) as they've changed a lot of the laws there to curb the pot-tourism industry. Better off just going to Colorado, Washington (state) or now Alaska. Washington, DC has legalized possession as of midnight February 26, 2015. Residents 21 and over will be able to posses up to 2 ounces and up to 3 mature plants in the home. No buying or selling will be allowed (because Congress is a bunch of dicks) but home grow is all I really want anyways. Congress has threatened some of the DC officials with being arrested if they go through with it, the Mayor of DC basically has said, 'IDGAF'

 

http://www.thecannabist.co/2015/02/25/dc-marijuana-congress-dc-mayor-warned-prison-marijuana-laws/30414/

 

Possession of marijuana will become legal in the nation’s capital, Mayor Muriel Bowser reiterated Wednesday, defying a threat from Congress that she and other city leaders could face prison time for implementing a voter-approved initiative.

[fruit loops are my kink]

Don't even bother with Amsterdam any more (at least if the mission is to get super baked) as they've changed a lot of the laws there to curb the pot-tourism industry. Better off just going to Colorado, Washington (state) or now Alaska. Washington, DC has legalized possession as of midnight February 26, 2015. Residents 21 and over will be able to posses up to 2 ounces and up to 3 mature plants in the home. No buying or selling will be allowed (because Congress is a bunch of dicks) but home grow is all I really want anyways. Congress has threatened some of the DC officials with being arrested if they go through with it, the Mayor of DC basically has said, 'IDGAF'

 

http://www.thecannabist.co/2015/02/25/dc-marijuana-congress-dc-mayor-warned-prison-marijuana-laws/30414/

DC would be my choice personally

[Misanthrope]

1) On the drug using countries: Several politicians profit greatly from the futile "war on drugs" So while there might move forward with pot for the time being other substances will remain illegal. They are also not completely immune to point 2 however:

 

2) On the drug selling countries: Cartel people are powerful enough to directly influence government for example here in Mexico. They can pretty much rig elections, block legislation and flat out kill government officials if they need to and have done so. It's easy to say "just legalize drugs!" but you wouldn't be as brave about it if you had somebody sending you pictures of your family telling you "Yeah you legalize it and I'll send you their heads on a box" to you now would you?

[Tim Drake]

Legalize Weed

Ban cigarettes

 

Job = done

[dalekphalm]

1) On the drug using countries: Several politicians profit greatly from the futile "war on drugs" So while there might move forward with pot for the time being other substances will remain illegal. They are also not completely immune to point 2 however:

 

2) On the drug selling countries: Cartel people are powerful enough to directly influence government for example here in Mexico. They can pretty much rig elections, block legislation and flat out kill government officials if they need to and have done so. It's easy to say "just legalize drugs!" but you wouldn't be as brave about it if you had somebody sending you pictures of your family telling you "Yeah you legalize it and I'll send you their heads on a box" to you now would you?

Countries like Mexico face a far more difficult time of that, because the Drug Cartel presence is a fact of life there. Other countries in Central and South America (Such as Colombia) would face similar problems.

 

However, in both Canada and the United States, it would be much easier. The US is (oddly enough) pioneering this on the state level, as discussed above. In Canada, it's been debated a few times, and a few of the parties stated that they would legalize it if elected (Green Party, and NDP I believe) - The Liberal Party is a bit more vague on their position. They would "decriminalize" it fully, but are vague about legalization. Sometimes they imply they want to do this, other times they won't commit to anything.

 

Which is a shame, because I think the Liberals under Justin Trudeau have the best chance of ousting Harper's Conservative Party this year in the upcoming elections. I don't think the NDP (New Democratic Party - they're kind of like Ultra Left wing socialists - but only sometimes) have a strong following right now.

 

I would say enough of politics, but unfortunately, a discussion like this goes hand in hand with politics.

 

Personally, I'm fully in favour of the following:

1. Legalize it

2. Tax it (trying to find that balance between low cost and high enough income for economic growth)

3. Regulate it (Similar to Alcohol and Tobacco laws - no sales to minors, strict health and safety regulation, etc)

4. Prohibit driving under the influence of it

5. Reap the sweet-sweet-smokey tax revenue

[dalekphalm]

Legalize Weed

Ban cigarettes

 

Job = done

Easier said then done. Despite the fact that there is absolutely no scientific or medical doubt on the harmfulness of cigarettes to yourself or those around you, people still love to smoke. There'd be an uproar if cigarettes were completely banned, and frankly, the black market for them would explode. There already is a black market for it (In Canada, you can buy a bag of 200 smokes for like $5).

[Misanthrope]

Countries like Mexico face a far more difficult time of that, because the Drug Cartel presence is a fact of life there. Other countries in Central and South America (Such as Colombia) would face similar problems.

 

However, in both Canada and the United States, it would be much easier. The US is (oddly enough) pioneering this on the state level, as discussed above. In Canada, it's been debated a few times, and a few of the parties stated that they would legalize it if elected (Green Party, and NDP I believe) - The Liberal Party is a bit more vague on their position. They would "decriminalize" it fully, but are vague about legalization. Sometimes they imply they want to do this, other times they won't commit to anything.

 

Which is a shame, because I think the Liberals under Justin Trudeau have the best chance of ousting Harper's Conservative Party this year in the upcoming elections. I don't think the NDP (New Democratic Party - they're kind of like Ultra Left wing socialists - but only sometimes) have a strong following right now.

 

I would say enough of politics, but unfortunately, a discussion like this goes hand in hand with politics.

 

Personally, I'm fully in favour of the following:

1. Legalize it

2. Tax it (trying to find that balance between low cost and high enough income for economic growth)

3. Regulate it (Similar to Alcohol and Tobacco laws - no sales to minors, strict health and safety regulation, etc)

4. Prohibit driving under the influence of it

5. Reap the sweet-sweet-smokey tax revenue

 

I agree that consumer countries like the US and Canada are on a much better position, in fact if they do in fact legalize they could forget about importing altogether and such. However remember that I did say that even they aren't completely immune to the trepidation of cartels though: Of course they are nowhere near strong enough to really threaten safety but they are rich and craft enough to influence legislation even abroad