Cannabis Legalisation

[PhilBoisvert]

If you don't mind me asking, did you start smoking when you were a teen? I've noticed a lot of my friends who started when they were in their teens, and smoked pretty heavily then, tend to have more paranoia/anxiety issues smoking later in life. Some to the point where they won't even smoke anymore. I have no scientific backing to this, only anecdotal evidence, but it does seem that a lot of the anxiety issues stem from heavy use in teenage years...which would make sense because that's when the brain is developing rapidly. Could be that the paranoia/anxiety of 'getting in trouble' as a teen is a sub-conscience thing that resurfaces later in life?

No I started at like ninteen. I started using it in higher quantity this summer.

[mr moose]

 

 

 

That can be said with a LOT of things. See: obesity rate. And maybe you need some sativas for early day sessions? 

 

 

If you don't mind me asking, did you start smoking when you were a teen? I've noticed a lot of my friends who started when they were in their teens, and smoked pretty heavily then, tend to have more paranoia/anxiety issues smoking later in life. Some to the point where they won't even smoke anymore. I have no scientific backing to this, only anecdotal evidence, but it does seem that a lot of the anxiety issues stem from heavy use in teenage years...which would make sense because that's when the brain is developing rapidly. Could be that the paranoia/anxiety of 'getting in trouble' as a teen is a sub-conscience thing that resurfaces later in life?

 

 

There is evidence that suggests that a person with a predisposition to anxiety, depression or psychosis that using marijuana can exacerbate the onsite and severity of said conditions.

 

As I have said before, it should be legalised, but it should also be controlled both in production and sale and there should be a significant education strategy in place for people currently using and considering using.

[Trik'Stari]

There is evidence that suggests that a person with a predisposition to anxiety, depression or psychosis that using marijuana can exacerbate the onsite and severity of said conditions.

 

As I have said before, it should be legalised, but it should also be controlled both in production and sale and there should be a significant education strategy in place for people currently using and considering using.

As someone who has known quite a few people with those conditions, I can honestly say that it's complete horse shit.

[mr moose]

As someone who has known quite a few people with those conditions, I can honestly say that it's complete horse shit.

 

Somewhere near the middle of this thread I have posted links to reviewed research. My opinion is not one I formed from anecdotal evidence,  but one formed from reading actual research.

 

EDIT: and you'll note, as someone who is moderately well educated on the matter I am still in favor of legalization.  It just needs to be considered and well planned. 

[Norman_the_Owl]

I think we should legalize weed just because we can't control it.

If we regulate it like alcohol we'll be relatively fine.

 

It just has so many uses other than as a recreational drug it would be pretty beneficial to legalize it.

 

 

Edit: And hopefully it'd kill off that annoying stoner culture

[Prastupok]

I think we should legalize weed just because we can't control it.

If we regulate it like alcohol we'll be relatively fine.

 

It just has so many uses other than as a recreational drug it would be pretty beneficial to legalize it.

 

 

Edit: And hopefully it'd kill off that annoying stoner culture

 

The biggest issue I have with that logic is that they have trouble controlling other drugs as well, sure not to the same extent, but it still is there.

 

If all pot is legal just to appease users, it won't be long before other drugs are being legalized for the same reason.

[mr moose]

I think we should legalize weed just because we can't control it. Not too sure this is a very good reason.  you could apply that train of logic to any crime.

If we regulate it like alcohol we'll be relatively fine.  Absolutely, for many of the above mention reasons.

 

It just has so many uses other than as a recreational drug it would be pretty beneficial to legalize it.

 

 

Edit: And hopefully it'd kill off that annoying stoner culture

 

Also agree we need to do something about the stoner culture, hippies need to stay in the 60's,   modern hippies need to be sent back there. 

[APrettyCoolWalrus]

Go ahead and let it be legalized, but I am staying away from pot. I'm already lazy enough as it is.

[NInety]

I'm a conservative, and I say legalize it. Either that or ban alcohol and tobacco because cannabis is not even near as bad as these other two already legalized substances. And let's face it, the Gov. might as well get some tax rev. from people smoking pot instead of them just getting it illegally.

[mr moose]

I'm a conservative, and I say legalize it. Either that or ban alcohol and tobacco because cannabis is not even near as bad as these other two already legalized substances. And let's face it, the Gov. might as well get some tax rev. from people smoking pot instead of them just getting it illegally.

exactly, the legal and corrections systems wouldn't be bogged down with costly trials and convictions let alone what it cost to keep someone locked up,  the police force would have one less pointless task to police and tax revenue will increase because drug dealers don't pay tax while registered growers would.

[RelentlessAF]

Why it should be legal: Medicinal purposes

What people who support it think will happen: Freedom to get high.

What will actually happen: Mass production into paper and rope with almost no possibility of recreational purchasing as well as massive movement by drug cartels to subsidize their depreciated value due to its legalization and massive migrations from Mexico ending the drug war there and filling the United States with drug cartels. Soooooo I'm going to say how it is is probably best.

[Omon_Ra]

There is evidence that suggests that a person with a predisposition to anxiety, depression or psychosis that using marijuana can exacerbate the onsite and severity of said conditions.

Key word there..

As someone who has known quite a few people with those conditions, I can honestly say that it's complete horse shit.

And there have been studies done, but like anything, it's not going to be good for everyone. If it's legalized nobody is forcing anyone to consume, but it gives people an opportunity to at least try and not become a criminal.

[mr moose]

Key word there..

 

 

And it's a very important key word, it does not negate the severity of the claim, and at the same time indicates the outcome is not an absolute certainty in all cases and thus indicates a need for evaluation on an individual basis.

 

I think a lot of times issues blow up on forums like this because such key words are misinterpreted (sometimes intentional) and that leaves the reader with a false understanding of the key message.

[fruit loops are my kink]

The biggest issue I have with that logic is that they have trouble controlling other drugs as well, sure not to the same extent, but it still is there.

 

If all pot is legal just to appease users, it won't be long before other drugs are being legalized for the same reason.

I see your point, but many other drugs dont have many (if any) major medical benefits. for instance CBD oil is currently used to treat some forms of cancer whereas cocaine or LSD wouldn't have that effect so i personally dont think it would go in that direction

[fruit loops are my kink]

Key word there..

And there have been studies done, but like anything, it's not going to be good for everyone. If it's legalized nobody is forcing anyone to consume, but it gives people an opportunity to at least try and not become a criminal.

Thats a good point you've made there. I know some people that cannot drink because it gives them migraines. Same way not everyone can eat chocolate due to lactose intolerance. While cannabis can be good for a lot of people it can also be bad for a lot of people. if it was legalised im almost sure it would never effect those people as they wouldnt have to come into direct contact with it. My mate has really bad asthma but sometimes when i do a hotbox, he just sits in the room and gets a little stoned because he enjoys the chilled feeling. he cannot smoke due to his asthma as it could induce an attack but even still he enjoys the occassional high. 

[fruit loops are my kink]

 

 

 

That can be said with a LOT of things. See: obesity rate. And maybe you need some sativas for early day sessions? 

 

 

If you don't mind me asking, did you start smoking when you were a teen? I've noticed a lot of my friends who started when they were in their teens, and smoked pretty heavily then, tend to have more paranoia/anxiety issues smoking later in life. Some to the point where they won't even smoke anymore. I have no scientific backing to this, only anecdotal evidence, but it does seem that a lot of the anxiety issues stem from heavy use in teenage years...which would make sense because that's when the brain is developing rapidly. Could be that the paranoia/anxiety of 'getting in trouble' as a teen is a sub-conscience thing that resurfaces later in life?

 

again i dont have any scientific backing for this but in my own personal opinion i dont think teenagers should smoke till they are 21 and 18 at the very most. And i think you could be on to something aswell. I have also noticed similar symptoms in SOME of my own mates who have smoked in their early teens. i didn't smoke personally until i was 18 so i havent had any of those symptoms myself so there might be some logic in your point.

[LeonTheLoner]

Weed is great. Hemp is great. It should be legal. There are so many pros any cons are just about moot, or are.

 

 

Why it should be legal: Medicinal purposes

What people who support it think will happen: Freedom to get high.

What will actually happen: Mass production into paper and rope with almost no possibility of recreational purchasing as well as massive movement by drug cartels to subsidize their depreciated value due to its legalization and massive migrations from Mexico ending the drug war there and filling the United States with drug cartels. Soooooo I'm going to say how it is is probably best.

 

I fail to see how making something regulated and decriminalized would open the doors for cartels in the US. If anything it makes them irrelivent when you can go to your local walgreens and walmart and ask for marijuana. All you have to do to realize this is look back at prohibition. People are going to booze, whether it's against the law or not. The same goes for weed, and it's just as big as beer.

[RelentlessAF]

I fail to see how making something regulated and decriminalized would open the doors for cartels in the US. If anything it makes them irrelivent when you can go to your local walgreens and walmart and ask for marijuana. All you have to do to realize this is look back at prohibition. People are going to booze, whether it's against the law or not. The same goes for weed, and it's just as big as beer.

You only read the last part, marijuana is a cheap way to manufacture paper and rope. Lumber is far more expensive and costs more to manufacture. When weed is legalized it will be mass produced and recreational use will be severely limited. That also means the value will drop due to being a cheap commodity. Cartels will still attempt to sell it as a recreational product since it will be very limited to the public.

[Builder]

Cartels will still attempt to sell it as a recreational product since it will be very limited to the public.

Which is why you legalize it for recreational use and make the cartels irrelevant. Same with all other drugs.

 

Unfortunately we can't educate people enough to make legalization of all substances safe because of course the federal government spending too much money on education is fascist socialism or communism or something...

[zappian]

-snipers-

 

You have probably already seeen this milton friedman video but I will share it for the others.

 

[SSOB]

OP please add a poll: Have you ever used cannabis on a regular basis. ( So not the average, have you tried it.)

[Builder]

You have probably already seeen this milton friedman video but I will share it for the others.

Blocked for copyright...

 

But whatever point it makes I've heard. The pro-legalization side has science, compassion, and rationality. The anti-legalization side has a deep sense of fear and distrust of human decency.

[zappian]

-snipers-

Works fine here.

 

[Builder]

Works fine here.

You must be in a different country. It's blocked in the US.

[Prastupok]

I see your point, but many other drugs dont have many (if any) major medical benefits. for instance CBD oil is currently used to treat some forms of cancer whereas cocaine or LSD wouldn't have that effect so i personally dont think it would go in that direction

 

Cancer patients who need extreme pain relief, just a more obvious use. They are beneficial.