Do you think it is fair for social media companies to ban accounts?

[Wictorian]

Isn’t it the same with a bank taking your money? Especially if you have millions of followers.

[Spotty]

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Do you think it is fair for social media companies to ban accounts?

Yes.

[Skiiwee29]

3 minutes ago, Wictorian said:

Isn’t it the same with a bank taking your money? Especially if you have millions of followers.

100%

[GDRRiley]

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Do you think it is fair for social media companies to ban accounts?

yes

 

4 minutes ago, Wictorian said:

Isn’t it the same with a bank taking your money? Especially if you have millions of followers.

no, you lost your account for acting bad, banks don't take money if you acted bad

[SansVarnic]

8 minutes ago, Wictorian said:

Isn’t it the same with a bank taking your money? 

Yes

 

3 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

no, you lost your account for acting bad, banks don't take money if you acted bad

Ditto

[lewdicrous]

Love how multiple mods are here.

 

Anyway, your comparison is flawed. If a bank were to ban you, then you'd get the chance to take your money with you; they won't just take the money and throw you out.

Also, money in a bank =/= followers on social media.

 

Every institution has rules, if you don't abide by them, then you can whine somewhere else.

[WolframaticAlpha]

Mods, mods everywhere. You asked the wrong crowd . 

 

[Wictorian]

[Zusafek]

Yes.  And as for the bank comparison, it's not a good one to use.

 

A bank is insured.  Social media isn't.  

[Wictorian]

29 minutes ago, IAmNotASmartMan said:

If they really are "followers" then they can follow you to a new platform.

What if all platforms ban you?

[lewdicrous]

1 minute ago, Wictorian said:

What if all platforms ban you?

Then that's your problem, not theirs.

If it gets to that, then you gotta ask why you're getting banned in the first place.

 

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'You' as in the person getting banned, not you specifically.

 

[Sauron]

7 hours ago, Wictorian said:

Isn’t it the same with a bank taking your money?

No. It's the same as the bank returning your money to you and closing your account because you broke the terms of your contract.

1 hour ago, Wictorian said:

What if all platforms ban you?

Then you'd be banned from all of them... I don't see the issue. If these platforms were required to receive some sort of essential service I could see it being a problem but that's not the case. And if your revenue relies on being on these platforms then maybe you should make an effort not to break their rules. What do you think would happen to me if I broke the terms of my contract with my employer?

[kasugatei]

Answer to the question - yes. Comparison with the banks - quite stupid. Social media platforms are more like bars or pubs. If you don’t behave, prepare to be kicked out even if you are their best customer. 

[Wictorian]

8 minutes ago, Sauron said:

No. It's the same as the bank returning your money to you and closing your account because you broke the terms of your contract.

Then you'd be banned from all of them... I don't see the issue. If these platforms were required to receive some sort of essential service I could see it being a problem but that's not the case. And if your revenue relies on being on these platforms then maybe you should make an effort not to break their rules. What do you think would happen to me if I broke the terms of my contract with my employer?

You can’t just fire any employee with no reason. At least not in ever country.

 

Social media companies can ban whoever they want with no reason.

[Sauron]

33 minutes ago, Wictorian said:

You can’t just fire any employee with no reason. At least not in ever country.

33 minutes ago, Wictorian said:

Social media companies can ban whoever they want with no reason.

Who said with no reason?

 

Either way since content creators are not employees of these companies, they absolutely can just ban you for no reason if they want to. If you own a theater it's your right to ban certain performers from it. It may be a dick move in some scenarios but it's not illegal.

[Avocado Diaboli]

35 minutes ago, Wictorian said:

You can’t just fire any employee with no reason. At least not in ever country.

 

Social media companies can ban whoever they want with no reason.

And? I can ban you from my house for no reason. And that's probably the most apt comparison, not a bank, employer or whatever. My house, my rules. If I feel I don't want you in my house, you don't get to be in my house. How would that be unfair?

[tikker]

38 minutes ago, Wictorian said:

Social media companies can ban whoever they want with no reason.

Technically they can, but practically that will have repercussions. Which would reflect badly on them and get them a lot of bad rep. Remember the Quest banning spree that Facebook went on? People didn't just accept that. If any entity, be it Facebook or LTT Forums got trigger happy banning people left and right without reason, people will get upset about it just like people would get upset a bank taking their money.

[lewdicrous]

54 minutes ago, Wictorian said:

Social media companies can ban whoever they want with no reason.

They already tell you that they can, and will, delete your account if you break their rules. Some, like Twitter, also explicitly state that it can be for no reason.

 

Twitter:

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Ending These Terms

[.....We may suspend or terminate your account or cease providing you with all or part of the Services at any time for any or no reason, including, but not limited to, if we reasonably believe: (i) you have violated these Terms or the Twitter Rules and Policies or Periscope Community Guidelines, (ii) you create risk or possible legal exposure for us; (iii) your account should be removed due to unlawful conduct, (iv) your account should be removed due to prolonged inactivity; or (v) our provision of the Services to you is no longer commercially viable......]

Facebook:

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Account suspension or termination

 

[......If we determine that you have clearly, seriously or repeatedly breached our Terms or Policies, including in particular our Community Standards, we may suspend or permanently disable access to your account. We may also suspend or disable your account if you repeatedly infringe other people’s intellectual property rights or where we are required to do so for legal reasons......]

YouTube:

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Terminations and Suspensions by YouTube for Cause

 

[.......YouTube may suspend or terminate your access, your Google account, or your Google account’s access to all or part of the Service if (a) you materially or repeatedly breach this Agreement; (b) we are required to do so to comply with a legal requirement or a court order; or (c) we believe there has been conduct that creates (or could create) liability or harm to any user, other third party, YouTube or our Affiliates.......]

Instagram:

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Content Removal and Disabling or Terminating Your Account

[........We can remove any content or information you share on the Service if we believe that it violates these Terms of Use, our policies (including our Instagram Community Guidelines), or we are permitted or required to do so by law. We can refuse to provide or stop providing all or part of the Service to you (including terminating or disabling your access to the Facebook Products and Facebook Company Products) immediately to protect our community or services, or if you create risk or legal exposure for us, violate these Terms of Use or our policies (including our Instagram Community Guidelines), if you repeatedly infringe other people's intellectual property rights, or where we are permitted or required to do so by law. We can also terminate or change the Service, remove or block content or information shared on our Service, or stop providing all or part of the Service if we determine that doing so is reasonably necessary to avoid or mitigate adverse legal or regulatory impacts on us..........]

 

50 minutes ago, Wictorian said:

You can’t just fire any employee with no reason. At least not in ever country.

This does not apply to you if you don't work for them.

You making an account on a social media platform is not the same as you getting hired by them.

[TheEggComputer]

Yes it is fair.

 

Only thing i would say can make it more fair is clearer terms.

[Beerzerker]

3 hours ago, Wictorian said:

What if all platforms ban you?

That just means somehow, in some way you F'ed up big time and it's all on you......
 

[tkitch]

2 hours ago, Wictorian said:

You can’t just fire any employee with no reason. At least not in ever country.

 

Social media companies can ban whoever they want with no reason.

 

Your account on FB / Twitter has nothing to do with employment.  So this is a stupid analogy.

Also, there's a thing called "At Will Employment" so, they can fire you for any reason they want, barring specific reasons that the Fed has outlawed.  (But, they can still fire you for one of those reasons, as long as the stated reason is not that.  I technically can't fire you for being <Religion>, but I can fire you for being 5 minutes late to work that one day 3 months ago, so you're fired.)

 

  

2 hours ago, Wictorian said:

You can’t just fire any employee with no reason. At least not in ever country.

 

Social media companies can ban whoever they want with no reason.

 

It means you really did something, or a lot of somethings, that were really dumb.

[tikker]

3 hours ago, lewdicrous said:

(v) our provision of the Services to you is no longer commercially viable

I get that they aren't essential needs or services or anything, but blanket statements like should have some justification or regulation attached I feel. Does "commercially viable" have a proper definition? Wouldn't this be akin to LTT forums banning you for never having bought a subscription?

 

[lewdicrous]

34 minutes ago, tikker said:

I get that they aren't essential needs or services or anything, but blanket statements like should have some justification or regulation attached I feel. Does "commercially viable" have a proper definition? Wouldn't this be akin to LTT forums banning you for never having bought a subscription?

There was some commotion about something similar but for YouTube.

 

The rule:

 

Their explanation of what that means:

 

My guess is it's something similar to that.

[Wictorian]

I think my question was kinda dumb, and I have come up with an answer some have already proposed. It is fair for anyone to do anything as long as the public, government and other forces (church for instance) accept it. 
 

Banning accounts is a dick move, I won’t accept it, but they can do it as long as people accept it. Also this has nothing to do with LTT. Or getting other accounts banned.

[tikker]

1 hour ago, Wictorian said:

I think my question was kinda dumb, and I have come up with an answer some have already proposed. It is fair for anyone to do anything as long as the public, government and other forces (church for instance) accept it. 
 

Banning accounts is a dick move, I won’t accept it, but they can do it as long as people accept it. Also this has nothing to do with LTT. Or getting other accounts banned.

What is and is not fair game essentially boils down to what we consider normal. That's ethics for you though. There are many examples of things we used to think normal and fair that we look down on now. Generally "my game, my rules" is a fair argument, but once you start offering a public service it's no longer truly your game.