RUMOR: NVIDIA Reportedly Cancels Launch of RTX 3080 20 GB, RTX 3070 16 GB

[Pickles von Brine]

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Fresh reports floating in the rumor mill's circulatory system claim that NVIDIA backtracked on its plans to launch higher VRAM capacity versions of their RTX 3080 and the (in the meantime, delayed) RTX 3070. These cards launched with 10 GB VRAM for the RTX 3080 and 8 GB VRAM for the RTX 3070, with reports circulating as early as their announcement that there would be double-capacity versions hitting the market just a few months later - specifically, in December of this year. Videocardz, however, claims that these long-rumored 20 GB and 16 GB SKUs have now been canceled by NVIDIA, who sent this news to its AIB partners - and the usage of canceled, not postponed, is perfunctory.

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https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-allegedly-cancels-geforce-rtx-3080-20gb-and-rtx-3070-16gb
Not sure how I feel about this but I guess it is not a surprise. I really think that nvidia was a bit ambitious with their Ampere cards. Maybe this could also explain why there is a such a shortage as well. Who knows. 

[FeIIex]

Chances of going fully team red for build next month are even higher if this is true

[Tika]

Just now, FeIIex said:

Chances of going fully team red for build next month are even higher if this is true

I really wish AMD could figure out a way to support CUDA, otherwise I have to go Nvidia. 

[Tika]

10 minutes ago, Pickles - One of the Jar said:

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https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-allegedly-cancels-geforce-rtx-3080-20gb-and-rtx-3070-16gb
Not sure how I feel about this but I guess it is not a surprise. I really think that nvidia was a bit ambitious with their Ampere cards. Maybe this could also explain why there is a such a shortage as well. Who knows. 

I guess the 8gb 3060 was clucked too? Or are they planning for a base 8gb model.

[Random_Person1234]

I think there was also a rumor circulating that Nvidia are going to release cards next year on TSMC 7nm.

[Brooksie359]

They canceled the launch of cards that were never confirmed in the first place? Thats not canceled that is just not doing it. 

[CTR640]

What's the real reason behind too ambitious? Doesn't this mean AMD won't be much of a treat anymore?

 

But then again, who the fuck wants to buy the 3090 if the 3080 would have 20GB.

[VeganJoy]

5 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

They canceled the launch of cards that were never confirmed in the first place? Thats not canceled that is just not doing it. 

5 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

What's the real reason behind too ambitious? Doesn't this mean AMD won't be much of a treat anymore?

 

But then again, who the fuck wants to buy the 3090 if the 3080 would have 20GB.

exactly my thought process throughout this whole thing lol, even with all the leaks this would have made absolutely zero sense. 20gb of vram is completely ridiculous for gaming purposes, and that gets close enough to a 3090 that a 20gb 3080 would need to be 1300 bucks or something to not infringe on its sales. and 16gb of vram on an xx60/xx70 sku? those cards probably wont be powerful enough to leverage that kind of capacity anyways

 

[Pickles von Brine]

2 hours ago, Tika said:

I really wish AMD could figure out a way to support CUDA, otherwise I have to go Nvidia. 

That would never happen. CUDA is nvidia proprietary IP. 

[Bombastinator]

3 hours ago, Tika said:

I really wish AMD could figure out a way to support CUDA, otherwise I have to go Nvidia. 

AMD has their own math stuff.  Apps have to support it though.  AMD generally has a version of whatever special system NVIDIA comes up with.  Not always, but most of the time.  They’re not good at making support software or getting tools out for them though so they often languish.    Iirc this was one of the the things that made the mining craze go bang.  Someone wrote a miner that would run using that AMD stuff.   Apple uses the AMD stuff.  It’s why graphic designers were putting vega56 cards in egpu boxes.  The cards were too fast for the thunderbolt connection but they had the math coprocessors

Edited October 22, 2020 by Bombastinator

[Letgomyleghoe.]

I though these were pointless anyway as the 3070 16gb would probably land in the 3080 price bracket while the 3080 20gb would land in the 3090 price range. So why not just bay a 3080 over a 3070 16gb or a 3090 over a 3080 20gb. The 3070 16gb kinda makes sense if you just need vram on a budget but the 3080 20gb is pointless if it lands in the 1300-1400 dollar range. As for 100-200 dollars you can get 10% more performance and 4 more gigs of vram. So these cards will just exist in this niche market holding stock for the cards that people actually want. 

[RejZoR]

It seems like they canceled the entire RTX 3000 series lol XD

[Random_Person1234]

This is AMD's time to shine.

[Briggsy]

If there was 10GB 3080's actually available for people to buy, then you could put the tinfoil hat on and say it's a marketing ploy by Nvidia to discourage anyone that was holding out for a 20GB card to give up and just buy a 10GB card instead. That of course isn't the case, so I'm not sure there's any 4D chess moves going on here.

 

There was also a rumor that Nvidia would have piles of 3080's available in November or December, which conflicts with Nvidia themselves saying supply will be short until 2021. 

 

But, it was never Nvidia who were rumored to be releasing 20GB and 16GB variants, just murmurings coming out of AIB's about custom models with double the memory. So all this is is a rumor about a rumor.

[Soppro]

35 minutes ago, Abyssal Radon said:

Did nVidia actually come out and say that they were planning on launching 3080 20GB and 3070 16GB flavors this coming December? If they didn't, then it's not cancelling. The word cancel is used fairly disingenuously, thus I think I'm going to have to press X to down this shit lol.

Yeah, everything about 3080 20GB and 3070 16GB were all pure speculation. Nvidia has never said whether they'll launch such models, and until they say anything about them, I'm just going to assume they never existed in the first place 

[Master Disaster]

55 minutes ago, Abyssal Radon said:

Did nVidia actually come out and say that they were planning on launching 3080 20GB and 3070 16GB flavors this coming December? If they didn't, then it's not cancelling. The word cancel is used fairly disingenuously, thus I think I'm going to have to press X to down this shit lol.

Nah, you just misunderstand.

 

The rumour is suggesting they have cancelled them entirely, not just postponed the launch. We pretty much know they were coming since we have seen lineups listing them from 5 or 6 different AIBs.

 

18 minutes ago, Soppro said:

Yeah, everything about 3080 20GB and 3070 16GB were all pure speculation. Nvidia has never said whether they'll launch such models, and until they say anything about them, I'm just going to assume they never existed in the first place 

Speculation? No. Conjecture? Yes.

 

We have seen lineups from Asus, MSI, Gigabyte and more recently Silverstone listed them as supported on their PSUs. These cards were coming. The December release date was a rumour but the cards existing was based on information we have.

[Drama Lama]

I really planned to buy the 3070 16gb variant

why Nvidia? why?

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, Master Disaster said:

Nah, you just misunderstand.

 

The rumour is suggesting they have cancelled them entirely, not just postponed the launch. We pretty much know they were coming since we have seen lineups listing them from 5 or 6 different AIBs.

So there is implication by rumor that Nvidia got a look at RDNA2 and ran away.  Implication by rumor has been weaponized and gotten to be way too big a thing in my country.  It’s gotten so that people make up ridiculous BS, make an implication with it, wait for that implication to become assumed, and use it to create a new rumor.  It’s this game of vicious telephone.   There’s a certain point to putting ones foot down about such things. 

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

3080 literally has missing solders 

[Master Disaster]

13 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

So there is implication by rumor that Nvidia got a look at RDNA2 and ran away.  Implication by rumor has been weaponized and gotten to be way too big a thing in my country.  It’s gotten so that people make up ridiculous BS, make an implication with it, wait for that implication to become assumed, and use it to create a new rumor.  It’s this game of vicious telephone.   There’s a certain point to putting ones foot down about such things. 

What?

 

No, the rumour suggests Nvidia are having supply chain issues with GDDR6X. Nobody (to my knowledge at least) has said anything about Nvidia running away from AMD.

[Bombastinator]

8 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

What?

 

No, the rumour suggests Nvidia are having supply chain issues with GDDR6X. Nobody (to my knowledge at least) has said anything about Nvidia running away from AMD.

Exactly.  Which is why it’s a problem.

[Master Disaster]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

Exactly.  Which is why it’s a problem.

I'm sorry but I'm honestly confused by what you mean. Could you explain it please?

 

I should add that I don't really believe that reason. The 3070 doesn't even use GDDR6X so why cancel that? IMO Nvidia have simply postponed them for a while so they can focus on getting the current SKUs in stock and available to everyone. Jen-Hsun said recently that it might be early 2021 before they get the current cards readily available so what is the point in launching new SKUs before then? I'm gonna guess that we will see them in Q1 or Q2 2021.

[Loote]

Is there no way to get only half of the additional memory? I guess going for 15GB in 3080 would mean ending up with 75% of the memory bus width, ending up with worse performance than the smaller card?

 

I believe some of this is purposefully planned by manufacturers, 6 core CPUs being best bang/$ so when 8 core become needed because of new consoles you have to upgrade, insufficient GPU memory, it sucks when people can buy hardware and use it for years without encountering major bottlenecks.

 

1 minute ago, Master Disaster said:

it might be early 2021 before they get the current cards readily available so what is the point in launching new SKUs before then?

If memory is the problem, than yes, you can produce only half as many of the bigger versions, if something else is(namely GPU core?), then bigger memory only gives more choice. There is a conspiracy theory that Nvidia has stocked on GDDR6X making it hard for others to get supply for 30 series GPUs and plans to release what they have in November. I'm interested in seeing if there's anything to it.

[Bombastinator]

4 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I'm sorry but I'm honestly confused by what you mean. Could you explain it please?

 

I should add that I don't really believe that reason. The 3070 doesn't even use GDDR6X so why cancel that? IMO Nvidia have simply postponed them for a while so they can focus on getting the current SKUs in stock and available to everyone. Jen-Hsun said recently that it might be early 2021 before they get the current cards readily available so what is the point in launching new SKUs before then? I'm gonna guess that we will see them in Q1 or Q2 2021.

I was pointing out that the implication of the rumor is even more tenuous that the rumor but it won’t stop it from being built on.  Makes an argument for the taken position of “it hasn’t happened till it happens”.  It’s a reasonable attitude to take.  Not the only one, but not unreasonable.  It’s got it’s own problems.  It can be abused too.  The very existence of the 16gb 3070 could have been BS the whole time.  If this is so, the rumor of it being removed is impacted BS.

[SupaKomputa]

4 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

AMD has their own math stuff.  Apps have to support it though.  AMD generally has a version of whatever special system NVIDIA comes up with.  

AMD usually support non proprietary open based software like OpenCL / OpenGL instead of making their own CUDA. Example, Freesync which AMD chose to make it open / non restrictive (even Nvidia can use it).