Nvidia 3080/3090 shortage expected to last until 2021

[Random_Person1234]

Summary

Nvidia's CEO expects the shortage of RTX 3080's and 3090's to last until early 2021. Jensen also said that the issue was with demand and not supply.

 

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If you thought it would become easier to purchase an Nvidia RTX 3080 or 3090 by the end of the year, you might be wrong. And it doesn't look good for the RTX 3070, either. Today Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang revealed that the company expects the crushing shortages of RTX 3080 and 3090 graphics cards to persist through the end of 2020

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"The 3080 and 3090 have a demand issue, not a supply issue," said Huang. "The demand issue is that it is much much greater than we expected — and we expected really a lot."

My thoughts

This is unfortunate news to all who are waiting for a 3080 or 3090. Also I don't see how Nvidia could have underestimated demand this much, as it seemed obvious that a lot of people would be buying these cards.

 

Sources

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-ceo-geforce-rtx-3080-and-3090-shortages-to-last-until-2021

[Bombastinator]

11 minutes ago, Random_Person1234 said:

Summary

Nvidia's CEO expects the shortage of RTX 3080's and 3090's to last until early 2021. Jenson also said that the issue was with demand and not supply.

 

Quotes

My thoughts

This is unfortunate news to all who are waiting for a 3080 or 3090. Also I don't see how Nvidia could have underestimated demand this much, as it seemed obvious that a lot of people would be buying these cards.

 

Sources

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-ceo-geforce-rtx-3080-and-3090-shortages-to-last-until-2021

If there are people waiting for the 3080 and 3090 it’s not demand by definition. 

[ouroesa]

I like how they play it off as a demand and not supply issue. They are directly correlated.

Next time I drive over the speed limit and get pulled over, I'll tell the officer that the issue is with their limits, not my speed. 

 

 

[Bombastinator]

Just now, ouroesa said:

I like how they play it off as a demand and not supply issue. They are directly correlated.

Next time I drive over the speed limit and get pulled over, I'll tell the officer that the issue is with their limits, not my speed. 

 

 

One trick ive seen is to get a vehicle so old it doesn’t have a speedometer.  Common one with vintage motorcycles.

[AlwaysWong]

Jack up the price here we go

[Albal_156]

I guess they figured in pandemic there would be less demand. Guess people wanted to use their Stimulus Cheques for something huh?

[Random_Person1234]

4 minutes ago, Albal_156 said:

I guess they figured in pandemic there would be less demand. Guess people wanted to use their Stimulus Cheques for something huh?

I would have thought the opposite. With more people gaming due to being stuck at home in the pandemic, more people would want to upgrade their PCs, which would cause higher demand.

[Tan3l6]

Great news for AMD

[Bombastinator]

Just now, Random_Person1234 said:

I would have thought the opposite. With more people gaming due to being stuck at home in the pandemic, more people would want to upgrade their PCs, which would cause higher demand.

Well that’s what did wind up happening anyway.  Hindsight is always 20/20

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, Tan3l6 said:

Great news for AMD

Which makes me question it’s veracity.  Just because a leader say something public ally to someone else doesn’t mean they were who the message was actually for.

[Prodigy_Smit]

1 hour ago, Random_Person1234 said:

Nvidia's CEO expects the shortage of RTX 3080's and 3090's to last until early 2021

Not really surprised by this.

 

1 hour ago, Random_Person1234 said:

Jensen also said that the issue was with demand and not supply.

This is bs.

[poochyena]

43 minutes ago, ouroesa said:

I like how they play it off as a demand and not supply issue. They are directly correlated.

i don't get what you mean. The issue here is demand exceeded expectations, not that production was lower than expected. Demand is the issue, not supply.

[Maticks]

they didnt look at the sales numbers of the 10X series see that the 20X series only had half that number and not think, geez maybe those 10X series people would upgrade?

This is complete BS, they're not ramping up production waiting to see what AMD have so they don't end up building a heap of card stock for 10G cards only to release a 20G 3080 and be left holding a heap of 10G card stock to discount.

Nvidia isn't a multi Billion $ company who's forgotten about its supply chain.. they just don't want to be left holding the bag.

There will also be those that will cancel their card orders if the AMD offering is decent.

 

[RejZoR]

I wonder how many cards they tape out on daily basis. If we look at one vendor like ASUS, do they make like 10 cards a day or something? What's the production volume for shortages to be so insane?! You'd think so many AIB's making hundreds of cards an hour would be something it's done today. Apparently not the case...

[Stormseeker9]

44 minutes ago, poochyena said:

i don't get what you mean. The issue here is demand exceeded expectations, not that production was lower than expected. Demand is the issue, not supply.

Uuh... nvidia either drastically underestimated, has a supply issue or ... reallly the ‘demand’ is the issue. What a dumb comment from a CEO. Demand is what ones want, this way they also know prices artificially inflate due to the S/D situation. 
 

He should have wrote something along;

‘due to an overwhelming demand, our supply can’t keep up at the moment.’

 

not demand is the issue... poor poor 

[Maticks]

15 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

I wonder how many cards they tape out on daily basis. If we look at one vendor like ASUS, do they make like 10 cards a day or something? What's the production volume for shortages to be so insane?! You'd think so many AIB's making hundreds of cards an hour would be something it's done today. Apparently not the case...

I would say the 3080 would be the most popular card not the 3090. it would be fair to say with a 3080 20G model already leaked, that is going to have something to do with not going ham on 10G production. The lack of supply at launch plus the shipping issues at the moment with the virus. likely all impacting.

[Loote]

29 minutes ago, Maticks said:

they didnt look at the sales numbers of the 10X series see that the 20X series only had half that number and not think, geez maybe those 10X series people would upgrade?

It was even one of their marketing points, that it's time to upgrade from Pascal.

3080 has 1/3 bigger die than 1080Ti and over 2x the die of 1080, they also use the new and shiny GDDR6X which may or may not be a problem, whatever the real number is, producing 3080s requires at least double the resources 1080s needed, which is not great.

Listening to Moore's Law is Not Dead podcasts recently I am(again...) hopeful that AMD will mix things up giving Nvidia headaches not about how to produce enough cards, but how to stay competitive and still make money, though I guess getting supply in the latter half of December is basically 2021 anyway.

[Bombastinator]

A marketing point is by definition “it is to my advantage for you to believe that...”

[poochyena]

24 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

nvidia either drastically underestimated

this, this is exactly what they said happened.

[Ankerson]

Bottom line here is they blew the release bigtime. 

 

Not even remotely close to enough cards released to even come close to even normal demand.

 

And there hasn't been any sort of indication of them ramping up production either to meet demand.

 

Yet another major failure.. 

 

If there was the stores would have gotten the word and would be doing preorders because the wait would be all that long.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dredgy]

Not surprised, was planning for it since before release. When 2080Ti was released it was probably 5 months before it was reliably available.

[porina]

I love how some think predicting the future is easy. It is not.

 

On the "why not ramp up production" part, again that is not like turning on the tap. Companies would have to forecast their manufacturing early on. Even without the GPU, nvidia could provide partners with design info so they know what components they need and order it in advance. To get components in volume at a good price, you typically end up with relatively long lead times, potentially months. You don't want to order excess components over your need, because if you don't use them, you either bin them or have to store it, which is a cost either way. It may be possible to get it quicker if you pay more, but that means either you make less profit or increased user pricing. And this isn't just for one component, you have to do it for every single used component on the design. Problems getting a single one means you can't complete. Alternates may be available in some situations. They will have an approved parts list so they may have alternatives to look at, but doesn't resolve the rest of the problems.

[X-System]

Well, I'll wait until it's available. For now, I'll use my RTX 2080 Super to play Cyberpunk 2077 when it will release.

[leadeater]

4 minutes ago, porina said:

On the "why not ramp up production" part, again that is not like turning on the tap. Companies would have to forecast their manufacturing early on

Also makes no difference if Nvidia produces 10x the number of GPU dies if their FE partner and AIBs can't actually makes graphics cards at the same scale. But that is actually lesser of the problem compared to ordering the fab space to make the dies.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

eh... at this point i rather wait for 3080Ti next year.