cw: politics Hello MB my old friend - Proposed Bill would require backdoors in any device with over 1GB of storage.

[rcmaehl]

Summary:

An even newer bill than EARN-IT, dubbed the "Lawful Access to Encrypted Data Act of 2020" will require a backdoor in any device with over 1GB of storage.

 

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The proposed EARN IT Act set off a firestorm of controversy... in early March. A new proposal makes its terms look tame and reasonable by comparison. The “Lawful Access to Encrypted Data Act of 2020”. The new anti-encryption law would require that a backdoor be placed in nearly every electronic device that has at least 1 GB of memory and all encrypted services. It is sponsored by...one of the primary sponsors of the EARN IT Act, it begins to look more like an attempt to make the original proposal sound like a comparatively reasonable compromise. It calls for a law enforcement backdoor to be mandatory in any and all forms of encryption, in both hardware and software. Any sort of device that has at least 1 GB of storage capacity [and] At the software end, everything from web browsers to cloud services would have to offer similar access. The terms would apply to any software publisher that has over a million users, or any hardware manufacturer that sells over a million units, in any single year since the start of 2016. The bill is thus technically not looking to end all encryption entirely, but it is clearly trying to make it impossible for major hardware and software publishers. The bill would also make it much easier for courts to issue a court order. Any judge would be forced to issue the warrant so long as the law enforcement agency can demonstrate “reasonable grounds". Given all of the problems and contradictions this anti-encryption law would create, it seems unlikely to make its way through Congress. The real concern is that it could somehow be used to improve the chances of passage of the EARN IT Act.

 

My thoughts

It looks like US politicians are continuing to try to force backdoors into as many devices as possible. While this bill may actually be easier to bypass (Also See: Shell Companies), it's also significantly worse. Thankfully I believe that the tech companies have enough political lobbying pressure (fortunately/unfortunately) that neither this nor EARN-IT will pass.

 

Sources
CPO (quote source)

CNET

[rcmaehl]

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[CephDigital]

That... Is definately worrying... I'm not from the US but I do hope this doesn't pass. I really wish politicians realise that you can't put a backdoor in for one group of people and not have others use it as well.

Also, why 1GB? I'm not aware of any devices that could have less than that in storage. Maybe smartwatches? Idk. Just say all devices at that point.

[AlTech]

Guys, I have a simple solution.

 

Don’t use eMMC or UFS storage in smartphones. Use Micro SDcards for storage instead. 
 

In the box of a phone include a microSD with the OS and everything already on it and then plug it in when you receive the device.

 

Problem solved .

[rcmaehl]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

Guys, I have a simple solution.

 

Don’t use eMMC or UFS storage in smartphones. Use Micro SDcards for storage instead. 
 

In the box of a phone include a microSD with the OS and everything already on it and then plug it in when you receive the device.

 

Problem solved .

Can't backdoor the storage if the storage is too dumb to be backdoored

[2FA]

Ignoring the partisan support, there is a opposing bill that also aims to fight child pornography and exploitation without breaking encryption. It's not very publicized, unfortunately.

 

 

[GDRRiley]

8 minutes ago, 2FA said:

Ignoring the partisan support, there is a opposing bill that also aims to fight child pornography and exploitation without breaking encryption. It's not very publicized, unfortunately

its not a very good bill.

[Arika]

isn't this just this?

 

 

[Trik'Stari]

The only way this bill should be accepted is if it applies to members of congress, law enforcement, the executive branch, and SCOTUS. No exceptions, no allowances, no dispensations, all or nothing.

 

End of story. End of discussion, full fucking stop. I don't care which party or politicians support it.

 

We, the people, should absolutely NOT tolerate ANY form of "exceptions" for members of government, of any law proposed.

"BuT iT's A nAtIoNaL sEcUrItY iSsUe!"

 

Then it's important enough to apply to everyone, end of fucking discussion. The reason being that it would then enable some rando hacker to expose all of congresses personal communications, which would result in internet privacy becoming a human right with alarming speed.

 

There is not much more to be said here. Fuck this bill and anyone who signs off on it.

[rcmaehl]

1 minute ago, Arika S said:

isn't this just this?

 

 

No. This is a significantly worse bill than EARN-IT. 

[Trik'Stari]

20 minutes ago, 2FA said:

Ignoring the partisan support, there is a opposing bill that also aims to fight child pornography and exploitation without breaking encryption. It's not very publicized, unfortunately.

 

 

Please link a source, so it can be spread.

[FeIIex]

US Gov, just stop with this nonsense.

 

Please.

[2FA]

4 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Please link a source, so it can be spread.

I did but here it is bare anyways https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-cybersecurity-202/2020/05/07/the-cybersecurity-202-democrats-push-a-bill-to-combat-child-pornography-without-undermining-encryption/5eb31bd688e0fa42c41b3dda/

[Arika]

1 minute ago, rcmaehl said:

No. This is a significantly worse bill than EARN-IT. 

so it's basically turning into

 

*device exists*

US Government: WE NEED A BACKDOOR!!!!!

 

So glad the US is trying to hard to make sure China can't spy on it's citizens, so instead they are going to just spy on the entire world....it's national security after all...or what ever other buzzword they like to use

[Trik'Stari]

Just now, 2FA said:

I did but here it is bare anyways https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-cybersecurity-202/2020/05/07/the-cybersecurity-202-democrats-push-a-bill-to-combat-child-pornography-without-undermining-encryption/5eb31bd688e0fa42c41b3dda/

If you can put it through an archival site so the rest of us can bypass the paywall, that'd be great.

[2FA]

8 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

If you can put it through an archival site so the rest of us can bypass the paywall, that'd be great.

EDIT: sorry that didn't work either

 

EDIT2: try this https://eshoo.house.gov/media/press-releases/eshoo-wyden-and-colleagues-introduce-legislation-fight-online-child

[rcmaehl]

5 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

If you can put it through an archival site so the rest of us can bypass the paywall, that'd be great.

The Cybersecurity 202_ Democrats push a bill to combat child pornography without undermining encryption - The Washington Post.pdf
 

 

[Trik'Stari]

3 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

The Cybersecurity 202_ Democrats push a bill to combat child pornography without undermining encryption - The Washington Post.pdf 258.33 kB · 0 downloads
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I see you too are a man of culture.

 

Archive. fucking. everything.

 

Edit: I must resist commenting further on that proposed bill, in the light of....recent nation-wide events.

 

I agree with the bill, but dear god, the irony.

[Doobeedoo]

It's for better for the people. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

/s

[Nena Trinity]

Alex Jones was right! O3O

[Drama Lama]

PC:  * laughs in upgradedable storage *

[Drama Lama]

But honestly it’s not like weren’t any backdoors before 

[RejZoR]

And people think China is bad. Look at the Murican assholes. Bill after bill of ridiculous out of touch laws that always use the same "think of the children" or "muh terrorism" nonsense as an excuse. Yawn. In moments like this I'm glad I'm not an American. Only problem with this crap is that it affects all of us given how many companies are from US and they must comply with this garbage if it goes through. Which is why all of us are shaking with heads and saying "what the f**k" America?!

[paddy-stone]

Maybe we should see the return of "build it yourself kits" or "modular devices" then... that'd technically be assembled by a single person and have 0 storage, so not fit the technical applications of this bill.

[wall03]

12 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

I see you too are a man of culture.

 

Archive. fucking. everything.

 

Edit: I must resist commenting further on that proposed bill, in the light of....recent nation-wide events.

 

I agree with the bill, but dear god, the irony.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200709140225/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-cybersecurity-202/2020/05/07/the-cybersecurity-202-democrats-push-a-bill-to-combat-child-pornography-without-undermining-encryption/5eb31bd688e0fa42c41b3dda/