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Linus makes it look and sound easy to find old workstations and parts, and maybe it is where he lives and in the states. But I dont know who to contact to try and get useless, or even broken laptops or computers. I mostly want them for practice in putting together and taking apart, but for functioning ancient things I would try to learn Linux on them/

How do you guys go about trying to find old computers and parts?

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How do you guys go about trying to find old computers and parts?

eBay, Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace. There are equivalent classified sites that are popular in other locations (Gumtree I know is popular in Australia and I think somewhere else), but they're generally the best ways to find used old hardware in my experience. 

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1 minute ago, RONOTHAN## said:

eBay, Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace. There are equivalent classified sites that are popular in other locations (Gumtree I know is popular in Australia and I think somewhere else), but they're generally the best ways to find used old hardware in my experience. 

Yeah I've tried that, its barren in my area. how far do you usually drive? shipping costs are too crazy for me right now

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Yeah I've tried that, its barren in my area. how far do you usually drive? shipping costs are too crazy for me right now

I'm in the US near a metropolitan area, so I rarely have to drive more than 30 minutes to get something. A lot of things I've bought were within 15 minutes of me, with only a handful of my more crazy deals being 1-2 hours away. 

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4 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I'm in the US near a metropolitan area, so I rarely have to drive more than 30 minutes to get something. A lot of things I've bought were within 15 minutes of me, with only a handful of my more crazy deals being 1-2 hours away. 

those are some of the positives of living in those areas, there's no computers on any of those sites within 50km and only a couple ok deals within 100

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those are some of the positives of living in those areas, there's no computers on any of those sites within 50km and only a couple ok deals within 100

I won't deny that, though usually eBay is still an option and you can usually find something that doesn't have ridiculous shipping prices. 

 

If you just want something cheap though, sometimes you can go to an electronics recycler near you and see if you can snag some hardware that's destined to be recycled. It's worth calling one up at least.

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1 minute ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I won't deny that, though usually eBay is still an option and you can usually find something that doesn't have ridiculous shipping prices. 

 

If you just want something cheap though, sometimes you can go to an electronics recycler near you and see if you can snag some hardware that's destined to be recycled. It's worth calling one up at least.

I did this the other day and am waiting on a response from my email. they are so weird though. the lady faked an automated message and directed me to an email they haven't responded to lol. thanks for the advice

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7 hours ago, Skelitor said:

Linus makes it look and sound easy to find old workstations and parts, and maybe it is where he lives and in the states. But I dont know who to contact to try and get useless, or even broken laptops or computers. I mostly want them for practice in putting together and taking apart, but for functioning ancient things I would try to learn Linux on them/

How do you guys go about trying to find old computers and parts?

"Dumpster Diving"

or go to places that sell them. Like I kid you not at least one of the places selling these is just a DHL/Fedex/UPS drop off point. 

 

If you work for a computer store/best buy it's also possible to just take things that the store wants to get rid of and doesn't want to pay to dispose of. Data centers are another option, since customers will abandon hardware.

 

Most of the stuff you find on eBay, when you see a seller with dozens of the same item, basically bought it from a bankruptcy auction/estate sale or government auction.

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Local governments, public libraries, and other municipal programs will sometimes auction off old hardware. Continuing the government theme, sometimes police stations will auction off impounded computers just like they do for cars. 

Dumpster diving is your best bet, though. 

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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5 hours ago, da na said:

Local governments, public libraries, and other municipal programs will sometimes auction off old hardware. Continuing the government theme, sometimes police stations will auction off impounded computers just like they do for cars. 

Dumpster diving is your best bet, though. 

How do you usually find government auctions? any tips on dumpster diving? Thanks for the suggestions

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How do you usually find government auctions? any tips on dumpster diving? Thanks for the suggestions

I personally use the site GovDeals, sometimes a local auction is mentioned on the news though.

 

For dumpster diving, success varies. Had the most luck behind schools (universities) and large organizations. Just be aware of laws - even though it's in the trash, dumpster diving can be considered property theft under certain circumstances. Be careful, if someone tells you not to touch a dumpster, don't.

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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I personally use the site GovDeals, sometimes a local auction is mentioned on the news though.

 

For dumpster diving, success varies. Had the most luck behind schools (universities) and large organizations. Just be aware of laws - even though it's in the trash, dumpster diving can be considered property theft under certain circumstances. Be careful, if someone tells you not to touch a dumpster, don't.

Yeah its legal here so long as its not on private property so I'm mostly good. Thanks for all the help, the site looks promising

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Drop round at 9.00 a.m. tomorrow and you can have a few computers.

 

You are just round the corner from here... aren't you? You didn't say you weren't.

 

And yes, to make old computers fast and usable install Linux on an SSD. Over 50 laptops and over 60 desktops done and now in use around here.

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No one is going to ship old hardware to you unless they are in the business of parting out computers.

 

Contact all kind if companies' IT departments or IT companies. I bet they have to get rid of tons of old PCs. You will have to pick them up. Just be prepared that many will use proprietary parts like Dell. So the tinkering will be less joyful. There also may be electronics recycling companies. 

 

At my work I always see tons of old PCs IT gets rid of. I bet they pay a recycler to take them. We are barred from taking them and it would be considered theft. But I bet if you talk to the right person, they are happy to get rid of them. 

 

I have two 6000 series quad-core HP PCs with 16GB at home from my wife's company. They probably are worth something, but no one bothers researching how to sell them. They basically just give them to recycling. I'm sure if you look hard enough you find similar.

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I'd go for an oral message. Just get off of someone in need and the whispers will spread. For starters you  go fo any of the local marketplaces, be it online or offline, some pole hoardings and leaflets maybe? 

Also, if you go to a school or a mayoral building in your vicinity I'm sure they have warehouses full of spare old PCs and parts, just waiting to be taken by companies that have contracts on such demeanor. 

Just remember that in that last case you're obliged to phiscally damage any harddrive that comes with a PC for data protection. 

No wonder people mostly sell their PCs short of HDD storage.

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